Hey all! I was able to cover half of this before work, this was Matt Slicks single verse he put forward, from my own website (still working on it) Enjoy and give me some feedback! http://atouchoftruth.webnode.com/l/matt-slicks-wrench-throwing/
Good job! I like it! ..seems so simple, doesn't it? Just go back to the original words.. without the pre and non-Christian beliefs, become assumptions, of the culture at the time the bible translating occurred.. And - accept what God's promise/word says - as You pointed out "savior of the world" - "If I be lifted up from the Earth" (on a cross) "I will draw aLL to me." Man.. we SO underestimate He who created (programmed!) the universe..
Hello Mrome48,
Nicely done website!
I remember seeing this article by Matt Slick a couple of years ago, I think your replies are right on.
I went back to his website to see if he had changed....NO!
He's a tough nut to crack. If he ever does come around he would really have a good testimony. All we can do is pray for him.
p.s. I enjoy finding out a little about people on the "Welcome Central" board. Maybe you could make a short (or long) post. This 'tent' is full of amazing people!
Pat
Love that you try to reason with logical mankind Mrome48 ...
Baby steps , we can see that leaps of faith are a no no .But here is a leap of faith answer for all the Matt Slicks of the universe
Gods wisdom is impossible to fathom with mans logic ..
Only the Spirit of God is the everlasting eternal and absolute .
Like a circle , the Beginning and End are always ''connected '' and in its center is everything past , present and future , was is and will be all in all ..
Helpful and very simple understanding come for many of us when we realized a few things and verses that cannot be anything but Gods WORD and hearing it speak in your new ears to hear His Voice and LIVE and new heart to even begin to understand it because you are made by His Spirit of Life and new creature in Christ , this is How the pure in heart will see God also with those new eyes to SEE HIM , because it a'' Holy Spirit '' of Love and Fire .
God is described with the purest forms of LIFE
There is nothing existing outside HIM period , ever .
Christ is the new and incorruptible name every creature made new ,BY HIM ,will be named , everyone will have this new name because they also bore the old corruptible name of Adam [every name under heaven ] every earthly sensual and devilish name was purposed in God , for His glory , truth is made known by the wisdom of God as the lies are revealed by fire and the Light of that fire consuming it .
The simple scripture in Adam all , not some , not a few , not many , but ALL , from the beginning to the end [a circle of life and death ] and made new within this circle of SPIRITUAL LIFE .
Everything within this circle seems like chaos and separating , and dividing and ending and beginning and making new as the old changes and dissipates the Love and Fire consumes it ALL ...
and in CHRIST shall be made ALIVE , '' this anointing ''of Gods Holy Spirit is the substance of faith [ In the Lord Jesus Christ ] that sets the whole world on fire , the incorruptible seed , Word of God / Truth setting the whole world free
Just as the scriptures states we all would be as Sodom and Gomorrah unless God had left us the incorruptible seed / or substance of faith , from this very seed or Word of God being the name the Lord Jesus Christ by which there is no name UNDER heaven by which you must be saved ,,,,,
but in HEAVEN THE NAME IS THE WORD OF GOD ... the revealing , unveiling or revelation of Christ says so
Rev 19
...12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. 14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses....
the Lord Jesus Christ is also descriptive of a flame and blaze of fire , He come to baptize the world with Holy Spirit & fire
to dry up the dragons flood that the earth helped the Woman /body of Christ/ true church , by swallowing up this flood of lies and only the Fire of Gods jealous Love will consume it all ..
So to me the book is a testimony and witness of the Lord Jesus Christ and how the WORD & SPIRIT of GOD change and make everything new and purified by His glorious presence !
So the big picture is GOD really will be all in all 1 Cor 15 The Order of Resurrection , because the LIFE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT really will bring new Life back again from the dead ..
...27For "God has put everything under His feet." Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.
28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
To believe God is everything and to hear His Voice over everyone else is key , there is a written word and it is called dead letters because the Spirit is not breathed into them yet , some are these whom still teach death with the carnal mind to this day and yet they also will be changed , there is the hearing Word those that hear His voice will live ,
and the Living word that is Christ doing exactly what HE promised to do for the whole world ... the Christ in you is the hope of Glory to God the Father of all and in you all :HeartThrob: LOVE COVERS THE MULTITUDE OF SIN AND ERRORS !!!! GOD IS LOVE &FIRE that is how He will make it pure and holy by being in His presence .
Some scriptures that testifies to this truth , hear His voice and live ..
Eph 4 Unity in the Body
...5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7Now to each one of us grace has been given according to the measure of the gift of Christ....
Deuteronomy 6:4
"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
Malachi 2:10
"Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Romans 11:36
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
1 Corinthians 12:6
There are different ways of working, but the same God works all things in all men.
God subjected us all to evil , being planted in it , so the good and perfect [seed of GODS WORD ] can rise up from within it By the eternal Spirit of Life itself , it will come forth
The Resurrection and life EVERYTHING GOD purposes will flourish completely as He promises it will do , He does it and will be glorified because of it . no one or thing can stop Him , striving against God is foolishness .
Isiah 45 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other,
7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these.
8"Drip down, O heavens, from above, And let the clouds pour down righteousness;
Let the earth open up and salvation bear fruit, And righteousness spring up with it. I, the LORD, have created it....
What an awesome GOD we serve!!!!!!!!!! :dsunny: :HeartThrob:
ps the false christs are not anointed of God or are they? Do they serve God in the sense of this , that ALL the scriptures must be fulfilled , are they purposed in God only to be changed by Him in a twinkling of an eye ?
Oh death where is your sting ?
Rev 21 A New Heaven and a New Earth
...3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:
"Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them.
They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.
4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away."
5And the One seated on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are faithful and true."...
The truth will set you free , there is no name, but God when He is all in ALL .. we wait for this with great hope in our hearts, to know this completely ONE DAY .. HIS DAY OF THE LORD .. the patience of the saints,'' holy ones'' purified by His presence and fire called to proclaim the glory of God in the earth as it is in heaven ....
The word used in 1 Sam 3:14, translated in some versions as "forever", is "olam" a Hebrew word that does not mean "forever".
In Gen 6:4 it means in the distant past....
Those were the mighty men who were of old(olam), men of renown.
In Exodus 21:6 it means what remains in a mortal lifespan...
"then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life."(olam)
So you see, olam does not mean forever, it refers to an time with an indefinite ending, forward or backward, which can be forever, or not.
Matt Slick just doesnt look that hard. He fires from the hip with the prejudice of a typical religionist, with the common ammunition of religianity- othodoxy and tradition.
He reminds me of Paul, before his conversion...... I pray that someday the Lord knocks him off his high horse. :o)
I think Matt Slick if he's using this 1 Sam 3:14 as a way to say that there is no way God will forgive or atone the house of Eil through animal sacrifices should read Hebrews 10:4:
Hebrews 10:4-For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Quote from: eaglesway on January 10, 2018, 05:18:14 AM
The word used in 1 Sam 3:14, translated in some versions as "forever", is "olam" a Hebrew word that does not mean "forever".
In Gen 6:4 it means in the distant past....
Those were the mighty men who were of old(olam), men of renown.
In Exodus 21:6 it means what remains in a mortal lifespan...
"then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life."(olam)
So you see, olam does not mean forever, it refers to an time with an indefinite ending, forward or backward, which can be forever, or not.
Matt Slick just doesnt look that hard. He fires from the hip with the prejudice of a typical religionist, with the common ammunition of religianity- othodoxy and tradition.
He reminds me of Paul, before his conversion...... I pray that someday the Lord knocks him off his high horse. :o)
..Amen.. lately when hearing a person defend (the popular cultural myth of) hell, to me, they seem so cold.. so arctic..
shudder.. Which of course becomes the idea the heavenly father is
cold.. arctic.. Which of course is not possible. :gsmile: :dsunny: :dsunny:
And, amen! I always love an olam explanation, especially as I'm not sure I have the understanding nailed firmly in place yet.. (or I forget, oy!)
Reading the posts, I thought how simple it is to see that God will not burn people forever by understanding this one thing. If Jesus died for the sins of the whole world and is the Savior of the whole world, where is there room for a burning hell? If our sins are forgiven, past, present, and future, what do we go to hell for? Is it for something besides sin? If that is so, then wouldn't we all go to hell? If the debt for sins are paid for by Christ, what are we sent to hell for?
Was just thinking.
CHB
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Quote from: CHB on January 18, 2018, 09:20:59 PM
Reading the posts, I thought how simple it is to see that God will not burn people forever by understanding this one thing. If Jesus died for the sins of the whole world and is the Savior of the whole world, where is there room for a burning hell? If our sins are forgiven, past, present, and future, what do we go to hell for? Is it for something besides sin? If that is so, then wouldn't we all go to hell? If the debt for sins are paid for by Christ, what are we sent to hell for?
Was just thinking.
CHB
Agreed! I have heard a response to this before, though. They would simply respond that "God has taken that 99 steps to you, he has done 99% of the work. All you need to do is that 1%, and BELIEVE! He welcomes you with open arms and loves you so much that He gives you this opportunity to be with Him." That is sort of a paraphrase, but I have actually heard that before. They would also say that unbelief is a sin, and (apparently) the line when you can be saved ends at your death. If this life is simply a test, then that would truly be an arbitrary time limit. This life is but a blip of time in eternity. And anyways, what makes you think that your will can stop God's plan for the ages?
If non belief is a sin then that sin has been paid for by Christ. If hell is a payment for sin wouldn't Christ have to have been in hell for a period of time... or still be in hell... to pay that penalty?
CHB