24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Can anyone give me their spiritual perspective on this verse? Of course I have mine...but would like to see what other like mine believers think. Thanks!
Jordan
http://tentmaker.org/forum/word-studies/matt-611-our-bread/msg170326/#msg170326
Reply #27 and #28
flesh counts for nothing[image of corrupt one consumed/old man of sin/Adam/dust ye shall return]
but you will not allow your Holy one to see decay/same spirit in ye that be in Christ shall quicken
your mortal body/that which was mortal must put on immortality.[terrestial/celestial]
Jerusalem Aboves children are double garmeted[Proverbs 31] I come that ye have life more
abundantly now and eternal life in the age to come.camp/eternal city
wool/all men as sheep/slaughtered...appointed
to die once[camp]..linen/all men clothed in Christ/God's righteousness...eternal city.......
terrestial sheep.....offered on altar to be raised up into the celestial/spiritual realm[restful aroma]
the natural flesh man..returns unto the dust/earth..the spiritual man..returns unto the Father
in heaven.
now..we have this 'token' withus now..to show what is to be our full inheritance.....that we may
have life mre abundantly now
while still in this realm...but the fullness must be put into a different vessel...[old wineskin would burst] the fullness [new wine] is put in new vessels[celestial]
change of garments is necessary[mortal/corruptible must put on immortal/incorruptible]
people get it all turned backwards,I think...they think they live because of their body being alive
and do not realize..the body moves and appears alive because of the spirit of life dwelling in it.
compare it to the wind.......a tornadoe may clothe itself in debris/dust [devils]/leaves..and even
water [waterspout]; to be seen in this realm
in this natural realm
Quote from: jojoross on May 14, 2014, 07:39:30 PM
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Can anyone give me their spiritual perspective on this verse? Of course I have mine...but would like to see what other like mine believers think. Thanks!
Jordan
Jesus quotes Isaiah 66 in his ministry. Here is the Isaiah quote:
Isaiah 66
24 "Then they will go forth and look On the
corpses of the men Who have
transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die And their fire will not be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind."
Alright, so the first question is, are the "corpses" literal or figurative/spiritual? First, please note the phrase "corpses of the men" and "transgressed against me." It reminds me of "to be carnally minded is death" and "the wages of sin is death." When we fast-forward to Jesus' ministry we see his reference here:
Mark 9
47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into
GEHENNA fire:
48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.49For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. 50Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Notice that Jesus has
added some information to Isaiah 66. He adds the part about
GEHENNA. We know he is speaking spiritually here too, because we know he does not expect people to literally cut out their feet and eyes. So the idea of "corpses" is figurative. Isaiah is talking about spiritual death. Even ETers would agree.
Let's go to James 3
James 3
5 So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire! 6
And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life,
and is set on fire by GEHENNA.
James is connecting the fire of Gehenna to sin itself, the behavior of those who follow the carnal mind, which is death. Sin that seems small, like gossip, can lead to a full fledged "forest set aflame" of sinfulness that affects the "course of our nature." Gehenna is a spiritual indication of destruction in sin.
So back to Isaiah 66:
Isaiah 66
20 Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the Lord, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels,
to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the Lord, "just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord. 21
I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites," says the Lord.
So now we have reference in Isaiah to a
HIGH PLACE (Zion) and a
LOW PLACE (valley of Hinnom), two spiritual symbols.
Isaiah 66, from what I see in scripture, is a prophecy about the establishment of
New Jerusalem (the church) in contrast to spiritual Gehenna. I do not believe it is talking about the salvation of all mankind, but about the means that God will accomplish the salvation of all mankind.
In my assessment, Isaiah 66 is talking about the establishment of New Jerusalem, referenced in
Revelation 21 and 22. There are some in the world called "the Sons of God" who will be revealed to the world and all creation will come into their glorious liberty. However, before that time, there is a valley and a mountain, symbolizing the existence of sin, and the righteousness of the saints, who stand on the mountain and are taken for priests and for Levites.
Peter said, "for you (church) are a royal priesthood."
For now, there are some within New Jerusalem and some outside, who are involved in the spiritual fire of Gehenna (sinfulness), who will be invited
UP TO spiritual Mt. ZION - inside the city - to partake of the spiritual water of life. This is a testament, in my opinion, that the last chapter of a book in the Bible does not mean it's the end of God's plan, just as how Revelation 22 leaves it with the gates open, and outside there are people in their spiritual fire being invited inside.
New Jerusalem is the means by which God makes all things new. The translation does not say that the fire will NEVER die, but will not die. If you think about the Prodigal Son, when he was spending his inheritance on sinful living, his fire did not die....while he was unrepentant. But it did bring him to his knees eventually.
Awesome replys sheila Seth and WhiteWings! All help me TREMENDOUSLY! God bless you guys!
Jordan