Help?!

[Dandelion]

IMO, no one will be reconciled "because they had some good in them". Whether me. you. or Hitler.

God created the world out of "tohu and bohu". it was without form and void. The Spirit hovered over the waters.

He is recreating the world in the image of Christ and the fulness of Christ.

In some way, in Adam.... every human shares the guilt of Hitler and Stalin. Mankind is judged as one in Adam

Forgiven as one in Jesus.

I think in Adam we all share, in someway, the guilt of all. In Jesus, all are forgiven- to the point of innocence. Altho Hitler and Stalin may be among the last of the adversaries subjected, "As in Adam all died so also in Christ shall all be made alive, but each in His own order", when they are subjected, reconciled, converted, transformed- it will be as clay being transformed into gold.

My personal belief is that this is the gift of the Creator, to bring all His creation into the fulness of Himself, to transform the Creation into Family.

"because they had some good in them" doesn't get us reconciliation, because the only "good in us" comes from God, and for Him to transform us, we need to allow Him into our hearts.

Thank you, EW. Right on the money......beautiful.

D.                          :Gclap:

[marie glen]

Amen! ..and as wise parent letting the world go its own way.. getting that out of the way first.. for all to learn good from evil (what works and what simply cannot ever work).. Otherwise I suppose He'd have to fully program us, somewhat like robots.. but I'm guessing that's not what He's after! Not what He's creating.. :dsunny: :banana:

try not to worry...I too have had doubts in the past about whether or not I'll make it to heaven but I am coming to the belief that God in the first place would not have made any human that was absolutely irredeemable i.e. in His grace and wisdom He only allowed humans to come into existence that He foreknew He would ultimately be able to save..e.g. even Hitler loved animals and had some good in him...even Stalin was known to be somewhat 'generous' at times...and I sincerely believe these two evil men will ultimately be saved...we are nowhere as 'bad' as Stalin and Hitler so there's plenty of hope for us !.

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[CHB]

try not to worry...I too have had doubts in the past about whether or not I'll make it to heaven but I am coming to the belief that God in the first place would not have made any human that was absolutely irredeemable i.e. in His grace and wisdom He only allowed humans to come into existence that He foreknew He would ultimately be able to save..e.g. even Hitler loved animals and had some good in him...even Stalin was known to be somewhat 'generous' at times...and I sincerely believe these two evil men will ultimately be saved...we are nowhere as 'bad' as Stalin and Hitler so there's plenty of hope for us !.

darryl,

You said "we are no where as bad as Stalin and Hitler". This may have applied before Christ but not now. I think we are just as bad as the worst of sinners. If we are guilty of the least then we are guilty of the whole. Who isn't guilty of the least? I may be wrong but I think in God's eyes we are all sinners alike.

CHB