Soul food?

[Nathan]

Well now I "am" confused because it appears that what you just said is exactly how I see it as well.  My soul came to be, it began manifesting when my spirit entered into my flesh.  It's the operative nature of me in both the invisible and in the visible.  It can observe spiritual matters and it can operate natural responses.  It also unfortunately can be tempted by the natural as well.  But because of the relationship with the Father, who is spirit, my soul continues to remain in contact with my spirit and can hear the longing and calling for realgnment when I get my "self" in the way of my spirit.

[WhiteWings]

Gen 2:7  And Jehovah God formeth the man--dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life,(that would be His Spirit same as 1:2)

1:2 ruwach
2:7 neshamah

[micah7:9]

Well now I "am" confused because it appears that what you just said is exactly how I see it as well.  My soul came to be, it began manifesting when my spirit entered into my flesh.  It's the operative nature of me in both the invisible and in the visible.  It can observe spiritual matters and it can operate natural responses.  It also unfortunately can be tempted by the natural as well.  But because of the relationship with the Father, who is spirit, my soul continues to remain in contact with my spirit and can hear the longing and calling for realgnment when I get my "self" in the way of my spirit.

I never said anything about a soul coming to be, the soul didnt begin manifesting, the soul is the living creature. If by "it" you mean "I" then I can agree. " The "soul (man) that sinneth it shall die." Ezk. 18:4 and 20

[micah7:9]

Gen 2:7  And Jehovah God formeth the man--dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life,(that would be His Spirit same as 1:2)

1:2 ruwach
2:7 neshamah

Thank you! that even makes it better. But I must ask, is it not the same? If not then is Eph. 4:4 stating it in error?

[Lefein]

Can you give me scripture for your thoughts?
This is the 2nd time in the Bible the word soul is used and can be easily be read

Gen 12:13  Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and I will live because of thee.

"I will live, because you told them you are my sister, and not my wife, for which they might murder me because they want to take you as their own"  

That is the general idea I gather from it atleast.

1Thessalonians 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit breath/life and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yet, the bible states: Spirit and Soul and Body, not Breath and Body

1Th 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole pneuma (spirit, this is the breath) and psuche (soul, psuche from which we get the word psyche for mind; which is the will-emotions, expressions of such, and etc) and soma (body) be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You assume a trinity from mens doctrines not the Word of God.

Not so, I believe in a triune manifestation of the one God; effectively The Trinity, because of scripture.  The scriptures I put up before, and from the count of them, they are many.  I have reason to be secure and certain.

Mal 3:6  For I am Jehovah, I have not changed, And ye, the sons of Jacob, Ye have not been consumed.
Deu 6:4  `Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God, and the word became flesh.

Gen 1:1-2  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

In the beginning was the word: The word was with God

In the beginning was the word: The word was God

The word became flesh: Jesus

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus often talked about his Father as a "separate-sort" of entity that he was yet one with.  Separate though only in terms of manifestation of the One God.

The Trinity is this: God as a triune of three co-existing manifestations of The One God as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, or synonymously known as The Godhead: It is Biblically supported, and I will testify that it is not by the doctrine's of Tradition that I cater to this theology, but by a system of two/three witnesses.

The Scriptures, Reason, Witness to Conscience.

The scriptures I've gone through.  Reason; God is One, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, God the Father is God, they are not three gods, so they have to be manifestations of One that co-exist.  Illustrations include:  Water = Ice, liquid, vapour.  Or better yet Space-Time-Matter = One Universe.

The witness to Conscience is the effect of both Scripture and Reason impressing my being to acceptance of Truth.

But Micah, if I can try to gain some understanding...What is your view exactly?

[micah7:9]

Im sorry I cant. As long as one holds the theological idea that the soul is a seperate entity, I cant.

As for the trinity I find none of your verses establishing that.
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
Joh 1:2  this one was in the beginning with God;
Joh 4:24  God is Spirit
Joh 10:30  I and the Father are one.'
Joh 14:9  Jesus saith to him, `So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?

Why wouldnt John have said SOMETHING about God being more than ONE?
Deu 6:4  `Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;
I, thank the Lord, I know and understand that He Is ONE.

[Lefein]

Because the Trinity does not imply that there is more than one God.

On a side note however: The soul is as separate an entity from our Spirit as in the same way that our brain is not our atria.  Yet the body is certainly one individual.

I thank the Lord, that I know that Christ, The Holy Spirit, and The Father are One, yet co-exist, giving me assurance of his majesty.

[thinktank]

Man is water blood and spirit

John's epistle

So the blood is body

Water is female/soul

Spirit/ breath of God

Does it make sense that water could be soul?

Scientists have concluded that water stores information and thinks, so maybe the soul thinks, the spirit energizes and the blood gives life to the body.

This is something im just throwing out there and see what comes back, hopefully not a pack of dogs :laughing7:

[shawn]

Man is water blood and spirit

John's epistle

So the blood is body

Water is female/soul

Spirit/ breath of God

Does it make sense that water could be soul?

Scientists have concluded that water stores information and thinks, so maybe the soul thinks, the spirit energizes and the blood gives life to the body.

This is something im just throwing out there and see what comes back, hopefully not a pack of dogs :laughing7:

Water can certainly store certain types of information by it's state and mineral content.  But, I'm lost to figure out what you mean by water can think.  Can you explain?

[Molly]

...hopefully not a pack of dogs

woof!

rivers of living water=the immortal soul?


John 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.


"belly"

G2836
κοιλία
koilia
koy-lee'-ah
From κοιλος koilos ("hollow"); a cavity, that is, (specifically) the abdomen; by implication the matrix; figuratively [/b]the heart[/b]: - belly, womb.




1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

--Rev22



1 John 5:8
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

[Lefein]

Water by sheer thought as to the culture of the East where Israel is set, would be connected to Life.  The river, the rains, etc.  Wells in the desert. :)

[Beloved Servant]

woof!   

Love it Molly!

[thinktank]

woof!   

Love it Molly!

:happy3:

[thinktank]

Man is water blood and spirit

John's epistle

So the blood is body

Water is female/soul

Spirit/ breath of God

Does it make sense that water could be soul?

Scientists have concluded that water stores information and thinks, so maybe the soul thinks, the spirit energizes and the blood gives life to the body.

This is something im just throwing out there and see what comes back, hopefully not a pack of dogs :laughing7:

Water can certainly store certain types of information by it's state and mineral content.  But, I'm lost to figure out what you mean by water can think.  Can you explain?

I'm not sure but it just came to me and I thought I'd share.

1 John 5:8
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Cardinal is convinced that male and female created he them, means that the female part is the soul part. So if I take the breath, the dust and the soul, then man becomes a living soul.

So if, breath is spirit, body is blood, then water might be soul. So im trying to figure out what exactly is soul and perhaps if I assign it to water here in 1 john 5:8 then it might give some clues.

I might have it the wrong way round though. Water/soul might be the energizer or life and that spirit is the one that thinks. There is a scripture in Romans I think or Corinthians, where it says who knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man who is in him. So maybe soul/water is the  energy or life that sustains man. :2c:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: In my study of some Hebrew words today, I found that the Hebrew word for womb/belly, also figuratively means, Sheol.........since the soul is not submissive to the Spirit by it's very nature, this is not surprising. No way are they one and the same, until He makes them ONE. Blessings....

PS...Er.....WOOF!  :winkgrin:

[Beloved Servant]

THAT'S IT !

Thanks, Card.








                                                                                                                                                                                                              woof

[WhiteWings]

So if, breath is spirit, body is blood, then water might be soul. So im trying to figure out what exactly is soul and perhaps if I assign it to water here in 1 john 5:8 then it might give some clues.

I might have it the wrong way round though. Water/soul might be the energizer or life and that spirit is the one that thinks. There is a scripture in Romans I think or Corinthians, where it says who knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man who is in him. So maybe soul/water is the  energy or life that sustains man. :2c:

^KJVRev. 21:6  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
^KJVRev. 22:1  And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
^KJVRev. 22:17  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

[Nathan]

Man is water blood and spirit

John's epistle

So the blood is body

Water is female/soul

Spirit/ breath of God

Does it make sense that water could be soul?

Scientists have concluded that water stores information and thinks, so maybe the soul thinks, the spirit energizes and the blood gives life to the body.

This is something im just throwing out there and see what comes back, hopefully not a pack of dogs :laughing7:

Water can certainly store certain types of information by it's state and mineral content.  But, I'm lost to figure out what you mean by water can think.  Can you explain?

I'm not sure but it just came to me and I thought I'd share.

1 John 5:8
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

Cardinal is convinced that male and female created he them, means that the female part is the soul part. So if I take the breath, the dust and the soul, then man becomes a living soul.

So if, breath is spirit, body is blood, then water might be soul. So im trying to figure out what exactly is soul and perhaps if I assign it to water here in 1 john 5:8 then it might give some clues.

I might have it the wrong way round though. Water/soul might be the energizer or life and that spirit is the one that thinks. There is a scripture in Romans I think or Corinthians, where it says who knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man who is in him. So maybe soul/water is the  energy or life that sustains man. :2c:

See, this is where things get exciting more me.  You're thinking from within now.  You're mind doesn't fully comprehend what it's seeing, but as you share it, your mind digests it and it births into something wonderful.  Yes, what makes up "man" but spirit, water, and blood?  Scripture states that life is in the blood.  My body is almost all water, and my spirit is obviously spirit, but life is in the blood.  When my spirit first was ushered into my body, blood manifested.  The existance of blood is the evidence of life.  It's the evidence that there's a spirit dwelling in this body.  That's why it says they're in agreement.  You can't "be" a "being" unless all three of these elements are manfesting in you.  Remove one, and the other two stop manifesting.

It's the same with "God".  Remove the Son from the equasion and God no longer manifests.  How do we remove the Son?  There was a religious movement a while back that was all about "Jesus Only".  that would be one way.

Peter gave us another example on the mount of transfiguration by wanting to build an altar to the three elements separately.  But when we pursue Christ, it's as Jesus said . . .love your neighbor and love God.  All other laws hang from these two foundational truths.  Love and Love.  Both are built on relationship.  Not knowledge about God and not denominations defending God.  True relationship with the Father births revelation of the nature of the Son.