This topic has been moved to Speak to Mods (http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?board=53).
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=7287.0
Hi Jhkh
are you now able to veiw the mod section where this thread has be relocated?
I can see this part but when i click any of the links you posted i get this message .
An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
can you not see the thread in the Mods section...ive enabled your account to see it...if not? ill try once more but it should be fine???
No i cant see it. It doesnt matter Taffy, i said all i wanted to say anyway, and have no desire to inflict my opinion of this subject on anyone anyway, but rather, will leave it up the judge while i work out my own salvation whilst casting as few stones at others as i possibly can and checking my eyes for planks as often as i can along the way.
well ill leave it open for now , as other mods may wish to make comment ,
try this link
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=7287.msg82900#new
again you should have access...?
unless Martins altered the settings, ? ive left him a message to enquire :dontknow:
I still don't have access Taffy, but thanks anyway.
have a Look by your avatar...does it say Mod Talk..I can see it
if not ill have to wait on Martin..cos theres something amiss...
later :icon_flower:
IT says modtalk (right under my username) but the links still dont work.
Quote from: jesushandsarekindhands on November 12, 2009, 05:38:17 PM
IT says modtalk (right under my username) but the links still dont work.
odd which means its enabled..cant think why your inable to veiw it...
Im sorry Jhkh , Ill have to wait on Martin..a few loose wires in the system..or me... :Sparkletooth:
Yeah, I think we've agreed these discussions need to go to PMs and/or mod section, at least for now. I personally don't know how to make the private mod discussion work though. Martin should know how.
Quote from: jabcat on November 12, 2009, 10:01:51 PM
Yeah, I think we've agreed these discussions need to go to PMs and/or mod section, at least for now. I personally don't know how to make the private mod discussion work though. Martin should know how.
James Ive done what needs to be done but nothing shows Jhkh end..ive redone the action 3 times and still no joy.. :dontknow:
True, I was thinking you could know how too...maybe just not working somehow/something wrong with system...
Maybe it's Gods will the thread isn't working! As stated before I couldn't care less about debating on the subject anyway. It's my hill to climb.
Just as I wouldnt want a thread made about any other sin of mine why should this 'sin' be displayed for all to ponder and debate over?
I said what I wanted to say on the matter, and in future will avoid ever mentioning the 'homosexual' subject anymore.
I'm dealing with it, and a debate about it wouldn't solve anything anyway. Everyone has their own opinions on the matter.
All I ask is that people remember that Christ died for all of us because he loved us all.
Indeed if only one human had ever been created and that human happened to be gay, have 3 penises and 5 vaginas, our loveing saviour would still have come down to die in his place, saving that precious person from sin and death.
At least, that is my perception of a God who is 'love'.
Marc,
I'm glad to hear you're working on it, as opposed to just accepting it. I too have many sins, battles of the flesh I deal with. I just don't think I should just accept it inside of me and go around announcing that they're OK. And I think you're right, it's not only homosexuality, it's any of our sins that we need to confess and seek correction of within us. If I'm lying, stealing, hating, those are sins as well, and not to be accepted and passed off as "God doesn't care". He may not send us to an everlasting torment over it, but there are still consequences, and as I've said, I experience those consequences in my own life. Jesus forgives and heals, but we can still do damage, especially with stubborn, unrepentance of our sins. As you say, Jesus died for them/us, and asks us to crucify those things/our flesh...participating in His death, His life being revealed in us (?) - I don't have all the answers to that. I just know He's forgiving, but wants us to pursue "Be ye holy for I am Holy". And as He which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy" 1 Peter 1:15-16.
I understand there are many things involved in that, many things understood differently - including that we cannot be holy of ourselves, it takes the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, God working within us to bring us to that place. I just believe it happens more readily if I "cooperate" with Him, admitting my failures and sins (confessing = agreeing) and asking Him to change me..which He does, from the inside-out - "resist the devil and he will flee from you". I believe I have to add pursuing God's help in that equation, because again, I can't just do it in my strength.
Well, not looking for any debate, just adding some thoughts. I have appreciated some things you've shared in some other areas, especially when I've seen you make stands for the written Word. If we continue to seek His will in our lives, that Word will be revealed by the Spirit, within our spirit, we will be cleansed and purged, and come forth rejoicing.
James.
James i completely 'Amen' everything you said.
I am working on my building James, believe me I am, so that I need not be ashamed when Christ comes, but rather say
"I was only doing what I should have been doing".
I won't even be looking for any reward, indeed, a reward isn't the reason I seek his face.
I seek him because I love people and I want them all to be healed and happy, with no more crying or pain or death.
All of us, even my enemies, where I hope and pray God prepares a table for myself and my enemies where we can sit down, free from sin, and love each other, as God intended.
Love to you brother, I can see what you wrote was inspired and it was truth and a true blessing for me to read.
Marc, if any of it's true (and I believe it is) it's because it's from Him, and because I too have been broken. I continue to struggle with my flesh, even though I see Him working in me, maturing me. I could mess up tomorrow, but He is working.
Raised in a very strict, fundamentalist environment, I was converted at an early age. Later in my life I sinned horribly, going against everything I knew to be true. Though God has forgiven me, and done a lot of healing in my life, I will never outlive some of the damage I caused by my sins, both to me and others. I'm so far from perfect it's almost laughable. I just know that when I sin, and especially when I openly discuss it, I don't need people telling me "don't worry about it". The Spirit within me and my consciense tells me otherwise, until I take it to Father, admit it, ask Him to forgive me. I need someone, even if it hurts to hear it, to LOVINGLY remind me what pleases Father, and to encourage me to turn from my sin and seek His face. That's who helps me at that point - someone trying to restore me.
Keep seeking His face. I saw your open confession, and it is touching and saddens me. As you confess and seek His face, do remember that He loves you, isn't beating on you with glee, though He may be "spanking" you as a son. Scripture tells us to not despise that. I think it shows that we are His, and He cares enough to take the time to discipline us. Because He is bringing us somewhere in Him, that is only better than where we were.
We will continue to pray for you, and remember to pray for us. There but for the grace of God go I - each one of us.
Only by His grace, James.
I'm really happy tonight that we are talking like this, in spirit (as i believe) (and as much as i can) and in love.
I'm so much a sinner it would also be laughable. I'm the last person to be preaching God's love, because quite frankly all i've shown for the last few years was hate.
I deserve to be punished, but at the same time, I just want to be healed.
Have i suffered enough? I don't know. I hope so.
The world is so confusing, and ive been so mixed up. I just pray that God will hear both of us, since two of us are gathered in Jesus's name and help us as he sees fit.
I wish i could be with you right now to have a good old chat, but somehow (and this is very strange because i recall Paul saying much the same thing), ...I feel like somehow i am with you right now, in spirit.
I just dont want to let God down again. If he is the great God who loves so much it passes knowledge i want to know him again.
I ran from the ET'ers version of God...He wasnt worthy of respect, and somehow i felt....am i battling God here?
But i dont believe God is like that. I just cant accept it, i cant have faith in a God like that or worship a God like that, I just cant, i love people to much and care about their wellbeing as well as my own, in fact for a lot of people i care more about them than myself.
Does that make me bad or on the wrong side?
No! i dont believe it does!
Truth is truth, i cant make it anything else.
Ill keep searching and will keep praying for everyone and hope they will pray for me too.
Thank you James.