Matthew 13 -- Wheat & Tares

[70sevens]

WhiteWing------------------------
I'm a sinner and I know that.
The more I understand from the Bible the more I know I'm on the wrong side of the line.
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According to the Bible, you are not a sinner.
If you really realized you are a sinner, you would not stay in the current status.
I guess this issue was dealt somehow in the dialoges with Nathan and yourself.

When you come to an end of your tether, pary to God.
Only at that time you will realize that your are a sinner who has been apart from God.
Then God will send you Jesus, the friend of the sinners.
From that time on, Jesus will lead you to the heaven.
Until then, let us live each way.
Millions of words at this stage will not work.

WhiteWing------------------------
situations. 2 choices.
I'll explain.
Some people know they are tares. Again the example of the person that kills and steals.
Some people think they live their lives in a good way. (weat) But when judged they are classified as tares.
(go away I never knew you)
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Do be misunderstood.
people are tares itself.

First,
If some tares know they are tares,
Then other tares do not know they are tares?
All tares are having same nature.
If the natures are different, they are not tares anymore.
Tare is tare.
This is the meaning of "black is black, white is white."

Second,
Some tares think they are wheat, but classified as tares later.
What made them think that they were wheat?
Did they forget that they killed someone and stole someting due to poor memory?

[WhiteWings]

WhiteWing------------------------
I'm a sinner and I know that.
The more I understand from the Bible the more I know I'm on the wrong side of the line.
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According to the Bible, you are not a sinner.
If you really realized you are a sinner, you would not stay in the current status.
I guess this issue was dealt somehow in the dialoges with Nathan and yourself.

Maybe Nathan did explain/say it. Likely 100% Biblically true. But that's not how it feels to me.
I see the part of staying a sinner like this:
At new years eve many people promise: I stop smoking. I eat health food. I'll work out more. etc.
They all know that are good things. Then ask them on February 1st how they. They still are at their old unhealty life.
They still agree their lifestyle is bad for their health. They have plenty excuses why they didn't start that healty life.
I'm one of those persons. But my new years eve promise is to follow the guidelines of the Bible.....

When you come to an end of your tether, pary to God.
Only at that time you will realize that your are a sinner who has been apart from God.
Then God will send you Jesus, the friend of the sinners.
From that time on, Jesus will lead you to the heaven.
Until then, let us live each way.
Millions of words at this stage will not work.

I hope I understand the blue words....
I'm not. I've never been depressed. My life is one big laugh. (in a positive way)
And even if I would be depressed on the edge of suisidal I would not ask for help.
Especially if I at that point understand I did wrong to God my whole life.
I believe in reap what you sow. So I won't beg for a bail out from God...

WhiteWing------------------------
situations. 2 choices.
I'll explain.
Some people know they are tares. Again the example of the person that kills and steals.
Some people think they live their lives in a good way. (weat) But when judged they are classified as tares.
(go away I never knew you)
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Do be misunderstood.
people are tares itself.

First,
If some tares know they are tares,
Then other tares do not know they are tares?

Correct.
For example some people pray for forgiveness. They know they are tares that need forgivenes.
Others are tares and they don't know. For example because they live to standards of other religions.
Or they are atheists that never broke the laws of the country they live in. Where I live there are no laws against adultery. It may not break a country law but it surely breaks God law.

All tares are having same nature.
If the natures are different, they are not tares anymore.
Tare is tare.
This is the meaning of "black is black, white is white."

Sorry I don't understand your answer. Or don't agree with it.
"You shall not steal" I'm very aware when I steal something. Doesn't that make me a knowing wheat?

Second,
Some tares think they are wheat, but classified as tares later.
What made them think that they were wheat?
Did they forget that they killed someone and stole someting due to poor memory?

Maybe they did. Or they think it was forgiven by praying.
Or some people may for some reason think they are at the level of Jesus.
Isn't that what the verse "Go away I never knew you." means?

[pneuma]

The MAN of dust was a living creature/nephesh, living its own life until the BREATH OF LIFE was breathed upon him. Once the BREATH OF LIFE which is the birth/manifestation of Jesus Christ in the MAN of dust, MAN became a living soul/nephesh or a new creature in Christ.

Pneuma,

Don't know if you still come around or read on here but I just wanted to tell you that was an awesome post.  :thumbsup: I learned something I never thought of before.  :bgdance:

CHB

Hi sis, don't spend much time on the net these days as I went back to college and they keep me very busy, but was gald to see that what the Lord gave me planted a seed in you.

God bless

[Jaareshiah]

In the parable or illustration of the ' wheat and weeds', Jesus said that "the kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also."(Matt 13:24-26) What did Jesus mean by this illustration ? That he, as the "man that sowed fine seed in his field", established Christianity during his ministry of 29-33 C.E., with the holy spirit being poured out upon the initial ones on the day of Pentecost.(Acts 2:1-4)

However, Jesus said in the illustration that "when the (wheat) blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also."(Matt 13:26) There was now a growing of the "wheat and weeds" together. The slaves ask: "Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it come to have weeds ?'. The "Master" replies: "'An enemy, a man, did this.' (Matt 13:27,28) The slaves now ask: "'Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?', with the "Master" telling his slaves: "No; that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.'"(Matt 13:29,30)

Who is "the enemy" ? Jesus identifies him as Satan the Devil, who "came and oversown weeds".(Matt 13:39) Yet what are the "weeds" ? These "weeds" are counterfeit Christians that have been placed or "oversowed" among the "wheat" by Satan. When did this begin to happen ? "While men were sleeping", or following the death of the apostles, with the apostle John most likely having died in about 100 C.E. Even while the apostles were alive, counterfeit Christians were already at work. The apostle Paul told the "elders" from Ephesus, that "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves."(Acts 20:29,30)

Thus, there were those that ' rose and spoke twisted things' that drew "draw away the disciples after themselves". These therefore became apostates, which literally means "stand away from"(Greek a·po·sta·si´a), and has the sense of "desertion, abandonment or rebellion." (Ac 21:21) The apostle John, in about 96 C.E., wrote: "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour."(1 John 2:18)  Hence, even at that "last hour", true Christianity was being overtaken by the "antichrists"(meaning "against [or instead of] Christ)", "weeds", counterfeit Christians.

Hence, within a period of less than 300 years from the time that Jesus established the Christian congregation, the wheat field of Christianity had been overrun with the "weeds" of apostate antichrists to the point where Constantine the Great (himself incriminated in the murder of no less than seven close friends and relatives) figured in events that led to the development of a state religion disguised as "Christianity", with the Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E.

A prophesy by Isaiah directs one attention that true Christianity, though infiltrated with "weeds" during the course of over 1900 years, from the days of the apostles, would once again be reestablished in the "final part of the days", our time period. Isaiah was inspired to write: "it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem. And he will judge between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."(Isaiah 2:2-4, American Standard Version)

During the "latter days", our time period, angels will ' collect the weeds and burn them with fire ', these to be destroyed (Matt 13:39,40), during which time "the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father."(Matt 13:43) Hence, true Christianity would once again flourish in these "latter days", even though "weeds", counterfeit Christians are still abounding.