I saw the lake of fire

[marie glen]

I saw the lake of fire. It was red and yellow (red and orange).. it was liquid.. spiritual liquid.. It was the fire of regret and remorse. I'm thinking our own measure of it could squash us like a bug. Imagine His carrying it all when He was upon that cross.

"..as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up" - John 3:14 (NKJ)
.."that the world through Him might be saved.." verse 17 (all)

"And the Lord said unto Moses, make thee a fiery serpent (Young's Literal - "a burning [serpent]") and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live." Numbers 21:8 (KJ) ..And Moses made a serpent of brass and put it on a pole.."

John 12:32, Jesus said, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

("He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." - Isaiah 53:11) ("the many" - Amplified Version)

I hadn't realized... did Jesus bear the lake of fire on His shoulders? when He was upon the cross? (and in the garden?)

[micah7:9]

 :Chinscratch:

[jabcat]

hi marie.  how did you see it, and how did you know it was spiritual and not literal?  i don't know the answer your question, had never thought that before....

[Lazarus Short]

Please don't do a Mary K. Baxter on us...

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I was shown it too in a dream. How did you know it was regret and remorse? The Spirit quicken that to you? Blessings....

[sheila]

He bore/as High Priest/two onyx stones bearing the name of of 6 tribes of Israel on each shoulder.

   black stone 'nay' white stone yeah...........

       still connected to Goats lots..one burnt on the altar/the Lord's goat..and one the scapegoat..that perishes in the wilderness

  never to enter the Holy city .

  the Lord in the fiery furnance  in Daniel's day. Judges 13;20  for when it come to pass that when the flame went upward to heaven

from off the altar..that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the alter. WE SHALL HAVE MADE READY A KID FOR THEE.

   I AM in the burning bush.

    Judas..satan entered into his heart to betray Jesus[Azazel's goat] Judas snakebit.........hung on a tree...serpent's head crushed

when Judas repented. nothing that enters a mans mouth defiles him..it passeth out into the sewer. what comes from his heart

defileth him..so we have the serpent lifted up to betray/strike the heel..and the son of God lifted up...........the Lord's lot ascends

in the flames of the altar[kid prepared][if the strongman had knew]

  not one is lost but the son of perdition=mind of serpent is crushed

[sheila]

Dan shall be a serpent by the road Genesis 49;17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way,an adder in the path that biteth the horse heels

that his rider shall fall backwards[I AM He..and they fell backwards.] I have waited for thy salvation,O'Lord.

   Judas of the tribe of Dan..with satan having put in his heart to betray Jesus.

[marie glen]

hi marie.  how did you see it, and how did you know it was spiritual and not literal?  i don't know the answer your question, had never thought that before....

Oh..  :doh: it was a within sort of thing, during prayer.. in my mind only :smile: (but I like the title, catchy) but it did feel very real, like a real observation... not a 'vision' or anything.. just during prayer came to mind..

[Seth]

I saw the lake of fire. It was red and yellow (red and orange).. it was liquid.. spiritual liquid.. It was the fire of regret and remorse. I'm thinking our own measure of it could squash us like a bug. Imagine His carrying it all when He was upon that cross.

"..as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up" - John 3:14 (NKJ)
.."that the world through Him might be saved.." verse 17 (all)

"And the Lord said unto Moses, make thee a fiery serpent (Young's Literal - "a burning [serpent]") and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live." Numbers 21:8 (KJ) ..And Moses made a serpent of brass and put it on a pole.."

John 12:32, Jesus said, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

("He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." - Isaiah 53:11) ("the many" - Amplified Version)

I hadn't realized... did Jesus bear the lake of fire on His shoulders? when He was upon the cross? (and in the garden?)

I think if he did, it would show that the LOF = sin, since Jesus bore our sins on the Cross. Isaiah 53:6  :2c:

[marie glen]

:cloud9: I was shown it too in a dream. How did you know it was regret and remorse? The Spirit quicken that to you? Blessings....

    :thumbsup: yep, it came to mind during prayer.. could 'see' it quite clearly :smile:

Please don't do a Mary K. Baxter on us...

  :faint: I forgot to mention it was a within sort of thing! (during prayer) :smile:

I think if he did, it would show that the LOF = sin, since Jesus bore our sins on the Cross. Isaiah 53:6  :2c:

...if.. the LOF is the burning of remorse/shame.. and He bore our sins (that of course, we do know). And of course, in Rev chapter 20, those who are cast into the LOF are those not believing/not yet having their names in the (book of) life...

Believers "having part in the LOF" will feel the remorse of not having lived in His will..? Seems different from the Rev 20 "cast into LOF"

Just saying.. I'm thinking the LOF is the burning of regret and remorse, which acts upon the heart / purifies...
      :smile:

[Seth]

I think it's an interesting thought, but doesn't the Bible literally say that Jesus bore our sins? That would mean that if he bore the Lake of Fire, that seems to me that would mean the LOF is sin  that causes the remorse or shame. Like, the cause of the remorse would be tied together with the remorse itself.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I just realized I probably was shown it twice. Though the other time it looked just like lava, everywhere......it was all I could see. But He gave me at that time that it was His love, the overflowing scourge that makes whole everything that it touches, the element(s)al things having been overcome, they melt with a fervent heat. It wasn't a "bad" thing; it will "burn" off the chaff till all that is left is like Him. My  :2c: Blessings....

[Seth]

I think God does everything through the lense of love ultimately and generally, but I do think it is important to note that the LOF in scripture is called the wine of God's wrath (Revelation 14). In other words, yes it's a judgment brought forth from a God of love, but there is, I believe, and implicit warning in scripture to avoid it (ie it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.)

[rosered]

  , I so love what you have shared Marie !!!!   God bless you  ,  you have really been a  blessing    :friendstu:




Hebrews 12 1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us,


let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,


2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


3For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

Against Himself   !!  Its sounds  like death and Life  , Him being the Light and Life becoming the Lord of the dead and the living making alive to me !!!

[Eduard]

That is a fascinating way to look at it, Marie Glen. And a very Biblical approach to me.

[Cardinal]

I think God does everything through the lense of love ultimately and generally, but I do think it is important to note that the LOF in scripture is called the wine of God's wrath (Revelation 14). In other words, yes it's a judgment brought forth from a God of love, but there is, I believe, and implicit warning in scripture to avoid it (ie it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.)

I see it as infinitely better than the religious version. It's not the result of pressing in for the high calling, but it's not complete annihilation and eternal torment, either. Blessings....

[Seth]

Yes I also do too, Cardinal  :thumbsup: I'm just sayin

Revelation 14
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

When I told my pastor a long time ago that I thought the Lake of Fire was the burning love of God, he had a few things to say about the wrath of God, as detailed above. I was there to explain that I didn't mean a warm and fuzzy expression of that love, but that even God's wrath was founded on love.

But, if an ET apologist were here, he would probably have the same objection. And I am just saying that, while I believe God's judgements are founded on love, I believe the LOF is clearly an expression of God's wrath and that I think clarification about that helps the UR cause.

I personally believe that the maddening wine of Babylon's immoralities is connected to the LOF in terms of sin leading to tormented lives, but I still believe that such a judgment (exile) is founded on love.  :2c:

[rosered]

Yes I also do too, Cardinal  :thumbsup: I'm just sayin

Revelation 14
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

When I told my pastor a long time ago that I thought the Lake of Fire was the burning love of God, he had a few things to say about the wrath of God, as detailed above. I was there to explain that I didn't mean a warm and fuzzy expression of that love, but that even God's wrath was founded on love.

But, if an ET apologist were here, he would probably have the same objection. And I am just saying that, while I believe God's judgements are founded on love, I believe the LOF is clearly an expression of God's wrath and that I think clarification about that helps the UR cause.

I personally believe that the maddening wine of Babylon's immoralities is connected to the LOF in terms of sin leading to tormented lives, but I still believe that such a judgment (exile) is founded on love.  :2c:

  I totally and completly agree with you Seth  :iagree:

  If you consider the  law is the ministration of  death  ,    as the carnally minded [is death ] and JESUS CHRIST  IS BEING  SPIRITUALLY MINDED

and this is the  enemies of the cross  , that have  not  crucified the old man  of sin   yet  , but are still dead  in sin  , just as the world still is also

  This is the  hypocrisy   , they are still crushing the new grapes [clusters on the VINE  , I am the vine you are the branches without me you can do nothing   
  this is the sinners against Himself ,   in the body of Christ  but are dead  still  , making Him the Lord of the dead and living     
  These useless branches are to be lopped off and   ready to be  burned  , only to grow back   as a new shoot  , just as  King Neb was given in Daniel
   this is the cutting off of Babylon    Jeremiah's  prophecy Babylon's Fall is Certain
Severe Judgment against Babylon
...5For neither Israel nor Judah has been forsaken By his God, the LORD of hosts, Although their land is full of guilt Before the Holy One of Israel. 6Flee from the midst of Babylon, And each of you save his life! Do not be destroyed in her punishment, For this is the LORD'S time of vengeance; He is going to render recompense to her. 7Babylon has been a golden cup in the hand of the LORD, Intoxicating all the earth. The nations have drunk of her wine; Therefore the nations are going mad.

...15"Raise your battle cry against her on every side! She has given herself up, her pillars have fallen, Her walls have been torn down. For this is the vengeance of the LORD:

Take vengeance on her; As she has done to others, so do to her. 16"Cut off the sower from Babylon And the one who wields the sickle at the time of harvest; From before the sword of the oppressor They will each turn back to his own people And they will each flee to his own land.

  The slaughter of the innocent   , Jesus   proves this with strong contrast   in Saul to Paul and new name and white  stone , clean heart  /spirit   in Judgment

on the road to Damascus  , when He  proved  Saul  was killing/crushing  the new converts  in   Christ [ the new grapes  on the new wine covenant in the Vine  ]   newly in   His body  , Eat my Body and drink my  blood that you might have life in you ....

and called it kicking against the pricks      ,,   fighting against JESUS CHRIST NEW AND LIVING WAY     

sinners against Himself   , and showed  paul those many things he must suffer  for Jesus Christ names sakes ,    showing us as you judge so shall you be judged  walking a  mile or two in the other side    ,  little ones shoes ....

[rosered]

Dan shall be a serpent by the road Genesis 49;17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way,an adder in the path that biteth the horse heels

that his rider shall fall backwards[I AM He..and they fell backwards.] I have waited for thy salvation,O'Lord.

   Judas of the tribe of Dan..with satan having put in his heart to betray Jesus.

  YES loved what you shared Sheila  ,  this is the same sting of death , judging !!   
Death for you but life for us !!      Jesus the  righteous  Judge would  judge the world in righteouness

  I find the  HOLY CITY [ 12 Foundations stones and the   twelve  walls [gates ] building   the  holy city    in these .......
  Original Twelve
1. Simon - Naphtali
2. Andrew - Naphtali
3. James - Zebulun
4. John - Zebulun
5. Philip - Asher
6. Bartholomew - Issachar
7. Thomas - Judah
8. Matthew - Issachar
9. James - Manasseh
10. Thadius - Judah
11. Simon the Zealot - Ephraim
12. Judas Iscariot - Dan

But   see  that Judas/Dan /judges   was  cut off  and  by the oath  [Beersheba ]    and not mentioned   at all the tribes  in Revelation 7  as sealed

This is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

   but Benjamin   was  Saul /Paul[of the tribe of Benjamin ]   son of the right hand  the little one  ,   Paul means small or little ,  taken his place     chosen of Jesus Christ  and  given the  silver cup in His bag !!      Gen  44 Benjamin and the Silver Cup , silver is the righteous arms/works  of God  in the true Image of God

1 Then he commanded his house steward, saying, "Fill the men's sacks with food, as much as they can carry, and put each man's money in the mouth of his sack. 2"Put my cup, the silver cup, in the mouth of the sack of the youngest, and his money for the grain.

   Paul sure does  speak of the grains in 1Cor 15 !!   :HeartThrob:

I am  thrilled !!!   :banana: :banana: :banana: 

[guest5685]

Lake of Fire: :eek:

Here are my thoughts on that subject. Seth mentioned the Love of God as a pastor had shared with him. My thoughts run along this line as well. We hear about the "Seas" as humanity's multitudes. We see out of our belly shall flow"Rivers of Living Water. He makes his ministers "Flames of Fire".

Imagine a people purified with no mixture just the pure Love of God and are not we all ministers and as such Flames of Fire
(Holy Fire). Imagine a large multitude of these "Flames" might appear as a LAKE OF FIRE. That purity would surely convince the most hardened hearts since they could not run anywhere for safety to shelter their unbelief with false doctrines of man. The LOVE would be INTENSE. :dsunny: AND LOVE NEVER FAILS  :thumbsup: I'm thinking they'd come out WELL DONE!

Just my thoughts when reading that scripture passage.  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

[marie glen]

:cloud9: I just realized I probably was shown it twice. Though the other time it looked just like lava, everywhere......it was all I could see. But He gave me at that time that it was His love, the overflowing scourge that makes whole everything that it touches, the element(s)al things having been overcome, they melt with a fervent heat. It wasn't a "bad" thing; it will "burn" off the chaff till all that is left is like Him. My  :2c: Blessings....

I was thinking just this morning, musing and comparing the LOF with how the "elements will melt with a fervent heat" which was thinking that to be the ages final consummation clearing the way for the "new heavens and new earth, wherein righteousness is to dwell".

(Righteousness because of how all rational creatures of heaven and earth having been thoroughly purged through deep heartfelt repentance fire, and so very thoroughly convinced through experience and witness, that even one tiny speck of sin/imperfection/wandering from God can only ever lead to horror! And without God's intervention, annihilation in a self destructive, truth revealing wisp of smoke.)

...and if "death" will be no more.. how surely that will include the 2nd death..

I also wonder.. lake of fire' as Jesus is returning... (one created by man's own doings) - "He comes with angels and in fire".. and where on the planet that is most likely (these days hereabouts) to occur there is all that oil under the surface.. just musing..

Yes I also do too, Cardinal  :thumbsup: I'm just sayin

Revelation 14
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

When I told my pastor a long time ago that I thought the Lake of Fire was the burning love of God, he had a few things to say about the wrath of God, as detailed above. I was there to explain that I didn't mean a warm and fuzzy expression of that love, but that even God's wrath was founded on love.

But, if an ET apologist were here, he would probably have the same objection. And I am just saying that, while I believe God's judgements are founded on love, I believe the LOF is clearly an expression of God's wrath and that I think clarification about that helps the UR cause.

I personally believe that the maddening wine of Babylon's immoralities is connected to the LOF in terms of sin leading to tormented lives, but I still believe that such a judgment (exile) is founded on love.  :2c:

Amen, amen! ab-so-lute-ly! :iagree: :thumbsup:

[marie glen]

I think it's an interesting thought, but doesn't the Bible literally say that Jesus bore our sins? That would mean that if he bore the Lake of Fire, that seems to me that would mean the LOF is sin  that causes the remorse or shame. Like, the cause of the remorse would be tied together with the remorse itself.

:iagree: I was only thinking of the pressure and weight of the sins of the world.. and how He bore the shame.. so to say He bore the LOF likely not accurate, but He bore each of our measure/pressure of it.. the weight of it upon Him.. or we would be 'squashed like bugs' under the weight of it.. (w/o His intervention, the wages of sin is death, I believe would be annihilation.. squashed like a bug :eek: His carrying the load tempers it so it is purifying rather than destroying? :smile:

[Seth]

I think it's an interesting thought, but doesn't the Bible literally say that Jesus bore our sins? That would mean that if he bore the Lake of Fire, that seems to me that would mean the LOF is sin  that causes the remorse or shame. Like, the cause of the remorse would be tied together with the remorse itself.

:iagree: I was only thinking of the pressure and weight of the sins of the world.. and how He bore the shame.. so to say He bore the LOF likely not accurate, but He bore each of our measure/pressure of it.. the weight of it upon Him.. or we would be 'squashed like bugs' under the weight of it.. (w/o His intervention, the wages of sin is death, I believe would be annihilation.. squashed like a bug :eek: His carrying the load tempers it so it is purifying rather than destroying? :smile:

I definitely see it similarly to you.  :thumbsup: I don't see the "torment" being physical, but emotional and leading to repentance.

[Seth]

If most ETers thought about it, they'd probably find that most of their honest and heartfelt repentance experiences came out of a kind of torment and were reaching for help.

[marie glen]

If most ETers thought about it, they'd probably find that most of their honest and heartfelt repentance experiences came out of a kind of torment and were reaching for help.

Yep! :thumbsup: (er, amen!!) ...and, et, implies, to me, a need for quite a bit more "thinking"! :faint: