I haven't read that book yet.
I haven't either, but I read some of the reviews on amazon. Sounds like a pretty good book, but as one comment on a review said, it's unfortunate that a book like this has to be published to tell people what they should already know. Then he lists some items that he feels should be common knowledge.
Quote from: Doc on January 22, 2009, 11:32:56 PM
I haven't either, but I read some of the reviews on amazon. Sounds like a pretty good book, but as one comment on a review said, it's unfortunate that a book like this has to be published to tell people what they should already know. Then he lists some items that he feels should be common knowledge.
lol...sound like a hypocrite I know.
You can read a selection of 30 page on the link below. Sould give a good impression of the book.
http://books.google.nl/books?id=_XRn7QuMAwMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Jerome+Conspiracy&num=100&hl=en#PPP1,M1
And 64 pages:
http://thejeromeconspiracy.com/pdf/The_Jerome_Conspiracy.pdf
I ordered this book about two weeks ago so it should hopefully arrive this week. I read the sample and was 'hooked'. It wasn't until after I'd ordered it that I realised I usually frown on obtaining 'truth' that I have to pay for. (I'm not meaning specialised books like concordances etc). Anyway, I'll give you some feedback once I've read it and would welcome anyone else's feedback if they get a chance to read it. :winkgrin:
I've read the pages that are for free, very usefull verses in the LXX where aionios without doubt doesn't mean eternal, as far as I was able to read, I enjoyed it.
Ok, I've just read it. Very interesting......... If any of you guys could get hold of a copy I'd be interested to review this book. It covers UR mainly, but also other stuff to do with the Hebrew OT and Septuagint translations and Jerome giving us a dodgy Bible. If any one does get a chance to read it and wants to discuss it please PM me as I'll probably forget to check this thread.... :icon_flower:
what does this book say about the Dead See Srolls?
Do you think it's worth to buy? - does the author give sources on historical documents?
It mentions the documents and which cave they were from. There are lots of references which I need to check. I've lent it to my daughter. You can get it quite cheaply on ebay or amazon so it's worth checking out. Let me know if you read it. :happygrin:
No I haven't read the book at. But I would like to get the book review of it. I like to read the books and I usually go through the reviews of the book if I need to purchase one. Now there are also some affordable book review service (http://cheapessaywritingservice.us/book_review_offers.php) available online. I used to check the opinions and views of the readers of the book before buying it. I am looking for some books to buy. So I would like to know about the reviews of this book too.
See reply #3
I've read the book, which is written as a novel. When you cut away the fluff 10% of the pages are left.
The conspiracy is that Jerome was very creative in selecting books that he added to the Bible. He left some out because they didn't align with the views of his denomination. Likewise he added some books to support his views.
Note this is not about apocryphal books or the RCC having more books that the Protestants; because those things apply to every Bible of every denomination.
The book also discusses the quality of the Hebrew manuscripts. Roughly speaking there are two main groups. The Babylonian and Egyptian versions/group. They are very similar but not the same. The conclusion from the book is that the OT we use is based on the wrong set of manuscripts. When you search internet on certain quotes of Jesus that agree fairly well with the Hebrew OT but even better (exactly) with the LXX it's often concluded Jesus didn't really intend to directly quote the OT but merely give an indication or mix it with His own knowledge. The Jerome conspiracy shows that Jesus quotes were from that other source/group of OT manuscripts.
I think many won't like the 'challenge' of this book. To those people I would say: Move one. Spend your $ on something else.
For those who prefer to learn above being at ease: Buy.
I haven't read it, but I certainly will! I'm almost done with the 30 page intro which link was posted above -
http://books.google.nl/books?id=_XRn7QuMAwMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Jerome+Conspiracy&num=100&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Jerome%20Conspiracy&f=false
And have taken notes on the references so far given so i can look them up..
One thing I don't understand tho, is how is it figured 'hell' is in the writings of the Hebrew Old Testament?
It's been my intention to read the writings of the early church fathers for myself.. this may get me doing it, especially as right now my money is all tied up so no "The Jerome Conspiracy" for me right away! but I'm looking forward to reading the rest of it.. :smile:
The Septuagint of course is the translation of the Hebrew Old Testament into Greek for the world at the time was Greek (Hellenistic). Even dispersed Israel used the Greek language more than the Hebrew.. the Septuagint is what was available in Jesus' day and the early church..
..from what I understand the "apocrapha" is included, showing their histories were accepted by early Jews.. but Jesus nor the apostles didn't quote from them..
..the book of enoch isn't in it, but we know Jude mentions Enoch as prophesying but whether referring to written text or handed down legend probably cannot be known..
this site looks promising..
- http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/
Quote from: Cat on March 29, 2009, 05:52:05 PM
It mentions the documents and which cave they were from. There are lots of references which I need to check. I've lent it to my daughter. You can get it quite cheaply on ebay or amazon so it's worth checking out. Let me know if you read it. :happygrin:
thanks! :smile:
Quote from: sven on March 28, 2009, 06:53:02 PM
what does this book say about the Dead See Srolls?
Do you think it's worth to buy? - does the author give sources on historical documents?
I've started researching what's mentioned in the free to read preview -
http://books.google.nl/books?id=_XRn7QuMAwMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Jerome+Conspiracy&num=100&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Jerome%20Conspiracy&f=false
I came across a reference to the Dead Sea Scrolls here - http://www.septuagint.net/Septuagint.htm An interesting short article which includes:
--- "Comparisons of the Dead Sea Scrolls to the Masoretic Text and the Septuagint show that where there are differences between the Masoretic Text (the early Hebrew text of the Old Testament) and the Septuagint, approximately 95% of those differences are shared between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic text, while only 5% of those differences are shared between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint. Does this mean that the Septuagint is unreliable and that our Old Testament is wrought with contradictory sources? No. It is imperative to note that these "variations" are extremely minor (i.e., grammatical errors, spelling differences or missing words) and do not affect the meaning of sentences and paragraphs. (An exception is the book of Jeremiah, in which the actual passages are arranged differently.) None of the differences, however, come close to affecting any area of teaching or doctrine. The majority of the Septuagint, Masoretic Text and the Dead Sea Scrolls are remarkably similar and have dispelled unfounded theories that the Biblical text has been corrupted by time and conspiracy. Furthermore, these variations do not call into question the infallibility of God in preserving His word. Although the original documents are inerrant, translators and scribes are human beings..."
..all very interesting I think.. :smile:
Quote from: marie glen on November 03, 2014, 07:35:58 PM
The Septuagint of course is the translation of the Hebrew Old Testament into Greek for the world at the time was Greek (Hellenistic). Even dispersed Israel used the Greek language more than the Hebrew.. the Septuagint is what was available in Jesus' day and the early church..
This is an opinion, in my opinion :o)
There are well regarded scholars with different opinions about this.
Quote from: eaglesway on November 03, 2014, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: marie glen on November 03, 2014, 07:35:58 PM
The Septuagint of course is the translation of the Hebrew Old Testament into Greek for the world at the time was Greek (Hellenistic). Even dispersed Israel used the Greek language more than the Hebrew.. the Septuagint is what was available in Jesus' day and the early church..
This is an opinion, in my opinion :o)
There are well regarded scholars with different opinions about this.
Some branches of dispersed Israel used Greek - for instance, the Israeli part of the Parthian Empire, and those living in the eastern part of the Roman Empire. Other branches typically took up the language of the country they settled in, and I'm sure Hebrew had an impact on the local language too. As I always say, the History 101 level of things will only get you so far...
During and before the time of Jesus, there wasn't just one version of Aramaic being used in Judea and beyond. Some Aramaic was official and formal. This is preserved, as you would expect, in official documents and inscriptions. Some was informal and common. This was spoken and has mostly been lost to modern scholars. The fact that Aramaic was used by Jews in Judea is supported by its use in some of the Dead Sea Scrolls (which are mostly in Hebrew, however), and in some ancient documents and inscriptions. Even many grave inscriptions around Jerusalem are in Aramaic, not Hebrew. It's most likely that in Galilee, where Jesus was raised and where he began his ministry, Aramaic was the most common language of the people, though many would have been able to understand Hebrew and to get along in Greek as well.
Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/series/what-language-did-jesus-speak-why-does-it-matter/#ixzz3I2LjYiPb
There are other views, opposed to the above one. I just posted this one because it is close to my view.