Jehovah's Witnesses claim that this backs the total banishment of wicked (annihilation), while Hell supporters probably claim it's a reference to never ending torture. What does it mean in the universalism context?
Well if ET is true, then there is no point in saying that the wicked will be no more because they will actually still exist except they will be tortured forever.
Proverbs 23
4Do not weary yourself to gain wealth,
Cease from your consideration of it.
5 When you set your eyes on it, it is gone (Hebrew - ayin).
For wealth certainly makes itself wings
Like an eagle that flies toward the heavens.
The context in this particular use of the word "gone" is not that the wealth has literally disintegrated, but that it leaves its place, you spend it up. It's temporary in its place in your wallet.
When God drives out the wicked, that doesn't necessarily mean he disintegrated them, but that they are gone from their place, driven out.
A man had leprosy.
He was called a leper.
Yeshua came along and healed the leprosy in the leper.
The leper is no more, not because he no longer exists, but because what made him a leper was done away with.
Ronen
Quote from: gregoryfl on August 22, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
A man had leprosy.
He was called a leper.
Yeshua came along and healed the leprosy in the leper.
The leper is no more, not because he no longer exists, but because what made him a leper was done away with.
Ronen
Spot on! (No pun intended...)
You have to ask yourself:
Are the wicked no more because God destroyed them?
or
Are the wicked no more because God made them un-wicked?
Quote from: Lazarus Short on August 22, 2014, 03:18:40 PM
You have to ask yourself:
Are the wicked no more because God destroyed them?
or
Are the wicked no more because God made them un-wicked?
good question laz
and you also have to wonder is this evil spirits working in mankind that are given to judgment
or evil men ? what makes men evil ?
why in the 4 gospels especially in Mark does Jesus do so much "healing " the sick and cast out , what ? evil thoughts , just evil thoughts in man to act on ? evil thought and evil spirits have a torment of themselves many a mankind cannot live with them I believe evil thoughts come from evil spirits ! against the very nature of God
Is suicide an act of an evil spirit working
murder ? what causes one to murder ?
I watched a show where a thirteen year old red headed freckled face kid was in prison for crushing a 4 year old neighbor boy with a large creek rock by the stream
when asked WHY? why did you do this , that kid had no clue as to why he done that , totally lost for a reason why he done such a wicked thing
why do any of us do/ act IN wicked things ??????Definition. wicked, criminal. guilty one, one guilty of crime (subst); wicked (hostile to God); wicked, guilty of sin (against God or man) evil by nature and in practice
So much wickedness is swept under the rugs of society with no answers nor justice , It will take the cleansing effects of the fires of Gods consuming love to put an end to the violence we all have become "numb " to because it is prevalent in this world the old man is dying and the new man in Christ is being renewed [made day by day ] the Light of Christ in the knowledge of God
one must realize this and eyes be opened before any healing of Christ begins
God is the only one doing the work though Christ Jesus right now and its HIS GLORY ALONE that no man can boast about except you KNOW IT IS THE TRUTH !
Quote from: Lazarus Short on August 22, 2014, 03:18:40 PM
You have to ask yourself:
Are the wicked no more because God destroyed them?
or
Are the wicked no more because God made them un-wicked?
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