http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/683035-jesus-willing-some-shall-perish.html
I came about that doctrine here, have you ever heard of it? the reasoning goes the following, some humans are seed of the serpent, or devil, God hates them and predestinated them to hell or something like that...
is this doctrine a new invention or does it exist already for a while?
I've seen the doctrine before. Perhaps there are different variations but "some humans" should be "many humans".
According to that doctrine Eve had sex with the serpent. You can imagine if the serpent seed is introduced so early in the bloodline it's not just a few affected. More likely (almost) all
I would say another doctrine that makes God a failure and satan the big winner.
Another fantasy of 'the elect'.
it's a doctrine of the Calvinists, isn't it?
Quote from: sven on June 22, 2009, 08:20:13 PM
it's a doctrine of the Calvinists, isn't it?
Not all calvinist but some, there are extremes in all groups.
chuckt
I have heard that doctrine, supposedly Cain and Abel was twins Abel was the seed of Adam and Eve, Cain was the seed of the serpent.
There are some that believe the serpent wasn't really a serpent but had sex with Eve and this produced Cain.
My thoughts for what it is worth is that Cain inherited genes less desirable than Abel, same father.
Quote from: SQ on June 22, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
There are some that believe the serpent wasn't really a serpent
nuchush means: snake,
sorcery, foretelling the future (divination), calculating, sly, cunning, shrewd and guileful
So could mean a sorceror
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 22, 2009, 09:02:49 PM
Quote from: SQ on June 22, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
There are some that believe the serpent wasn't really a serpent
nuchush means: snake, sorcery, foretelling the future (divination), calculating, sly, cunning, shrewd and guileful
So could mean a sorceror
Thanks that makes sense.
2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity [fn] that is in Christ.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"
before the serpent was curesed HE was the advisary, a liar, after the curse, he remained the advisary and liar, HE was and is still the same as from the beginning.
The MIND has ALWAYS been the battle ground.
intersting that naked and subtil come from the same word.
aruwm...subtil
naked = from H6191 (in its original sense)
check it out.
chuckt
Chuck good one :thumbsup:
the serpent seed is a false assumption to me SQ by the cain and Abel verses
when Jesus told those you are of your father the devil , to me it was a unclean spirit that they possessed by their fruits , you will know them the tree of knowledge of good and evil , we are to make the tree good and fruit good/ born again or corrupt as in Adam two seeds corruptible /prone to decay and rot , loss and incorruptible /pure , one of a kind, holy
God told Cain that if he done well he would be accepted
and sin lies at the door and his desire was for him , but God told Cain to rule over it /sin that maybe why Paul in the NT says he kept his body under subjection /rule over it , that after he preached to other could be a castaway
Cain was given the same chance as Abel by these verses in Gen 4
but they had different callings / duty
abel of the sheep and Cain tiller of the ground , same as his father Adam by the sweat of his brow would he eat bread and God spoke this Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 4
5but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. 6The LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it."
Cain = "possession" a spear he slew his brother abel= breath vanity meadow
cain 1) eldest son of Adam and Eve and the first murderer having murdered his brother Abel
n pr gent
Kenite = "smiths"
2) the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai
this to me is when sin entered his heart and he acted on it out of anger /wrath Jam 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
This is a bit all over the place , :mblush:
Yes, I heard of this just the past year. I know someone who believes this and they also believe that the LOF is a place that God will destroy some people, not purify them.
whatever you believe or not, Cain is never mentioned in Adam's geneaology lineage...Adams' lineage goes through Seth
that makes me wonder, to say the least....
Quote from: noname on June 24, 2009, 10:33:12 AM
whatever you believe or not, Cain is never mentioned in Adam's geneaology lineage...Adams' lineage goes through Seth
that makes me wonder, to say the least....
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
For me the verse pretty much says Adam was the father of Cain.
Few alternative translations:
LXE Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and brought forth Cain and said, I have gained a man through God.
NAS Genesis 4:1 Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."
NET Genesis 4:1 Now the man had marital relations with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. Then she said, "I have created a man just as the LORD did!"
YLT Genesis 4:1 And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, 'I have gotten a man by Jehovah;'
Isn't the serpent seed doctrine to Lilith (the skreech owl)?
not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
cain was a ground tiller = carnal.
from the very beginning we see the carnal and the spiritual, the earthly and the heavenky, the older persecuting the younger.
its for us an ensample to us.
peace
euty
Quote from: chuckt on June 24, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
cain was a ground tiller = carnal.
from the very beginning we see the carnal and the spiritual, the earthly and the heavenky, the older persecuting the younger.
its for us an ensample to us.
peace
euty
right on Euty , it was his works that were judged
note in many places it is the
works judged NOT the person
works Strong's G2041 - ergon
1)
business, employment, that which any one is occupieda) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
3)
an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work dead works verses live ones :winkgrin:
Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that
I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Chuckt, RoseY,
I know earth is some kinda synonym for death.
OTOH I see many harvesting being done in the Bible. A good example is The Sower parable. I don't think it's implying Jesus is the/a sower of death.
Speaking of works... I thought Abel offered quality stuff to God (firstlings) and Cain just offered fruits. (not of the best quality)
Why that makes him a (potential) murderer escapes me I have to add.
I believe possibly what made Cain a murder of his brother was jealousy.
Cain was selfish he didn't want to give his best to God where Abel was happy to give his best offerings.
Cain had a sinful heart from the start.
This is just my thoughts.
Quote from: SQ on June 25, 2009, 07:26:08 AM
I believe possibly what made Cain a murder of his brother was jealousy.
Cain was selfish he didn't want to give his best to God where Abel was happy to give his best offerings.
Cain had a sinful heart from the start.
This is just my thoughts.
yes but simple put it was carnality, in his mind carnality would produce this jealousy that being the ""spirit"" OF HIM. producing the works of death.
woot.
God bless yall and thanks
chuckt/euty
Yepper Carnality /flesh/dust
Adams was dust/flesh you are and dust you shall return
WW the Lord plants life/seeds in the dust and waters with His doctrine/teaching
we also know by scriptures that dust is the serpents food what it survives on
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
Mic 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee.
Deu 32:24 [They shall be] burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
to me it is a type of carnal thinking that destroys and thrives on our fleshly thoughts that is an emnity against the Spiritual Law of mercy and grace and righteous judgment / holy thinking and thoughts ........
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Psa 72:9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
an old serpent that eats dust /flesh of Adam of the earth
:icon_flower:
Quote from: rosered on June 25, 2009, 03:05:04 PM
Yepper Carnality /flesh/dust
Adams was dust/flesh you are and dust you shall return
WW the Lord plants life/seeds in the dust and waters with His
ground to powder mixed with living water made a new lump :bgdance:
Quote from: chuckt on June 25, 2009, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: rosered on June 25, 2009, 03:05:04 PM
Yepper Carnality /flesh/dust
Adams was dust/flesh you are and dust you shall return
WW the Lord plants life/seeds in the dust and waters with His
ground to powder mixed with living water made a new lump :bgdance:
good one Chuckt :thumbsup:
scattered abroad :2c:
Nah 3:18 Thy shepherds slumber, O king of Assyria: thy nobles shall dwell [in the dust]: thy people is scattered upon the mountains, and no man gathereth [them].
:cloud9: This contains some understanding that He gave me last week, that I already posted, but it struck me it was applicable in this thread too.........
The state of the tongue, is that which has worms in it. It is what will eventually speak us into walking in the outer court realm PERMANENTLY (as in not a firstfruits of this dispensation, but raised up later), where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, seeing what we could have had, if only we had not loved our own lives/ways more than His, ie. if you are lukewarm I will spit you out of My mouth.
The tongue is an unruly member and no man can tame it. We eat of the fruit of our own lips; we are judged by our own wickedness. Out of the abundance (harvest term) of the heart, the mouth speaks. This is how it works.
Evil spirit = a breath. It speaks as a thought to us, which is why the first article of our armor is the HELMET of salvation. If we take that thought/breath it "FALLS" from our "heaven/mind", ie. turns into a seed in our flesh/heart/soul. This is why we are told to take every THOUGHT into captivity of the mind of Christ.
Our soul is as a woman's womb; it will reproduce whatever seed is planted in it. If we continue to water that seed (give it life for expression) it will grow, and produce fruit in our lives, eventually. This is why hate is as the sin of murder; hate is the seed, but murder is the fruit. That which is not visible and inward, becomes visible and an outward manifestation/murder.
When the Lord said He beheld Satan (as a collective of evil, that which is in opposition to the mind of Christ) fall from heaven as lightning; He was saying Satan appeared in our heavens (minds) as revelation appears ie. like lightning, but as carnal knowledge (= our ways), and "he" fell to the earth/our wombs, as seed, as we accepted his thoughts.
Seed time and harvest is an unbreakable principle of the Kingdom, whether or not someone is aware of it or not, does not matter; sowing and reaping continue. The good news is, as we seek His face/nature with our whole heart, it is counted as entering into His rest, though we may not "live" there yet, in full experience. And in the 7th year (day) no field was to be planted, ie. it RESTED.
What that means is, in the 7th day (day is like a THOUSAND YEARS), there was a "crop failure", ordained by God. So as we press in to receive more and more of our true Sabbath which is Christ, that seed that was planted by the enemy, will also have a "crop failure" ordained by God, until those that are seeking His face, will say; the prince of this world (prince of the powers of the AIR/breath) cometh, but he hath nothing in me.
And the last enemy to be overcome is DEATH = glorified body that had a "crop failure", where the tares are concerned. Sin, when it hath conceived, bringeth forth death. But sin, is destined to have a "crop failure", as the mind of Christ, our REST/Sabbath, claims what is His, and shall appear suddenly in His temple, whose temple we are. That which is not visible/Christ in us the hope of glory, becomes visible, ie. the glory manifested outwardly = a HARVEST.
This principle is why the serpent has grown to be a dragon by the end of times/days, ie. he was fed by the imaginations of men's minds/hearts, which God said only devises wickedness continually. How much of the fire of God (Gehenna) do we need to burn up that which we have had planted by agreement/covenant with the enemy of our souls? Mshock Blessings....
cardinal,
that sounds like a bunch of goobly gook.........JUST KIDDING :winkgrin:
you said:
QuoteOur soul is as a woman's womb; it will reproduce whatever seed is planted in it. If we continue to water that seed (give it life for expression) it will grow, and produce fruit in our lives, eventually. This is why hate is as the sin of murder; hate is the seed, but murder is the fruit. That which is not visible and inward, becomes visible and an outward manifestation/murder.
this rings very true to me, and hits home, wont share why, but the renewing of the mind comes to the forfront.
the battle is definatly in the mind, which i beleive ARE the high places/heavenlies so to speak.
The new name written IN our foreheads, foreheads=mind.
thanks
chuckt
:cloud9: :grin: :laughing7: :winkgrin:
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 25, 2009, 03:10:39 AM
Chuckt, RoseY,
I know earth is some kinda synonym for death.
OTOH I see many harvesting being done in the Bible. A good example is The Sower parable. I don't think it's implying Jesus is the/a sower of death.
Speaking of works... I thought Abel offered quality stuff to God (firstlings) and Cain just offered fruits. (not of the best quality)
Why that makes him a (potential) murderer escapes me I have to add.
Cain was a farmer like Adam (but not a priest). I can just see him tilling the fields, working hard, sweat of his brow and all that, and then offering the fruits of his hard work to God.
When it was rejected, he felt rejected. His brother's sacrifice was a bit easier to come by, after all, what did Abel do? Hang out in the fields all day, playing his lyre? For the most part, watching over sheep all day is pretty easy work, since they don't do much and always follow the leader.
Which was the point, really, but Cain missed it, and then got angry when he decided his good work was rejected, and then hated his righteous brother who seemed to reap rewards without working as hard, and this anger and jealousy boiled over to murder.
This is a hard lesson we learn from Cain, and not an intuitive one. Cain is evil before he murders Abel. Why?
Because he thinks his own work is of some value to God, whereas all we have to offer God of value is Christ.
1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
You know what's interesting about that scripture? There are two kinds of works: Cain's works (evil) and Abel's works (righteous). In that, I see the difference between works of the law (our own righteousness, dirty rags), and works that come through faith (Christ's righteousness worked through us). In type and shadow, Abel's works were not his own though he was the hands and feet of Christ working through him (in type/shadow). The body casting the shadow is Christ, and his people are that body, doing the works that come by faith which we attribute to Christ ("I, yet not I"), not the works of our own hands. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ for good works.
I hope this isn't a :hijacked:
About serpent seed: :thumbdown:
Quote from: sven on June 22, 2009, 06:58:56 PM
http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/683035-jesus-willing-some-shall-perish.html
I came about that doctrine here, have you ever heard of it? the reasoning goes the following, some humans are seed of the serpent, or devil, God hates them and predestinated them to hell or something like that...
is this doctrine a new invention or does it exist already for a while?
IU have heard of it One of the Infamous supporters Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherds Chapel (listed and about every apologetics website as a cult) And there seems to be a video of Pastor Murray waving a gun in someones face.. Though I have never seen it( I have seen the links just was never interested enough to look)
Quote from: Seth on June 26, 2009, 08:10:53 PM
You know what's interesting about that scripture? There are two kinds of works: Cain's works (evil) and Abel's works (righteous). In that, I see the difference between works of the law (our own righteousness, dirty rags), and works that come through faith (Christ's righteousness worked through us). In type and shadow, Abel's works were not his own though he was the hands and feet of Christ working through him (in type/shadow). The body casting the shadow is Christ, and his people are that body, doing the works that come by faith which we attribute to Christ ("I, yet not I"), not the works of our own hands. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ for good works.
I hope this isn't a :hijacked:
About serpent seed: :thumbdown:
will its more about Seth , = "compensation" ,Seth lol thanAbel
speaking better things than that of Abel
I do believe that Abel this blood cries out for vengance
where as in Christ it is forgiven
Seth
Hebel Hebrew 1893
Strong's H1892 - hebel הבל
Transliteration
hebel
Pronunciation
heh'bel (Key)
Part of Speech
adverb
Root Word (Etymology)
from H1891
TWOT Reference
463a
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) vapour, breath
a) breath, vapour
b)
vanity (fig.)adv
2)
vainly Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she],
hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name
Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Rose, I was talking more about what Abel's work symbolized, not what it was in itself. The type/shadow is not the "very thing."
Think about this scripture for a moment:
Luke 11:48-51
"So you are witnesses and approve the deeds of your fathers; because it was they who killed them, and you build their tombs. "For this reason also the wisdom of God said, 'I will send to them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and some they will persecute, so that the blood of all the prophets, shed since the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation.'
Remember? They do the deeds of their fathers? Who do they persecute? Who did Ishmael persecute: Isaac (the son of the promise). Cain represents the persecutor of the one who does the works according to faith and knows that by the law shall no man be made righteous. From the persecution of the faith-worker, Abel is made dead and a new son is born, a new man.
James 1
2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations (trials - persecutions);
3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
By the works which come through faith which therefore are the working of Christ through us, an old man dies, and a new man is born in his place.
Quote from: Seth on June 27, 2009, 09:24:32 PM
Rose, I was talking more about what Abel's work symbolized, not what it was in itself. The type/shadow is not the "very thing."
Hi Seth ,
yes ,I too was meaning symbolically bro .
Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done?
the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground Hbr 12:24 And to
Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.See that
ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more [shall not] we [escape], if we turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven:
Hbr 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for
he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people. Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were
slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And
they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.
I just see that the
BLOOD of Jesus speaks of better things than vengance as the servants of the Lord even Abel 's blood speaks
all symbolically to me
:icon_flower:
just bringing these things up thats all no argument from me :HeartThrob:
Rose, I wasn't taking it as an argument :HeartThrob:
Just wanted to be clear. The Bible does say that Christ's blood is better than Able's blood. I think the reason that Christ's blood speaks better things than that of Able is because His sacrifice was the "very thing" that Able's animal sacrifice foreshadowed. In other word's Christ's sacrifice was better than Able's animal, because Christ sacrificed himself for the ungodly, and Able sacrificed for his own sin.
God bless. :cloud9:
Interesting.
25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
--Gen 4
Seth is an appointed substitute for Abel, standing in his place as the righteous son.
"instead of" [Abel]
H8478
תּחת
tachath
takh'-ath
From the same as H8430; the bottom (as depressed); only adverbially below (often with prepositional prefix underneath), in lieu of, etc.: - as, beneath, X flat, in (-stead), (same) place (where . . . is), room, for . . . sake, stead of, under, X unto, X when . . . was mine, whereas, [where-] fore, with.
Seth's name means, "substitute." But, there is no basic difference between Seth and Abel (whose name means 'transitory' or 'vanity.') Seth, too, will be transitory like his older brother. Death is still reigning.
But, both Seth and Abel have a better substitute to offer in their place, the firstborn lamb of their flock, without spot or blemish. Later, we will see Abraham being offered a ram ("strength") as a substitute for his own son,
13And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
--Gen 22
And, yet, even though all these substitutes, man and [beast by proxy], are 'righteous,' the root word for 'tachath'--in the stead of-- is 'tôach,' which means "to humble."
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
--Phil 2
QuoteBut, there is no basic difference between Seth and Abel (whose name means 'transitory' or 'vanity.') Seth, too, will be transitory like his older brother. Death is still reigning.
Right. The shadows are not the very thing. :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:
We all have a replacement too, when talking about the "very thing." I am crucified. I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me. In that sense, Abel and Seth represent one thing: the man who works by faith dies, and is replaced by another.
:2c: :HeartThrob:
:icon_flower:
Yes, and the substitute has to stand in the exact place of the one he is substituting for--like Seth and Abel, one stands in the place of the other, like Jonathan and David, their souls becoming entwined.
"a ram"
H352
איל
'ayil
ah'-yil
From the same as H193; properly strength; hence anything strong; specifically a chief (politically); also a ram (from his strength); a pilaster (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree: - mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.
"caught"
H270
אחז
'âchaz
aw-khaz'
A primitive root; to seize (often with the accessory idea of holding in possession): - + be affrighted, bar, (catch, lay, take) hold (back), come upon, fasten, handle, portion, (get, have or take) possess (-ion).
"in a thicket"
H5442
סבך
sebâk
seb-awk'
From H5440; a copse: - thick (-et).
H5440
סבך
sâbak
saw-bak'
A primitive root; to entwine: - fold together, wrap.
"by his horns"
H7161
קרן
qeren
keh'-ren
From H7160; a horn (as projecting); by implication a flask, cornet; by resemblance an elephant's tooth (that is, ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively power: - X hill, horn.
Is this what real power does--a power that is based on love? We can catch a glimpse of this through our love for our own children and what we will do for them--using whatever power we have at their service, changing places with them in a heartbeat if it would save them.
2 Corinthians 5:21
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
What's the just of the serpent seed doctrine? Beloved 57 over at City-Data seems to believe in it.
Honestly, if any of it has to do with Eve getting raped by the serpent (or, as somebody pointed out, possibly "sorcerer"), it sounds ridiculous to me, only because I don't know of anything that supports such an idea.
That's close. As I have heard it, the idea centers around that Eve reproduced with Satan and the Canaanites were born, which are the demons-disguised-as-humans. One of their proof texts for their doctrine is when Jesus says "You are of your father the devil." They take that to mean that Satan is their literal biological father.
:Whistle:
As Jesus said the seed is the word and just as He speaks the word that is a seed so did the serpent
When the serpent spoke and Eve and Adam accepted that word it became the serpent seed in their hearts
So God cursed the serpent and the earth together as one and ALL of mankind since then has had the serpent seed within them.
It is under the law of the seed that brings forth in its own image that is a reproduction of its source that in this case was the serpent whose word is contrary to God's Word aka a sin.
Because it is "by law" Paul called it to be the law of sin that lived in his members that by definition is a principality that brings forth a life even though it is a life destined for death
So the scriptures say......... In Adam all men die......... and in Adam and from Eve all men are born
To say that the serpent seed is not in all of mankind is to miss the mark and not understand the Word of God.
Blessings
Doug
Words are very important....and, yet, we use them so casually...
Hebrews 11:3
3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Quote from: Molly on June 29, 2009, 06:05:39 AM
Words are very important....and, yet, we use them so casually...
Hebrews 11:3
3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
CLV
11:3 By faith we are apprehending the eons to adjust to a declaration of God, so that what is being observed has not come out of what is appearing.
How did the serpent seed survive the Flood?
Quote from: WhiteWings on July 07, 2009, 06:21:08 PM
How did the serpent seed survive the Flood?
i ask that all the time, they obfuscate.
chuckt
:cloud9: WW, you keep on blessing me with the depth of your insights and questions. :thumbsup:
A comment; when we receive Him and are baptized in water it as the flood of waters, symbolizing the death to the flesh realm. So how indeed does anything in our flesh survive that? :winkgrin: Blessings....
Quote from: WhiteWings on July 07, 2009, 06:21:08 PM
How did the serpent seed survive the Flood?
Odds are 7-1, in the hearts/minds of men/women without Grace. :dbook:
serpent /death
Jesus /LIFE
that simple .. :thumbsup:
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
greater is He that is IN you than in the world what is in the world BUT that spirit of error
:HeartThrob:
Quote from: rosered on July 09, 2009, 04:45:07 PM
serpent /death
Jesus /LIFE
that simple .. :thumbsup:
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
greater is He that is IN you than in the world what is in the world BUT that spirit of error
:HeartThrob:
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo, Roseyrose!~! are you saying that the
serpent "seed" is the "spirit of error" ............well, I'll declare!!! I think
LIFE will and has taken care of that!
Jesus is a LIFE "doctrine!!!"
The "doctrine" of LIFE, LOVE, that "flows" from the "throne" .......a
River of LIFE with NO END. Ever increasing. A Kingdom of JOY!
A Merciful Saviour! A King of PEACE. A Covenant Himself. Keeps
popping up, don't He?
Love you girl.
Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 09, 2009, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: rosered on July 09, 2009, 04:45:07 PM
serpent /death
Jesus /LIFE
that simple .. :thumbsup:
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
greater is He that is IN you than in the world what is in the world BUT that spirit of error
:HeartThrob:
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo, Roseyrose!~! are you saying that the
serpent "seed" is the "spirit of error" ............well, I'll declare!!! I think
LIFE will and has taken care of that!
Jesus is a LIFE "doctrine!!!"
The "doctrine" of LIFE, LOVE, that "flows" from the "throne" .......a
River of LIFE with NO END. Ever increasing. A Kingdom of JOY!
A Merciful Saviour! A King of PEACE. A Covenant Himself. Keeps
popping up, don't He?
Love you girl.
Yes it is True Sista Red , and I love you too sis!!!
Luk 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for
his word was with power. Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said,
My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself. Jhn 7:18 He that speaks of himself seeks his own glory: but he that seeks his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. :thumbsup: :icon_flower:
good to see you :cloud9: and about sis !! i do declare as well :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 09, 2009, 07:13:19 PM
Quote from: rosered on July 09, 2009, 04:45:07 PM
serpent /death
Jesus /LIFE
that simple .. :thumbsup:
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
greater is He that is IN you than in the world what is in the world BUT that spirit of error
:HeartThrob:
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo, Roseyrose!~! are you saying that the
serpent "seed" is the "spirit of error" ............well, I'll declare!!! I think
LIFE will and has taken care of that!
Jesus is a LIFE "doctrine!!!"
The "doctrine" of LIFE, LOVE, that "flows" from the "throne" .......a
River of LIFE with NO END. Ever increasing. A Kingdom of JOY!
A Merciful Saviour! A King of PEACE. A Covenant Himself. Keeps
popping up, don't He?
Love you girl.
Beautiful. Thank you ladies.
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.[spirit of]
"error"G4106
πλάνη
planēplan'-ay
Feminine of G4108 (as abstraction); objectively
fraudulence; subjectively a straying from orthodoxy or piety: - deceit,
to deceive, delusion, error.
G4108
πλάνος
planosplan'-os
Of uncertain affinity;
roving (as a tramp), that is, (by implication)
an impostor or misleader: -
deceiver, seducing.8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:--1 Peter 5
Good one Molly , thanks sis love you :HeartThrob:
awesome chapter 1Jo 4 :thumbsup:
It's a teaching of William Branham
http://en.believethesign.com/index.php?title=Serpent's_Seed
I came across this name, according to the German wikipedia entry he taught annihilation
I think that is right .
Although man has the serpent seed within him as William Branham taught however this man was in error as to how that evil seed came to be in man
As usual the church represented by the jews whom said they were not of any fornication are clueless as to how the serpent seed came to be in man. Although the jews and the church are now separate both of them are still clueless to the truth but it can be found in God's law of the seed
When Eve and Adam ate the fruit of the forbidden tree they ate the fruit from that tree and as all fruit it contains the seed of the host. In this case the tree was the knowledge of good and evil and so were the seeds both good and evil. That is how Adam and Eve brought forth both good and evil that were represented through Abel and Cain
The good is the measure of faith that is given to all of mankind and the evil is the serpent seed that is what becomes the law of sin in mankind........ now was this an actual tree that Adam and Eve ate from?
Think about that and then share your thoughts
Blessings
Doug
Quote from: Livelystone on July 11, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
...was this an actual tree that Adam and Eve ate from ...share your thoughts
How many are there who understand that they have a moral nature (good/evil), and a spiritual nature? And even when they do know that, how many still delight themselves within their fleshly, worldly desires?
There are two parts of our mind, which are quite different. As both trees are within each person. Some may have a small tree of knowledge, although they experience the tree, having life. Whereas, it can be the other way around, ever learning. Are we merely eating to survive?
The idea that the world was round was a revolutionary idea and many people had a difficult time accepting it because they thought it was flat, even to suggest that the world was round was to invite death or persecution.
Is the external garden of Eden or "delight" a geographical location, only as far as one can humanly see, or internal, within the midst of our being?
There is coming a change on the horizon in which our thoughts will no longer be separate, or about self; a new day.
"The right seed sown in our mind from a correct heart, will reap plants; but the wrong thoughts will destroy any growth."
peacemaker
Quote from: peacemaker on July 11, 2009, 08:21:51 AM
"The right seed sown in our mind from a correct heart, will reap plants; but the wrong thoughts will destroy any growth."
But never kill the seed/plant.....?
Quote from: WhiteWings on July 15, 2009, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: peacemaker on July 11, 2009, 08:21:51 AM
"The right seed sown in our mind from a correct heart, will reap plants; but the wrong thoughts will destroy any growth."
But never kill the seed/plant.....?
"Only if it produces rotten fruit."If you plant honesty; You will reap trust.
If you plant goodness; You will reap friends.
If you plant humility; You will reap greatness.
If you plant perseverance; You will reap victory.
If you plant consideration; You will reap harmony.
If you plant hard work; You will reap success.
If you plant forgiveness; You will reap reconciliation.
If you plant openness; You will reap intimacy.
If you plant patience; You will not reap becoming one.
If you plant faith; You will reap miracles.
If you plant love; You will be rich in it.
However ...
If your thoughts become dishonest; You will reap distrust.
If your thoughts become selfishness; You will reap loneliness.
If your thoughts become prideful; You will reap destruction.
If your thoughts begin to envy, You will reap trouble.
If your thought is to do less, becoming lazy; You will reap stagnation.
If your thoughts turn to bitterness; You will reap isolation.
If you thoughts become greedy; You will reap loss.
If your thoughts are against another; You will reap enemies.
If your thoughts create worry; You will reap wrinkles.
If your thoughts are to sin; You will reap the consequences.
"What is planted today; may not be what is thought of tomorrow."
Is that all scripture peacemaker?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on July 16, 2009, 07:11:58 AM
Is that all scripture peacemaker?
Just thinking, but not sure about the wrinkles?
They could be from the loss of a smile :scratchhead: Although that's just another thought.
"If wrinkles must be written upon our brows, let them not be written upon the heart."
I was googling serpent seed doctrine, I ran upon a lady called Sherry Shriner, has anyone heard of her she seems to be Waaaaaay out there, but could be me and my lack of understanding. :dontknow: