Ephesians 2:14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Who was made one?Christ and the Father.
Jesus Christ and the Father ARE ONE.And all who are in Him are a part of that body.
Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
How did this happen?By obedience untill the death,the Light overcame the Darkness.
Luke 13:31The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
33Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus will be all and in all.Anything not in Christ will be cast into outer darkness.Away from the Light forever.
Hebrews 10:7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Do you think even people who hate His name when they have heard it have a part in His body?
Mathew 7:14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
A lot to think about. Be thoughtfull,does Jesus lie?
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Do you think even people who hate His name when they have heard it have a part in His body?
There will come a time when every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Isaiah 45:23).
At this time the world doesn't know God, but at some point in time God is going to teach the world the truth (John 6:45) "And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me".
At some point in time the whole world will come to know God and then they will repent and be saved.
(Verse 24) says that they will say, "Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength"
(Phil. 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(1John4:15) Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
If every knee bows and every tongue confesses, then the above verse says that "God dwelleth in them", that is the whole world.
God will destroy his enemies by making friends of them. We will all be in him in the end.
CHB
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Every knee shall bow, but not from heart felt love and faith as the prophets foretold..
Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
As for Satan and those in Satan....the metaphor is clear...
Isaiah 24:20
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
but of course David was not a prophet ostensibly, for would you contend with him as well??
Psalm 9:5
Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.
Psalm 37:38
But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
And Christ spoke to those, earnestly explaining the importance of faith IN HIM,...the Messiah was here calling and choosing from that time onward...
John 4:25
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Are some not claiming the harvest is yet to come? Can this be? What did Christ say?
John 4:35
Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
Shall we discard the advice of Christ and spread this ill-concieved notion about with alacrity when Jesus spoke words such as this?
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
For it is much safer to believe whole heartily in Christ and spread the importance thereof with emphatic lust, for otherwise how can we profess to run the race with enthusiasm??
Peacetroll.
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Hi Peacetroll,
I would like to respond to a couple things. Regarding the every knee shall bow verse. From the ET perspective that verse could never be fulfilled. There would be people who would never do that. They would go kicking and screaming and cursing God into the supposed unending torment. And we KNOW that God never forces people to submit to him. And thats exactly what you peacetroll are forced to believe. That God will use angels to "bend" the knees of people with the edge of a sword and force them to say Jesus is Lord. Or do you think God will use mind control? Peacetroll, you know thats NOT who Jesus is. People will bow and confess that Jesus is Lord as they come to understand the wonderful truth about God and as they are transformed by that truth.
Peacetroll, you said something about "people who hate the name of God or Jesus". Every person I've talked to like that bases their hatred on a bunch of junk they believe about God. I have a question for you Peacetroll. Lets say you are a king. Your kingdom is wonderful and you are loved because you treat your people right. Now, some distance away there is another much less powerful kingdom. One where the people are mistreated. And lies were told about you and spread in this kingdom and many of the people have hatred for you. You here about the nasty lies and in the past you have tried to let them know the truth with letters but the lies got in the way. And it grows to a point where they want you dead. And what about that other kingdom? Would you want everyone there dead just because they hate you when you know its all based on lies? Peacetroll, now what if one of them came to your kingdom to kill you or die trying. How would you respond to him? You know all his hatred is BASED on lies! You would secure him. You would have compassion on him and order him to be cared for, clothed, fed, washed,helped however needed,ect... this guy would be in awe, thinking I thought you were evil and here you are showering me with love!! All you would want is for him to know the TRUTH about you. You would keep him secured as long as it takes for that process to be completed.
Obviously my point is that God understands the hatred that is in the world.
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Hi Peacetroll,
I would like to respond to a couple things. Regarding the every knee shall bow verse. From the ET perspective that verse could never be fulfilled. There would be people who would never do that. They would go kicking and screaming and cursing God into the supposed unending torment. And we KNOW that God never forces people to submit to him. And thats exactly what you peacetroll are forced to believe. That God will use angels to "bend" the knees of people with the edge of a sword and force them to say Jesus is Lord. Or do you think God will use mind control? Peacetroll, you know thats NOT who Jesus is. People will bow and confess that Jesus is Lord as they come to understand the wonderful truth about God and as they are transformed by that truth.
Peacetroll, you said something about "people who hate the name of God or Jesus". Every person I've talked to like that bases their hatred on a bunch of junk they believe about God. I have a question for you Peacetroll. Lets say you are a king. Your kingdom is wonderful and you are loved because you treat your people right. Now, some distance away there is another much less powerful kingdom. One where the people are mistreated. And lies were told about you and spread in this kingdom and many of the people have hatred for you. You here about the nasty lies. And it grows to a point where they want you dead. And what about that other kingdom? Would you want everyone there dead just because they hate you when you know its all based on lies? Peacetroll, now what if one of them came to your kingdom to kill you or die trying. How would you respond to him? You know all his hatred is BASED on lies! You would secure him. You would have compassion on him and order him to be cared for, clothed, fed, washed,helped however needed,ect... this guy would be in awe, thinking I thought you were evil and here you are showering me with love!! All you would want is for him to know the TRUTH about you. You would keep him secured as long as it takes for that process to be completed.
Obviously my point is that God understands the hatred that is in the world.
I thought this article related to what you are saying re: kneeling.
http://www.womenbeyond.com/?c=127&a=1141
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed
blessed:
1) to bless, kneel
a) (Qal)
1) to kneel
2) to bless
b) (Niphal) to be blessed, bless oneself
c) (Piel) to bless
d) (Pual) to be blessed, be adored
e) (Hiphil) to cause to kneel
f) (Hithpael) to bless oneself
2) (TWOT) to praise, salute, curse
That was a great link! Thanks Laren.
Have you considered what the millineum is for,or what happens immediately after the millineum?
It's purpose is to divide those who love God from those who do not,the wheat from the tares.
It is not to make wheat of the tares.The two have different ends in store.Jesus told us what that is.
Matthew 13:39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
How is this to be accomplished,by what event?
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Nahum witnessed to this many years before.
Nahum 1:7The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
8But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies.
9What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
10For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
11There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor.
12Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.
Then will be accomplished what was proclaimed from the beginning!
Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.[in whom is no darkness at all]
That name is MAN,which is in heaven!
What a wonderful post to affirm the goodness behind 'every knee shall bow'....Peacetroll, I suggest you follow the link and respond rather than going onto something else.
Love, Sarah
The post was originally about the new man in Christ.That was what the last post from me was about.Explaining who and what that new man is. You just didn't look at it eh?
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Quote from: Peacetroll on December 26, 2007, 09:09:39 PM
Every knee shall bow, but not from heart felt love and faith as the prophets foretold..
Do not be a big silly. :laughing7:
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=1454.0
Nothing silly about the prophesys of God about that time.
Nahum 1:11There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor.
12Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.
This is the same thing as what follows below.
Revalation 20:7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
QuoteThe post was originally about the new man in Christ.That was what the last post from me was about.Explaining who and what that new man is. You just didn't look at it eh?
I promise I did. But it is hard to stay focused when I have to bypass what I see in scripture and try and see your interpertation.
I take you see that men are the only ones 'saved'...going to heaven, and everyone else is beasts and therefore thrown in the LOF, therefore your justification that 'all men' will be saved?
That makes no sense on so many levels.
But before I say why....is that what you mean?
Those in Christ are spiritually men.
Those not in Christ are spiritually likened to animals for a reason by Christ and the prophets.
What a true man is (spiritually), is one who is a member of Christ' family, or a son or daughter of the 'Man' in heaven of which he was the expressed image of.
Man in heaven are the true mankind, not of flesh or blood, but by the will of God.
I've discussed this deeper meaning (or spiritual meaning) of 'man' before, and when we speak of men, we are not speaking of XY chromosomes or even homo-sapiens just because their homo-sapiens.
For how did the prophets and apostels describe homo-sapiens without the love of God (which is Christ), in them?
Psalm 49:20
Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.
Psalm 73:22
So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.
Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Without Christ in us, we are merely beasts walking on 2 feet, self centered and self absorbed like a dog or a cat.
Ecclesiastes 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Surely Isaiah was speaking metaphorically (concerning the spiritual state of homo-sapiens below)...
Isaiah 13:22
And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.
And below did Jeremiah mean literal 'beasts' would lord over them??? Or did he mean spiritual 'beasts' would lord over them???
Jeremiah 15:2-4 (King James Version)
2And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the LORD; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.
3And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.
4And I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh the son of Hezekiah king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem.
The metaphors are strong and often throughout scriptures concerning beasts, animals and the spiritual condition of homo-sapiens without the Love of God indwelling.
Mankind is in Christ! And Christ is in the Man of Heaven!
Man = God in Heaven
Man-Kind = God-Kind
God Kind love and believe In God...
Therefore....
Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Galatians 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
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I understand your concepts.
You see no difference in the righteous :thumbsup: (those who believe and love Christ), and those who are wicked :thumbdown: (those who hate Christ and are murderers of women and children).
I believe the righteous are those called and chosen to have faith and love for God and it is evident in their fruits. :thumbsup:
There were three men entering into heaven. The first man looks at the second and says "what are you doing here?" He answers "Well, I was lost in sin and darkness and a friend invited me to a good church who told me about how I needed Jesus. After a long battle with pride and self I finally gave in and eventually accepted Him as my Savior"
"Great!" says the first man. And the second man says back to the first man "well, what are YOU doing here?"
And the second man answers "Well I was raised in a Christian family and I realized early on that I'd better do the right thing and be a servant of God rather than suffer the consequences, so I worked hard, studied the bible, prayed and sought God's will for my life and... well.. it WORKED! Here I am!"
THen they both looked at the third man and recognized him as the the sleazy drug dealer from down the street who was in and out of jail and constantly engaged in drunken brawls etc etc. Stunned, they both looked at him in unison and asked "WHAT IN THE WORLD are YOU doing here???
The man replied "Someone saved me"
The truth is that Christ will be all and in all, andany thing not in Christ will be cut off from the presence of God.
There are two kinds of people in the world from two different spirits,and they will never be mixed together again.
Luke 9:54And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
When this is over,ther will be one Spirit,Lord,and all His name one.He will not lose one individual part of His Body.And His name, MAN, will be one in Him.
Zechariah 14:9
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Jesus said this of this.
John 17:11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Joel prophesyed the same thing.
Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
The believers of the gentile nations were predestinated by God to be adopted sons of God.
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Articmonster.
If I misunderstood you, I apologize. It is good that you atleast comprehend the importance and the salvation that is in and only in Christ through faith.
I actually meant that I fully understand your belief that 'all men' will be eventually 'in Christ'.
I just believe Christ over others (like Paul), when it comes to who will enter the Kingdom of God (eternal Salavation); of which I do not think you do...
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Again (And Christ spoke truth):
Luke 13:22-24 (King James Version)
And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Let me speak this one out in modern terms:
Jesus is the 'straight gate'. Many will seek to enter INTO HIM, but will NOT BE ABLE TO. Those NOT written in the 'Book of Life' (which means to be IN HIM):
Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Peace in Christ.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Nahum the prophet foretold of the day when the 'wicked' or those NOT found in the Book of Life (Not in Christ), will suffer the second death...
Nahum 1
9What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
10For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
11There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor.
12Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.
They will be 'cut down' and this is a metaphor of the 'second death'.
The metaphors are very clear. The Chaff will be destroyed. The Wheat saved. The Darnel gathered and 'burned'. I guess I'm even shocked that I didn't grasp the simplicity of the metaphors for so long, so why would I be astonished that some of you do not digest it well today???!!! I am not.