more fun with a calvinist

[NinjaWizards777]

"To readdress the eternal in Rom 16:25 which includes chronos, is explained this way "The word αἰωνίοις modifies χρόνοις (noun) in Ro 16:25, word 18 (χρόνοις is within the current clausal unit, before αἰωνίοις)."(1) So the change in meaning to aionios which is frankly slight in this case being defined with in this context as "an exceedingly long period of time from an assumed beginning up to the present—'since all time, from all ages past, from the beginning of time."(2) Which is only used again in this combination once in scripture that I can find any way in 2Tim 1:9. Which would also be in reference to quite literally before the world began or to an unmeasured period of time in the past in both cases. Neither of which could properly or exegetically be applied to any of the hell references of Jesus using the word aionios. The wording however used in Rom 16:26 is stated in this way, "The word αἰωνίου modifies θεοῦ (noun) in Ro 16:26, word 12 (θεοῦ is within the current clausal unit, after αἰωνίου)."(1) Then is defined this way, pertaining to an unlimited duration of time—'eternal."(2) To which this section also references Matt 18:8 this way. "αἰώνιος: βληθῆναι εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον 'be thrown into the eternal fire' Mt 18.8"(2) The word (aionios) used in Matt 18:8 is being used in the form of a definer which is stated as " a modifier that attributes features to or further defines the word it modifies."(3) The word being modified is fire which is defined as a head term which means, "Informally, a word that does not depend/modify any other word in its group."(3) So fire is being modified by the length being stated by aionios rather then the other way around as you have previously stated. So with no modifier of aionios it can only mean eternal, forever. I have stated this as succinctly as I think I could have but certainly hope to have made my point on this word which your case stands and falls on. All this said I will await your response to this before moving on to any other points. I considered going through each use of the word aionios but I thought that would be prolix and unnecessary in this case for if Matt 18:8 means eternal exegetically then your case falls with that."

I guess what hes trying to say is aionios used with chronos makes it not eternal, otherwise everything aionios is used with is defined as eternal (as opposed to what Ive read, which says that the noun itself defines the duration of aionios)? I have various scripture showing where aion cannot possibly mean eternal but not so much its derivative aionios...help? lol

[Gab]

What exactly can be said?

Aion means "eon", a finite length of time of unspecified duration.  Aionios is the adjective form of aion.  You don't suddenly start talking about eternity when you say "hourly" instead of "hour".  This person has written a lengthy post in which he uses fancy language and notation, but at the end of the day he has basically said absolutely nothing other than "nuh-uh", which really means that no reply is either necessary or, indeed, even possible.  He has made no points whatsoever, and as such, there is really nothing to rebut.

[WhiteWings]

Year is limited. Yearly is based on the limited word. You celibrate your birthday yearly. The celebration stops when you die.
Just as an example. On 10 September 2300 Jesus submits His kingdom to Father.
God then declares: To remember this glorious day we are going to having a yearly remembrance party.
What would you think? Must be 5 parties in a row. 10? 80? 800? Unlimited?
All I want to say if you keep adding years indefinitely 'yearly' spans eternity. Same with hours, minutes and seconds.
So if I read aions I only know it are more that 1 eon. But can be unlimited.
"Aion-ly" is something repeating an unknown number of times. But can repeat unlimited.
But, imo, the real limit on those words is not found in the same verse. There is a list somewhere on TM that shows there are a limited number of eons. So even if the grammatical construction of the verse leaves room for unlimited repeating/adding of eons then they are overruled by the list of 5 or 7 eons.
Then ofcourse one can argue the last eon never ends.....

[Apocatastasis]

Folks,

Even if aionios can mean 'eternal' (indeed, aionios can mean 'eternal'!), this would not dispell universal salvation!