This morning I read an article where a preacher went to a college and homosexual protestors were chanting "Jesus loves everybody" and the pastor said something along the lines of " No, you don't believe in Christians, Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. You sinners don't love Jesus. You sinners hate Jesus!God doesn't hear your praise! Not if you have sin in your life. He won't forgive if you have sin in your life. " When I read the comments for that articles, they were talking about how our society rejects true hellfire preachers and true love is preaching the truth to all and that if the apostles and Steven preached a gospel of love/inclusiveness they wouldn't have been stoned to death.
I was wondering how all of you would respond to an ET'er who says that if the Apostles (and early followers) preached Christian Universalism, then they wouldn't have been stoned to death like Steven did. How would you all respond to allegations that believers in UR are too soft on sin?
Here is a link to the article for those who are interested
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/16/when-an-anti-gay-preacher-visited-a-college-campus-he-probably-didnt-expect-students-to-react-like-this/
They were stoned to death BECAUSE THEY PREACHED THE "GOOD NEWS". Peter proclaimed the restoration of all things from the beginning (Acts 3:19) and also said he was doing as the prophets had from ancient times.
Stephen was stoned because he spoke against the religion of the Pharisees, not because he preached helfire and brimstone.
Jesus does love everybody, and everybody will answer for their sins. Some will answer, Lord, Lord, didnt we prophesy and cast out demons and do many mighty works in your name and he will answer, depart from me you lawless ones I never knew you, for I was thirsty and you gave me no drink....
Some will answer, "Praise your holy Name my Savior and Lord, and He will hear their praise."
Some will weep and gnash their teeth, because of the wicked things that have done and said against God. But eventually, "Evryknee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."
"For as in Adam all died, SO ALSO IN CHRIST ALL shall be made alive."
The Lord WILL hear your praise and your prayers, cause He made you to give praise and prayers.......even thou I may learn late. HE HEARS.....HE HEARS.....HE AWAITS THE OFFERING! :dsunny:
Quote"God doesn't hear your praise! Not if you have sin in your life."
In that case He never hears human praise because all have sinned
Quote from: WhiteWings on September 18, 2014, 07:00:28 AM
Quote"God doesn't hear your praise! Not if you have sin in your life."
In that case He never hears human praise because all have sinned
That was my reaction when I first read that line of what the pastor said
Quote from: WhiteWings on September 18, 2014, 07:00:28 AM
Quote"God doesn't hear your praise! Not if you have sin in your life."
In that case He never hears human praise because all have sinned
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Searching_For_The_Truth on September 18, 2014, 03:04:20 AM
When I read the comments for that articles, they were talking about how our society rejects true hellfire preachers and true love is preaching the truth to all and that if the apostles and Steven preached a gospel of love/inclusiveness they wouldn't have been stoned to death.
I was wondering how all of you would respond to an ET'er who says that if the Apostles (and early followers) preached Christian Universalism, then they wouldn't have been stoned to death like Steven did. How would you all respond to allegations that believers in UR are too soft on sin?
It's quite simple actually.
There is pure 100% Bible based and not 100% pure.
Over time Judaism has become polluted by the addition of many, many man-made laws and regulations. And they simply were unable to let go of those rituals.
Just compare the amount of rituals and added stuff between catholics and protestants. They both believe they do right. But European history shows the are prepared to wage war for a great many years over it.
Steven was stoned because of religious differences. Claiming that makes him wrong is like saying all Christians that were recently killed by ISIS had the wrong religious because they would still be alive if they were muslims.
Dear searching for truth ,
I would simply tell the Etrs ''You certainly do NOT know the ways of God ''
All things will be dealt with according to His own desire .
Jesus never addresses any homosexual in His ministry as to ''heal them''
Seems that would be an important issue of sin as exposing error as sin as Jesus did in His ministry in the 4 gospels
and how to fix this by examples, but I noted Just how much Jesus warns the scribes Pharisees and hypocrites of the wrath to come .
and if you read Romans 1 about the homosexual , I find the things Paul speaks against it is found in everyone , not just the homosexual only
So I question is the homosexual example a outward manifestation of some spiritual message we need to look deeper into as an inner working of men with men ????
Why would it mention even men loosing the natural use of a woman ?
I can see this as a woman IS saved though child bearing
So I do believe it is to do with a perversion of a spiritual nature , in the sense of this, a cutting off of the seed and offspring of the sons of God ,
Just as it is in the homosexual lifestyle , they have to create new ways to ''have children '' of their own , that some are not their own or they must give their seed in a cup for a doctor to place in a woman's womb , those devices and ways to have what they want
Can we see this also in a spiritual picture as well ?
Only two examples in the old testament that I can think of off the top of my head is
the Lot story of Sodom and Gomorrah burning lusts and desires for other men
, and the betrayal of the dead brother to his brothers young widow to spill his seed on the ground , as not to be fruitful and multiply
I just believe the Lord of Hosts is showing us by nature that goes against nature something that is also a spiritual perversion
I say this by what Paul does express as spiritual in nature in the explaining the evils of sin being manifested in what to look for , now we do not just see homosexuals only , But many , both men and women in the natural earthly bodies doing this stuff and could also show as the hidden man of the heart as an inner working that God knows
Romans 1
28 So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him,
God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of.
29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness and sin, of greed and hate, envy, murder, fighting, lying, bitterness, and gossip.
30 They were backbiters, haters of God, insolent, proud, braggarts, always thinking of new ways of sinning and continually being disobedient to their parents.
31 They tried to misunderstand, broke their promises, and were heartless—without pity.
32 They were fully aware of God's death penalty for these crimes,
yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too.
I see these rally's as trying to persuade others to join them and be accepted by ALL as NORMAL ????
Only God can reveal what is in a mans heart , except by the Holy Spirit given by God to show us and teach us just what good and evil is to God
1Corinth 2
...10For to us God revealed them through the Spirit;
for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?
Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God,
so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
What a great opportunity that pastor missed!
I believe it's a lack of faith in God's mighty power that doesn't believe in His ability to untangle someone from their shackles whatever they may be..
To me another word for sin is imperfection, and we are all imperfect until we put on immortality and incorruptibility at His return..
Quote from: marie glen on September 18, 2014, 03:09:32 PM
What a great opportunity that pastor missed!
I believe it's a lack of faith in God's mighty power that doesn't believe in His ability to untangle someone from their shackles whatever they may be..
To me another word for sin is imperfection, and we are all imperfect until we put on immortality and incorruptibility at His return..
I completely agree
The Lord God...hears EVERYTHING. A good thing to keep in mind. :HeartThrob: