False Doctrines and Prophets, Delusions, Damnable Heresies, and Deceivers

[jabcat]

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many".  I'm one that sees Jesus' earthly ministry as with the Jews, "the lost sheep of the house of Israel", and that the end of that age was about to occur in 70 AD.  However, this warning in Matthew, along with many others coming from the likes of Paul, including the thread title, tell us that in the "last days" we are to beware.  There will come many that will teach false doctrines, and then many that will believe them and be led astray. 

While not one to appreciate absolute dogmatism, IMO, we should still have a pretty good handle on what we believe and why.

Akira Takahashi just posted a thread titled "I'm Back", wondering how to "show how universalism may not be a false doctrine".  I didn't want to hijack her thread, but it got me thinking.  Many include what they call "universalism", what Gary calls the Victorious Gospel (which I like), and what I prefer, Ultimate Reconciliation, to be in that category;  false doctrine to be warned about and avoided.

Since most of us at TM don't believe that to be the case, then;

a) what constitutes those false doctrines, damnable heresies, delusions, etc., and
b) how are they recognized and guarded against?

Doing an internet search on this matter and others, and seeing how the Body of Jesus (we) behave ourselves, my thoughts are along the lines that we act as if "false doctrine and damnable heresies is whatever else somebody believes that's different than what I believe".  Pastor A accuses Sister B, who accuses Denomination C, who...on and on.  So what is it, and how can we be sure?

Thoughts?

[firstborn888]

It's not about what we believe but who we are. I think that's the deception of religion - creeds and "beliefs".

Even though I do believe that we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world to show forth His praise who first trusted not in the will of the flesh or the will of man but in the will of God being born of incorruptible seed which lives and abides forever in whom there is no variableness nor shadow of turning and faithful is who who has called us who also shall do it - amen.

Anything else is heresy. And any Pastor A or B who disagrees with anything I've just said (in exhibit C) is heresy. And the devil. And false.

Amen.

How bout that?  :grin:

(sorry folks - I just need sleep :mblush:)

[martincisneros]

There are far fewer heretics in the Body than most around here would imagine.  The New Testament tells us what heresy is:  a denial that Jesus is the burden remover, yoke destroyer (Isaiah 10:27; 1John 5:1), a denial that Jesus is the Son of God (1John 5:10), a denial that Jesus came in the flesh in His birth and in His resurrection (1John 4:2-3).  Heresy is also practicing those things that the Bible clearly says will cause one to never inherit the Kingdom of God under any imaginable coming dispensation.  Inheriting the Kingdom is different from having one's sin removed by the Blood of God's Son and being reconciled to God.  1Corinthians 6:9-10 and Galatians 5:19-21 list things that prevent someone from inheriting the Kingdom of God.  Violations of the commandment of love on the part of individuals are damnable heresy.  But institutions according to Romans 13 don't bare the sword in vain and aren't in the same category in Scripture as individual responsibility because the institutions are responsible for the care of the many in this life.  2John 1:9 says that those who don't continue in the teaching of the Anointed One and His Anointing don't have God.  1Corinthians 3:17 specifies that those that are disrupting a fellowship of believers are on the chopping block because God's going to disrupt them.  1Timothy 1 specifies those that lack self control as being contrary to sound doctrine.

And then there's the things that the New Testament speaks to those that are growing in Christ.  There's a way of reading the whole New Testament, and many people won't get this their first half dozen readings of it, but as you're maturing in grace you'll come to the place where being in financial debt is abiding in false doctrine.  There's other areas where the Word will get plainer with the individual as they mature in the Anointing and having it flow through them that the Bible won't allow them to participate in.  Such as when a minister is going to minister the Word to others, you reach a point where getting chatty before you're going to deliver the Word to people grieves the Holy Spirit and costs you [very deeply] spiritually, so that when you're entering into a ministry opportunity, you're really supposed to be sanctified from the people before and for a short time after you've shared what God's given you to share.  I know that those that have a problem with Apostolic, Prophetic, and really Anointed Teaching gifts still being in the Body per Ephesians 4 will have a problem with what I've just said, but I'm talking about an area in this second paragraph that's for the maturing and not the common ground areas where you can walk into heresy that I mentioned in the first paragraph of this.

As there's many levels of truth, there's many levels of heresy, but the mature shouldn't throw out the immature as being heretics if they're able to abide by the very obvious things that I covered in the first paragraph of this.  Things that would send me straight to Hell (and I'm choosing my words advisedly), for many of you God's never even talked to you about that for various reasons and you're not accountable for that yet.  And that doesn't mean that I'm all that.  It just means that I've had very clear instructions from our Lord about certain things that I'm morally accountable for.  Each must live according to his own convictions about this and that was a constant theme of St. Paul's when it came to things that weren't immediate doctrinal essentials that could cost an outsider their soul for the ages of ages.  Messing with the Cross, the Blood, the resurrection, the ascension, the second coming, the commandment of love, the commandment to be responsible to authority, the commandments to maintain good fruit and personal purity, and the commandment to disciple the nations gets you into damnable heresy, not so much over your own damnation although that would be bad enough, but because of the harm that you could bring to others and their salvation within the ages of ages. 

And contrary to what some have said in the past, if there is no second coming, then all that the first disciples were told about the resurrection and ascension of Christ is a total lie because of Acts 1:11.  The Return of Christ is a cardinal doctrine of the New Testament, meaning that it's basically a deal maker/breaker.  It's as essential to Christian doctrine as any of the 4 spiritual law pamphlets you might bump into somewhere about having been created, something having gone horribly wrong, Christ being the solution, and the obligation of each of us to repent and believe the Gospel according to St. Paul's teachings that Christ's Blood effectively and permanently removes our sins.

[martincisneros]

Basically, the gist of what I've just said is that what's costly about heresy is how much we wind up costing someone else with what we share with them.  That's the whole point of the really strong statements in the New Testament about this.  Is what we're sharing something that could cost someone their salvation and sanctification for the ages of ages?  It's not about being on a perfectionist kick, but the sober reality that we can directly influence someone to be shut out from His Presence for the ages of ages.  But if we avoid speculations and simply keep it to the Book, then there aren't any dangers.  For those who fear over-literalization, the only potential danger to your methods [by keeping it literal where applicable] is in terms of growth and breadth of outlook, but at least no one did anything stupid on the absolutes by keeping it "line upon line, precept upon precept."  The Book's true.  What we get out of it needs to be scrutinized so that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses...

[Doc]

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many".  I'm one that sees Jesus' earthly ministry as with the Jews, "the lost sheep of the house of Israel", and that the end of that age was about to occur in 70 AD.  However, this warning in Matthew, along with many others coming from the likes of Paul, including the thread title, tell us that in the "last days" we are to beware.  There will come many that will teach false doctrines, and then many that will believe them and be led astray. 

While not one to appreciate absolute dogmatism, IMO, we should still have a pretty good handle on what we believe and why.

Akira Takahashi just posted a thread titled "I'm Back", wondering how to "show how universalism may not be a false doctrine".  I didn't want to hijack her thread, but it got me thinking.  Many include what they call "universalism", what Gary calls the Victorious Gospel (which I like), and what I prefer, Ultimate Reconciliation, to be in that category;  false doctrine to be warned about and avoided.

Since most of us at TM don't believe that to be the case, then;

a) what constitutes those false doctrines, damnable heresies, delusions, etc., and
b) how are they recognized and guarded against?

Doing an internet search on this matter and others, and seeing how the Body of Jesus (we) behave ourselves, my thoughts are along the lines that we act as if "false doctrine and damnable heresies is whatever else somebody believes that's different than what I believe".  Pastor A accuses Sister B, who accuses Denomination C, who...on and on.  So what is it, and how can we be sure?

Thoughts?

I have a house church pastor friend whose (tongue in cheek) answer to a and b is "anyone who has gone to a different bible college than you."

[rosered]

GOOD POSTING !!  :cloud9:   A  a member in the Body of Christ and to go out into the world a preach the gospel [good news]     we are to be persuaded /confindent in   our Faith in Jesus Christ  as well as  be able to also  persuade  and provoke one another in Love  , faith comes by hearing  :thumbsup:


Strong's G3982 - peithō πείθω

Part of Speech
verb

a primary verb


Outline of Biblical Usage
1) persuade

a) to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe

b) to make friends of, to win one's favour, gain one's good will, or to seek to win one, strive to please onec) to tranquillise

d) to persuade unto i.e. move or induce one to persuasion to do something
2) be persuaded

a) to be persuaded, to suffer one's self to be persuaded; to be induced to believe: to have faith: in a thing

1) to believe

2) to be persuaded of a thing concerning a person

b) to listen to, obey, yield to, comply with

3) to trust, have confidence, be confident



For none of us lives  to himself, and no man dies to himself.

Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.


Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be


Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your  brother? or why do you set at nought your  brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, says  the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.

NOW I LOVE THIS VERSE SUCH CONFIDENCE in Christ ,Paul  has to say such a thing wow!!!........

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.


Rom 14:15 But if your  brother be grieved with your  meat, now walks   not charitably. Destroy not him with your  meat, for whom Christ died.


Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:


Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    to be able to speak without hurting and harming one faith in God is one of the very gifts of the Holy Spirit  we are to use and  perfect/hone 
mature   , work on   
not with vain flatteries , but with sincere and genuine  concern  and love for God and Christ  but the very souls  we are so trying to save from the fire / fear /torment ..

   God bless  you all