Bill Weise

[Andromeda_Organa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQ8nf8Adt4&feature=related
He says that Jesus sent him to Hell because some Christians don't believe in Hell. What about that?

[NinjaWizards777]

Im pretty sure Hell exsists too...I think just because theres a possiblity that everyone will eventually accept christ and be reconciled to him doesnt mean their isnt hell and their isnt punishment...to think the bible is NOT suggesting some sort of Hell and punishment ...I think is defintly glossing over verses.

im just not sure that hell is a place where peope are eternally seperated from God...that I debate

[firstborn888]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQ8nf8Adt4&feature=related
He says that Jesus sent him to Hell because some Christians don't believe in Hell. What about that?

Bill's story is absolute nonsense from start to finish. Check out this thread:
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=3173.0

[B_T]

The most interesting thing is that not all ET-believers trust Bill Weise's story and some have even written a rebuttal.

This story is not credible at all.

[Nathan]

I beleive this is one of the tricks that we were warned about in Scripture about certain doctrines slipping in the back doors of the infant churches that were just beginning to grow.  I mean . . . being raised in a Pentecostal church all my life . . .I hated it as a youth because there were so many other places I wanted to be and my Dad did give me a choice.  He'd always say "Either you GET to go . . .or you HAVE to go . .it's your choice."  I always "had" to.  But the last 20 years, before becomnig a pastor . . .I loved the church I was in.  I loved the worship . .not much for fellowship there as it was a larger church and many cliques in it.  but I loved the atmosphere and I loved being involved in it.  I embraced everything without questioning anything to the degree where I felt it was time to leave.

But again . . .I believe now, it was simply the adolescence not just of me, but of the corporate bride.  The church saw spiritual things as a spiritual teenager.  She got totally high on when the spirit manifested greatly . .and she got very upset when things appeared to be going the way of the devil . .like when she paraded in front of abortion clinics . . porn shops, bars . . .and in doing so, she made the city feel substandard . .all the while, she saw in her mind that she was doing what she thought the Groom wanted her to do.

But she never really knew what it was like when all things were pure.  I'm not sure a pure church ever really even existed at all.  Even when Paul was trying to establish them, there were people who took it upon themselves to go around behind him and infiltrait the churches he started up and bring in their version of what they felt was a more accurate account of God's direction. 

So now, everything the church believes, she believes is unchangeable because that's just the way she's been for as long as she can remember.  She's been feeding the snake for so long, it's become a pet.  And now, it's time for her to grow up and God is calling the maturity out of her to manifest . .and it's creating growing pains among us.  That's why so many struggle when it comes to remaining in the church.  Religion does not recognize what the true bride is to become.  Religion thinks that it's the bride . . .and all it is, is the result of what men planted in her generations ago. 

But the time has come for those who've fallen asleep in Christ to wake up and find that they are approved by God, called and chosen to be ambassadors for God without all the baggage that they've been carrying around for so long.

I'll get off my soap box now . .gotta go back to work anyway.

[ScarletWren]

hi Nathan,

Though I don't agree with everthing you present, I always admire your presentation.  You do have a way with words.  Must be the preacher in you.

[Nathan]

That is the nicest way anyone has ever commented on my long-windedness :HeartThrob:  There is a story behind it . .but it's just as long.

That's all I have to say about that.  :icon_joker: