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It seems I've been talking too loud.
Received an email today from a pastor.
He heard about my spreading of UR and the way ETers were refuted one after the other.
I know him a bit, he has a Master in Philosophy and a Master in Theology. He has written a dozen of books.
He sent me this morning a copy in PDF of his latest book on Universalism (only 68 pages).
He thanked me because it was because of me (I say the Lord) that he decided to write it.
:mblush:
Now he'd like me to read it and answer it.
Maybe I'll begin writing something myself, if the Lord calls me to it.
Most of his work is about Origen and refuting him. I won't enter that debate because I don't care.
But there are other arguments which I know I can defend really well.
I do not have any high education myself, have received the UR revelation only 4 months ago and I'm already busy to no end but by the grace of God I can stand to any theologian because I have the Holy Spirit in me teaching me in everything.

In his introduction he said that it was important for PASTORS to know how to refute this heresy because THEY(the pastors) have to defend the faith. :thumbdown:
He also say that it is theologians' calling to interpret the Scriptures and teach them to the christians. :thumbdown:
Stealing the HS's job eh?
We're in for major misunderstanding... :laughing7:

Pray for me!

 :cloud9: Take no thought of what you shall say, for the HG shall give you what you should speak. It really does work. He sent me to a pastor once with a word that I knew he wasn't going to like and I knew he would have me for breakfast over it.

I asked the Lord to give me something that he had never heard preached before as a sign to him that I was hearing the Lord. He did. The pastor admitted he had never heard it preached anywhere before, but STILL didn't receive the word I gave him or the warning for disobedience that came with it. A few weeks later he was removed from the pulpit and disbarred from his denomination (really a blessing in disguise). God will have His way.

Lifting you up for strength and wisdom......Blessings.....

It is like that, I've been studying UR for only 4 months, not enough to face these opponents but yet in every discussions I hear myself answering things I didn't even heard before, answering questions or refuting interpretations I didn't knew existed.
Now I have to stay in that rest and let God do it or else it won't work.

Been reading his aion/olam exposition and he worked a lot on it, too bad for him most of his conclusions are based on bad premises (Jesus reigning forever, earth enduring forever, etc.)

After reading about a fourth of his book I realize that everywhere he says that it can't be that way because blah blah blah, it can be said the other side. At the end it's all about perspectives.

Thank you for the prayers Card. :bigGrin:

I will intercede for you, for this is a mighty calling!  Like Esther you where born for a time such as this, and God himself (The Holy Spirit) who dwells inside the very temple of clay he built in the quarry of your mother's womb is more than a match for any man on the face of this earth...Past, Present, or yet in the ages to come.  :thumbsup:

And remember, God is sovereign, God is Love, God is Life, God is Truth, God defeated, and will defeat Death, God cannot lie, God will do his will, and his will is that all mankind be saved. ^^

Everyone will stand before the judgement seat of God and give their account...But behold!  The pure in heart shall see God!

(God cannot like because what ever God speaks becomes, or is Reality, lies are that which is not reality  :thumbsup: something I wrote an article on I think elsewhere, and may share here; when God gave me this revelation I was like "wow!")

I'll pray for you. I know someday I'll be facing the same battle. My dad has his doctorate of theology or something similar and is a staunch Calvinist. I'm not looking forward to that conversation...

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you in the name of God our Father and Jesus our Lord!

Quote from: Nil Recurring on October 09, 2010, 07:39:35 AM
I'll pray for you. I know someday I'll be facing the same battle. My dad has his doctorate of theology or something similar and is a staunch Calvinist. I'm not looking forward to that conversation...

We're told to declare (I Tim. 4:11)

He may see it, or maybe not - at this time;

"You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of God. But I use parables to teach the others so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled: 'When they look, they won't really see. When they hear, they won't understand.'  Luke 8:10

Blessings, James.

Quote from: jabcat on October 09, 2010, 10:21:21 AM

Quote from: Nil Recurring on October 09, 2010, 07:39:35 AM
I'll pray for you. I know someday I'll be facing the same battle. My dad has his doctorate of theology or something similar and is a staunch Calvinist. I'm not looking forward to that conversation...

We're told to declare (I Tim. 4:11)

He may see it, or maybe not - at this time;

"You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of God. But I use parables to teach the others so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled: 'When they look, they won't really see. When they hear, they won't understand.'  Luke 8:10

Blessings, James.

Amen. We are witnesses. God is the facilitator. The Spirit gives the revelation (or not) according to the will of God. Prayer is often the determining factor, because it moves the Holy Spirit. No matter how "studied up" we are, if the Spirit doesn't work with us we are less likely to succeed.

So, the discussion has ended, we agreed to disagree before even starting to discuss.
His point is that everything must be based on the "analogy of faith" and on the church fathers.
Since only theologians have that kind of information, "ordinary christians" are at their mercy.
He dismissed the teaching of the Spirit and said only the apostles had that.
After reading this sort of things, I felt like we were talking two completely different languages and that communication was absolutely impossible.

He wants me to prove that MOST church fathers taught UR and that it is in agreement with the rest of HIS faith which looks more like intellectual understanding than spiritual convictions.

He nearly told me that NO scriptures were necessary.

Bah
God bless him. (that was hard to write... :happygrin:)

Now I have to ask the Lord why I'm feeling so depressed about it. :sigh:

Think about it — Who led you here to Tentmaker?

That same Spirit will lead him to the Truth when it is His time.

Remember what the Father says: "Not by might, not by power but by My Spirit."

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 10, 2010, 03:27:16 AM
So, the discussion has ended, we agreed to disagree before even starting to discuss.
His point is that everything must be based on the "analogy of faith" and on the church fathers.
Since only theologians have that kind of information, "ordinary christians" are at their mercy.
He dismissed the teaching of the Spirit and said only the apostles had that.
After reading this sort of things, I felt like we were talking two completely different languages and that communication was absolutely impossible.

He wants me to prove that MOST church fathers taught UR and that it is in agreement with the rest of HIS faith which looks more like intellectual understanding than spiritual convictions.

He nearly told me that NO scriptures were necessary.

Bah
God bless him. (that was hard to write... :happygrin:)

Now I have to ask the Lord why I'm feeling so depressed about it. :sigh:

Don't feel bad, the guy was not interested in truth, he was more interested in winning a debate. Evident by the fact that he dissmises the very spirit of truth.

You probably feel bad because you thought he was a potential person to witness to and grow fruit in, but ended up being a dead tree that had no potential.

Be blessed in Jesus name.

Quote from: thinktank on October 10, 2010, 04:15:23 AM


but ended up being a dead tree that had no potential.

interesting.

Quote from: Beloved Servant on October 10, 2010, 04:19:53 AM

Quote from: thinktank on October 10, 2010, 04:15:23 AM


but ended up being a dead tree that had no potential.

Noticed you changed your pic, from a candle that lights a room to the lion of the tribe of judah, who baptizes with holy fire.

interesting.

wow!

I didn't even realize that, thanks!

FROM THE CANDLESTICK TO THE THRONE

Is it a comfy throne? :D

Why do you ask?

No reason >_>

*hides a third of my servants*

...just not following you, Lefein.

???

I was planning on usurping it.  But that's okay.

Your plan is a little late.
Adam and his friends already did that.
Now, things are quickly going in the other direction.

 :cloud9: Hey, I just noticed your lion, too.  :thumbsup: I was used to looking for the candle gif......

Diggin' the lion dude. :yes:

Ok, after the Lord had showned me that my heart was in convincing this man by the power of reason and not by defending my faith with love and calmness, the theologian suprised me by coming back with a lighter touch and just tried to explain my views and to clarify what he didn't understand.

I proceeded to do just that and in the next email, knowing more what I believe, he asked questions and tried to refute what I said. To which I answered without trouble and I proceeded with asking questions myself (which questions I had already asked 3 times without any answers).

And the next email was a huge surprise, he explosed with rage, letting the - other gospel = sure hell for you phrase and a lot of low insult and subtile discrediting.
I have yet to close my mouth. :laughing7:

Oh well, I think it's really over now to my own pleasure, it was getting ridiculous.
Meanwhile his book agaisnt universalism is spreading like the plague, every friends and brother/sisters to who I speak are reading it.

But on a greater note, I had 4 brothers and sisters come pass the weekend at home (they are from the city I used to live) and at least 3 of them were deeply touched by the salvation of all and especially one sister who the Lord used my words to bring her to Him long ago and since her salvation she was deeply happy but yet deeply sadened by her loved ones going in hell. When she heard the true Gospel, she litterally burtsed in tears of joy and I think we all cried, now it is a good new!

God has a positive sense of irony...

In Jesus name, I ask that this book the pastor has written against Universalism, would spark in the heart of their readers a yearning to "find out just what all the hub-bub is about concerning all of this "universalism" stuff that this pastor is so violent against".

I ask that it would prompt them to study, and to see The Truth!  I ask that you would use this book which is spreading like a plague, to cause people to seek Universalism in equal and greater measure!

Since the book is spreading like a plague, so I ask Lord, that you would work through this plague to spread Universal Reconciliation...Piggy back your glory on this evil, and supersede it with your love!

In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.

amen

 :cloud9: Start praising the Lord for this man's deliverance, because the devils rage because they know their time is short (in having him for a home).  :winkgrin: Blessings....

willieH:  Hi Nil and Q...  :cloud9:

Quote from: Nil Recurring on October 09, 2010, 07:39:35 AM
I'll pray for you. I know someday I'll be facing the same battle. My dad has his doctorate of theology or something similar and is a staunch Calvinist. I'm not looking forward to that conversation...

NIL -- Should you ever enter that "conversation", know that you shall have many brothers and sisters here to help you through it.

Q -- Prayers are yours my friend...  :Pray:

"Pastors" are every bit as potentially fallible as laymen, for they are SINNERS saved by GRACE, just as are laymen...

Nowhere in His WORD, did GOD designate PASTORS to be without ERROR, nor did He at any time deem them by His WORD, as COMPLETE concerning the knowledge of the DIVINE.

One who has foolishly noted your belief "heresy" has simply taken his own "belief", and used that potentially fallible measure to deduce you and your beliefs, ...that is all.  :laughing7:

willieH: Hi Q, my friend...  :cloud9:

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 07, 2010, 01:17:51 AMIt seems I've been talking too loud.
Received an email today from a pastor.
He heard about my spreading of UR and the way ETers were refuted one after the other.
I know him a bit, he has a Master in Philosophy and a Master in Theology. He has written a dozen of books.

Credentials of men (college degrees) pretty much mean nothing, other than a means with which to make MONEY... No offense intended to those who have sacrificed much of their time to better themselves... but in the end, an "education" does not mean that automatically, because you have earned an "education credential" --- you are or will be successful as a part of mankind.  Many have taken such "credentials" and become serial killers or inventors of COMPUTER viruses...

A "master's" in Philosophy, means that he has mastered BS... more than anything.  :laughing7:

The flaunting of these "credentials" before you, is only an attempt to overshadow you and lessen you, ...even before any exchange of information has even taken place between you!  

Which IMO, is:

• (1) an attempt to use "education" vs. "non-education" as the basis of knowing TRUTH, and not the dedicated pursuit of GOD irregardless of it.
• (2) used to mask inherent insecurities, which are intimidated by your beliefs
• (3) irrelevant in the discussion of the WORD of God, as GOD can inspire and/or withhold TRUTH, irregardless of the possession (or non-possession) of "education" credentials.

And as far this "Pastor" noting the himself as being prolific as a writer, ...Stephen King (no offense intended to him) has written MUCH more than a dozen (1200 page) books of fictional garble, ...which in the end, certainly does not make him more than YOU which might have only "written" a paragraph of TRUTH...  :laughing7:  

This "Pastor's" dozen books, can easily be filled a lot of hooey instead of TRUTH... That he has busied himself as a writer commenting on what "he" says is truth in them, ...in no way produces him as a bearer of truth, due to the quantity of writings he has produced...

A thousand books which are (potentially) filled with LIES shall never bear TRUTH, just because they are "MANY"...  :dontknow:

CHRIST commented on DOINGS and SAYINGS, of the "MANY" -- Matt 7:22-23 -- Matt 24:5  :sigh:

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 07, 2010, 01:17:51 AMHe sent me this morning a copy in PDF of his latest book on Universalism (only 68 pages).
He thanked me because it was because of me (I say the Lord) that he decided to write it. :mblush:

Isn't it nice to be inspirational?  :laughing7:  Praise the Lord... He is using you!  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 07, 2010, 01:17:51 AMNow he'd like me to read it and answer it.
Maybe I'll begin writing something myself, if the Lord calls me to it.
Most of his work is about Origen and refuting him. I won't enter that debate because I don't care.

"Refuting" must be done by employing the WORD... and the addressing of the content of the WORD is what must occur in any "refute"...  

To address an ancient man and his "beliefs" is not addressing what the Scripture says... it is addressing the hearsay of men.  :dontknow:

For ORIGEN is quite LARGELY removed from our time, and there is no way of proving any writings about him or the details of his "beliefs", to be FACTUALLY true... so the attempt to refute an ANCIENT... is a foolish exercise in futility.

I wonder if this "Pastor" believes everything written in the Newspapers and books of today?  Or everything he hears on TV?  Liars have been available since the beginning of time... and FALSE REPORTS have OFTEN originated from them.

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 07, 2010, 01:17:51 AMBut there are other arguments which I know I can defend really well.
I do not have any high education myself, have received the UR revelation only 4 months ago and I'm already busy to no end but by the grace of God I can stand to any theologian because I have the Holy Spirit in me teaching me in everything.

Amen Q...  :iagree:  Stay your course, and remain invested in the guidance of the Holy Spirit... remaining open to that guidance.  Most (not all) men of education, think they have "arrived" (as "theologians")... and so in that fallible notion, they thereby "write in stone" their beliefs... and eliminate further DIVINE revelation from their experience.   :sigh:

This man is about exalting his own belief over yours, and has already resorted to NAME CALLING you and your beliefs ("heresy"), instead of actually searching for truth and being OPEN TO IT in that search, ...in part by entering in a discussion WITH YOU before such deductions (as "heresy") are declared...  :mshock:

For if one is in a search for TRUTH, one shall KNOW that he/she shall NEVER KNOW all of it... therefore, in that search, will ALWAYS have something NEW to learn, which might well compromise the PRIDEFUL "written-in-stone-deduction" of ones own "knowledge" of TRUTH... at any given time.

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 07, 2010, 01:17:51 AMIn his introduction he said that it was important for PASTORS to know how to refute this heresy because THEY (the pastors) have to defend the faith. :thumbdown:

He "begins" by patting himself on his own back, eh?  :LH:

If I were dealing with this guy, this would be my first brief answer to him:

Where is this written in the WORD? (that "Pastors" must "defend" the faith)   :dontknow:

This man begins by building upon a non-existent foundation, which enters into failure within its very beginning...

There is NO FOUNDATION other than CHRIST -- 1 Cor 3:11 -- and His "introduction" should have noted THAT foundation, ...not base the TRUTH on Himself as a "Pastor" which must "defend" the "faith"...  :sigh:

Why should we have to "defend" the faith?  If we have TRUTH, it needs no defense... for it SPEAKS for ITSELF.  If you are SPEAKING TRUTH, no "defense" is necessary.  It is those amidst the position of LIES that NEED to "defend" themselves...

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 07, 2010, 01:17:51 AMHe also say that it is theologians' calling to interpret the Scriptures and teach them to the christians. :thumbdown:

Again, ...this is written, ...WHERE... in the WORD?  Last time I looked, there is no mention of "theologians" at all, in the Scriptures...

Quote from: Quaesitor on October 07, 2010, 01:17:51 AMStealing the HS's job eh?
We're in for major misunderstanding... :laughing7:

Pray for me!

Amen! :Pray: You got it!  :friendstu:

Where are "theologians" mentioned in the WORD?  The best version of this "breed" are noted as the "Scribes" and/or "Pharisees"... which were often feeling the brunt of the TRUTH, knocking them upside  their "religious" noggins...  :pointlaugh:

This guy is full of his version (whichever one) of the "Christian religion"... and has introduced his version of this religion as that which shall REFUTE you... and poor "old" ...ORIGEN...  :laughing7:

Hey, if you like, send him my (uneducated) way... I would be more than happy to refute him...  :laugh:

QuoteHey, if you like, send him my (uneducated) way... I would be more than happy to refute him...

:laughing7:

You already did because a lot of my answers were thing taught to me by the Lord using your words.
:bigGrin:

Here is a sample of our discussion, bear with my english, I have to translate everything from french:
( Black is him, red is me)



2) If we are enslaved because of Adam and Eve'S transgression, why did God create created us with freewill ( whose only them have had according to you) He would have saved the suffering to mankind and arrived to the same result.

I do not believe that Adam and Eve had a freewill.
I already explained to you in a previous email that God's plan has always been to teach His image-bearing creatures the knowledge of Good and Evil (Isaiah 26:9). One cannot exist without the other. God obviously knows god and evil but created man didn't knew it or else God wouldn't have put in the garden a tree possessing that knowledge.
I do not believe there is freewill because the only TRUE will is that of in sort that the man who is truly free does not do HIS will but the will of God. Like Jesus who said that He never did of speak anything from Himself. Our will is always a lie and leads to death. That is what is the slavery in which men are caught.


3) How do you explain James 1:13: " Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. If God decided everything, isn't it God who tempt and desire evil?

James explain it himself, it is our own lust which pushes us to commiting evil. In the same example I've given you sooner, in which a kid is hit by a car after having been told by his father not to go the other side of the road. That kid cannot accuse his father of having pushed him in front of the car, he himself chose to disobey the command (but not by freedom, by ignorance of the TRUE consequence : death.
When God uses Babylon to chasten Israel, is God the one who perced children with swords or raped the women?
Why is that? We clearly read that it IS god who is chastening Israel, He will even then chasten Babylon because they said it was by their own POWER that they conquered the land while God said it was HIM who have given them that power.


Ok that's a small sample but it is after these answers and 3 more answered questions that he sidestepped the whole conversation and - Took a Stand - (theses are his own words) to the truth revealed by the apostolic tradition. He said I was a pneumatic and that he doesn't believe a bit of what I say.

BTW I never had even ONE of myquestions answered, the only answer I ever get was that he didn't want to enter these debates before we would agree on HIS terms of debate, which I refused.

Hi;
Well said, willieH about refuting with the truth. Christ did that when satan tried to lure Him into worshipping the ruler of this earth. Christ just stated the truth.
Also well said Q about how this man never answering your questions, that seems to be because there is no truth in him.
That seems to be the difference between flesh and spirit talked about in Galations. They are basically opposite to each other. That could be depressing if it were not for the magnitude of what Christ has done for us to make us the new creation in Him with the true knowledge of good and evil. Interesting that Adam and Eve did not eat of the tree of life after eating of the tree of knowledge. Christ is that tree of life and the only source of the life in the age to come. He had to die first to become the first born of the next stage of development in the master plan of life and the true source of food and drink[ John 6;55 " For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink; he that feeds upon My flesh and drinks my blood lives in Me and I in him> Just as the living Father sent Me, and I live by reason of the Father, also he that feed on Me even he shall live by reason of Me."]
So if any one does not say that Christ came in the flesh and actually died for us, then they do not yet know the truth. I say not yet because they will know the truth at some stage of the proceedings.

Quote from: Ross on October 15, 2010, 11:55:15 AM
Interesting that Adam and Eve did not eat of the tree of life after eating of the tree of knowledge. Christ is that tree of life and the only source of the life in the age to come. He had to die first to become the first born of the next stage of development in the master plan of life and the true source of food and drink[ John 6;55 " For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink; he that feeds upon My flesh and drinks my blood lives in Me and I in him> Just as the living Father sent Me, and I live by reason of the Father, also he that feed on Me even he shall live by reason of Me."]
So if any one does not say that Christ came in the flesh and actually died for us, then they do not yet know the truth. I say not yet because they will know the truth at some stage of the proceedings.

There are those that live without eating.  "Inedia" is what it is called.  It seems some kind of power or sign.  The Roman church rigorously researches certain of these claims that come before them. One woman in Europe has so lived for over 35 years.  What they're interested in are those that only eat the communion bread, wafer, the Eucharist, whatever they call it.  They go to mass, receiving the Eucharist every day with nothing else to sustain them.  Such persons are particularly given over to prayer.  Jesus', "I have bread ye know not of," is one passage where it may be alluded to, along with John 6:55 quoted above.  I primarily understand "eating His fesh" to be doing the will of the Father which consumes our flesh with fire (measured in calories) at about 98.6.

 :cloud9: I know for a fact, you can literally draw life from the Spirit to empower your body, instead of from food. Blessings.....

HalleluJah 

Quote from: Cardinal on October 16, 2010, 03:54:34 AM
:cloud9: I know for a fact, you can literally draw life from the Spirit to empower your body, instead of from food. Blessings.....

Are you on a diet, Cardinal?  :laughing7:

Some like their bread plain, others want it buttered; and yet there are those who prefer to have it sugar coated for taste.
However, we all love the bread of life!

Amen, Sister.

(P.S. - I need glasses, could have sworn I hit the quote button. But all that is there, is a purple box with a black, dotted line adjacent to the bottom?)  :mshock:

 :cloud9: As a matter of fact..... :winkgrin: but I was referring to long fasts..... :happygrin:

Quote from: Cardinal on October 16, 2010, 06:08:44 PM
:cloud9: As a matter of fact..... :winkgrin: but I was referring to long fasts..... :happygrin:

Do you think eating spiritual bread or the euchchrist counts as a fast?

 :cloud9: Yes. I've done both. Although food was being discussed, a fast is anything the Lord moves on your heart to lay down, either temporarily or permanently. Some examples: TV, sodas, unnecessary shopping, unnecessary talking, discussion boards  :mshock: and so forth. He had a friend of mine "fast" NOT EATING, because she hated to eat. It's all about training us in obedience, not the sacrifice.

When I first came to the Lord, He gave me wisdom on what the "no pants, no make-up" deal was with the churches, and in so doing released me of the obligation to do it. Two weeks later, he made me go with a skirt on and no make-up, EVEN THOUGH I knew it was not required of me according to the TRUE interpretation of the Word as shown me by the Spirit revelation. He turned the tables on me, to test my obedience in light of the fact I knew it was not required for "righteousness". So it was as a "fast" to abstain from those things, as ordered by the Lord. Blessings....

He is tightening the rope.

Now, I just go and do as led without any thought of my own.

Hi;
My dietician knows more than those who do that for a living. :icon_flower:
We are told not to worry about what to eat or what to wear...

QuoteMost of his work is about Origen and refuting him

First of all you should focus on who was Origens TEACHER!

http://www.romancatholicism.org/clement-apokatastasis.html



Second...Origens counterpart decided to literally REWRITE the bible into Latin to avoid any kind of "misunderstandings"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian



And we all know where that lead to now dont we?

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http://egregores.blogspot.fi/2010/10/augustine-in-defense-of-torturing.html

  Well,  this is the irony of all of this  religious stuff    Jones ,

  They always say it right , but don't do it right  , making it error


Jesus Words   in a   indirect quote , not mine  :eek:

I believe, saying it right and doing it right,  makes it'' Truth ''  , my  thoughts  :icon_flower:

Excellent resource JH, revealing Augustine to be the madman he accused his opponents of being, and since he considered repentence under torture a godly repentence, and confused the confessions of the tortured to be the expressions of reformed souls- it is no wonder that the concept of an eternal hell was acceptable to him.

These types and shadows of the man of sin       are examples    ,  the Word teaches us to  not be   as  this ..     for me  ,as I can tell .

  2 Thess The Man of Sin
...3Let no one in any way deceive you,

for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,

and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God,

displaying himself as being God. 5Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?


  discern the spirits 1 John 4:1-6 ESV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit,

but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,

for many false prophets have gone out into the world.


By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.


Little children, you are from God and have overcome them,

for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.


They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. ...