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Where do you move forward with that? This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people who haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, that they’re going to hell.
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You don’t believe that?
OBAMA:
I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.
Part of the reason I think it’s always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you. Oftentimes that’s by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest common denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.
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Mat.25:41 Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the (eternal fire) {aionios} which has been prepared for the devil and his angels/ John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have (eternal life) {aionios}. If hell is not eternal, then neither is heaven. You might as will wright: “no hope be on heaven”.
People go to hell because they are sinners. Jesus did not come into to the world to condemn the world, John 3:17. The world is already condemned, Jesus came into the world to saved them that believe.
If people don’t go to hell, what about satan and his demons? is it eternal for them? I thank God that He has saved me from the wrath to come!
There are actually three kinds of wrath in the Bible.
1.Every unbeliever, John 3:36
2.Apokalupic Wrath, Jesus’ second coming, Rev.6:12-17
3.Eternal Wrath, the Lake of Fire, Rev.20:11-15
Blessings! hey, lets get back to the Bible, there is a lost world who needs the Gospel, that is why He told us to teach it. Because millions everyday are dying and many of them without Christ.
In Nepal where I go to minister, is some villages they offer a little girl each year, to get the god of the land to bless them. But today there are many churches built, because people believe the Bible. If i believed that their was no more hell, I would stop preaching the good new, that Jesus saves. and Villages in Nepal and other countries would still be offering their little girls to some demon. Please I beg you in Jesus name, preach the whole truth! and throw a net and save the lost. Don’t deny that there is no hell, that will just exploit more souls into the Lake of Fire. Jesus loves them, don’t you!
I have much to say about your email, far more than I can post. First of all, you don’t know the power of God, you know the power of Satan and you believe it is stronger than Christ’s. You don’t know the “vengeance” of a Lamb slain on a throne. You don’t know the vengeance that says “therefore if your enemy hungers feed him, if he thirsts give him drink, etc. In that manner you are pouring hot coals on his heard.” You don’t know the power of the Son of God who will “draw all mankind unto Himself. You can’t comprehend the height, length, width and dept of the love of God for you are locked in fear. Perfect love casts out fear. Your eyes are glossed over with the law of Moses. You can’t see clearly what is written and therefore are in great unbelief. You do not have the faith to believe the great promises of God which are greater than the laws you cling to so desperately and yet break daily:
The Greatest Christian Sin: Unbelief!
The Scriptures and Jesus have made it plain that God’s own people are always slow to believe what the prophets have spoken (Luke 24:25-27). Therefore, while the scriptures plainly declare Jesus Christ, Savior of the world (John 4:42; 1 John 4:14; 1 Tim. 4:9-11), the majority of God’s people have never believed Him. But He has always had a “little flock,” a “remnant” who have remained true to the truth. (Luke 12:32; 1 Kings 19:18) The early believers believed quite differently from modern day believers. The early believers believed in the bold promises and statements found in the Scriptures. Modern believers have been seduced by two thousand years of “traditions of men which make the word of God of no effect.” (See Matt. 15:6-9) Let’s look at what the early believers saw in the Scriptures and then discover the state of unbelief the church-at-large is presently in.
Christ, to whom, in whom, and for whom are all things will reconcile all things unto God (Colossians 1:15-20). He makes all things new. (Rev. 21:5) Hence His work is the restitution of all things (Acts 3:21); He is Heir of all things (Hebrews 1:2); in Him not only all nations will be blessed (Galatians 3:8), but even every family of the earth will be blessed (Gen 12:32; 28:14); for the Father has given Him authority over all flesh, to give to whosoever was given to Him eternal life (John 17:2); and so all flesh shall see the salvation of God (Luke 3:6) since the Father has given all things into His hands. (John 3:35) Therefore, contrary to popular Christian opinion, we do not find billions in a Hell cursing God but we find every creature which is in heaven, and on earth, and UNDER the earth saying blessing and honour and glory and power be unto Him that sits upon the throne and unto the Lamb (Rev. 5:13). We find every knee of things in heaven and earth, and under the earth, bends to Him and every tongue confesses Him as their Lord (Philippians 2:10) and we know that no one can confess Jesus as Lord except by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:3).
For God, Whose counsel is immutable (Hebrews 6:17), Whose attitude towards His enemies is love unchanging (Luke 6:27-35), will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the Truth (1 Timothy 2:4, KJV); and all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9); and has shut all up unto unbelief, in order that he may show mercy upon all (Romans 11:32); for (out) of Him, as Source, and unto (or into) Him, as End, are all things whatsoever (Romans 11:36); and He has, therefore, put all things into subjection under Christ’s feet (Ephesians 1:22).
And so we are assured that God will gather into one all things in Christ (Ephesians 1:10); and His grace comes upon all men unto justification of life (Romans 5:18). So Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands (John 13:3), promises by His Cross to draw (drag in the Greek) all men unto Himself (John 12:32). For having, as stated, received all things from the Father (John 3:35), all that was given come to Him shall come to Him and He will lose absolutely no one (John 6:37-39); but if any stray, He goes after that which is lost till He find it (Luke 15:4). Despite the fact that many of God’s chosen and elect believe God’s hand is too short to save (Isaiah 50:2) God’s hand is not too short to save (Isaiah 59:1; 63:5).
He comes in order that all men may believe (John 1:17); that the world, through Him, may be saved (John 3:17); His grace brings salvation to all men (Titus 2:11); for He takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29); gives His flesh for it’s Life (John 6:51); and, because the gifts and calling of God are without Repentance (Romans 9:29), He gives life to the world (John 6:33); is the light of the world (John 8:12); is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world (1John 2:2); is the Savior of all men (1Timothy 4:10); destroys the works of the devil, not some of them only (1John 3:8); abolishes death (2 Timothy 1:10); puts all His enemies under His feet including death (1 Cor. 15:26), is manifest to put away sin (Hebrews 9:26); and thus subduing all things unto Himself (Philippians 3:21; the context clearly shows this subjection to be conformity to Himself); does not forget the dead, but takes the gospel to Hades (1Peter 3:19); of which He holds the keys (Revelation 1:18); for He is the same (Savior) for ever (Hebrews 13:8); thus even the dead are evangelized (1Peter 4:6).
Thus all are made alive in Him (1Corinthians 15:22); for Christ finishes, completes His work (John 17:4; 19:30): restores all things (Acts 3:21); and there is no more curse (Revelation 22:2-3); for the creation is delivered from the bondage of corruption (Romans 8:21); and so comes the end when Christ delivers up the Kingdom to God, Who is then All in All because ALL God’s enemies are defeated, the last enemy being death, NOT eternally alive being endlessly punished. (1Corinthians 15:24-28).
Salvation is a gift from God, it is not of works lest anyone be found boasting (Eph 2:8) and that gift has been given to all men despite the fact that some of God’s own people don’t like such generous grace. (Rom. 5:8; Matt. 5:1-16)
We can be assured of all these wonderful and glorious things because nothing is too difficult for Him (Luke 1:37) and while many things are impossible with man, nothing is impossible with God. (Matt. 19:26) Furthermore, God is love (1 John 4:8), a love that love never fails (1 Cor. 13:8), a love that lays down His life for not only His own, but His enemies as well and commands His disciples to do likewise.. (Matt. 5:38-48) Therefore, for God to endlessly punish His enemies would make Him a hypocrite commanding less powerful and less loving human beings to do what He is not willing to do. (Matt. 23)
There is nothing that can withstand His will and no plan of His can be thwarted. (Job 4:42) The Son came to save the world and not condemn it (Luke 5:59). Jesus asked the Father to forgive those who crucified Him (all of us) (Luke 23:34) The Father has laid the iniquity of us all upon the Lamb of God (Isaiah 53:6). Jesus died for all of us. (John 1:29) To punish us now would be double jeopardy. Indeed, we can enter into His peace, believing that it is indeed finished! (John 19:30) The gift of life has been given to everyone. (Rom. 5:18)
It is said in tradition that God has given every person a “free will,” that because God wanted to have a people who loved Him without being forced to, He had to give man the ability to love or hate Him ““ to choose to be with Him for all eternity or choose to be separated from Him in torture and anguish forever.
The Pharisees, Sadducees, lawyers and scribes, the religious leaders of Israel were well-versed in the Scriptures. But because their hearts were corrupt, they misinterpreted them. They led Israel astray. They were taught that God was going to deliver them from Rome. Instead, God used Rome to destroy them. During the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD a Jewish prophet told the people that if they went up to the top of the temple, God would rapture them away. 3,000 people went up in smoke instead. Many Christians are presently waiting to be raptured from the earth while the rest of the world suffers plagues of hundred pound hailstones and fire after which they would be sent to eternal punishment in Hell. Is this the Spirit of Christ? Is this the Spirit of the One who said that to be like His Father one had to learn to overcome one’s enemies with love? Could it be the majority of the church is under the same delusions the Jews in Jesus’ day were under? Considering there are literally thousands of different denominations of Christianity today which differ from each other in many different ways yet all using the same set of Bible translations ““ isn’t it possible the church is in the same position Israel was in 2000 years ago? Led astray? After all, the Scriptures tell us that the Jews were for an example, types and shadows (Heb. 4:11; 8:4, 5; 10:1). Have we learned from their mistakes or merely copied them?
The traditional church has plainly and quite forcefully told the world and those within her, that the salvation of all mankind is certainly too difficult for Jesus. As a matter of fact, perhaps only a couple percentage points of mankind will end up in heaven while the rest of mankind simply couldn’t figure out how to get saved (Arminianism) or God never planned to save them in the first place (Augustinianian/Calvinism).
Fortunately, God put the burden of saving mankind upon man upon Himself, NOT upon the church or individuals. Most of the church is Arminian in theology, that is, man must choose to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior AND then perform certain works and/or refrain from certain activities to stay saved. Calvinism says salvation is all of God (and that is correct), but only for a few chosen (and that is false) According to Calvinism, most of mankind under their scheme have been predestined to eternal torture.
The fact is, Salvation is ALLL of God and none of man for all of mankind and that includes the moment one makes a confession to Christ. No one can “choose” Jesus without first being given the faith OF Jesus to make the decision. Even our faith is not of ourselves. We cry “Abba, Father,” because Jesus gave us His faith to even make the cry. Jesus said to His disciples,
“John 15:16 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit– fruit that will last.
And the apostle Paul certainly did not “choose” Jesus. Paul plainly stated how true Christians were going to be added to the Lord’s Body. He gave himself as the chief example:
1 Timothy 1:12-16 12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Please note, Paul called himself the chiefest of sinners. Let’s believe him. And how did the chiefest of sinners come into salvation? By the grace, faith and love of Jesus, not by his “decision to follow Christ.” Paul stated THIS was to be the way EVERYONE would enter the kingdom of God. It is all God and none of man lest we be found boasting:
Ephesians 2:8-10 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith: and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Read on the Tentmaker.org site “The Raging Wrath of Man and the Burning Love of God.” Sir, your eyes are scaled over with the law of Moses. You cannot see that God’s promises will over ride the wrath you speak of. What is the wrath of a lamb slain from the foundation of the world that sits on a throne. Can you put a sword, or bullet or eternal flames into his mouth and hands? Or do you see forgiveness once for all. “And I, if I am lifted from the earth will draw (literally drag in Greek) all mankind to myself. Believe it and then you will stop abusing children with the hideous Satanically inspired church gospel which mars the true nature and character of God. Sir, you know Satan’s greatest lie, you don’t know Christ yet.
There is a concept of hell in the old testament . True the actual word hell does not appear there. There is however old testament scripture that supports an eternal separation from God.
OK, so which scripture is it in the Old Testament? Why didn’t you list it Mark?
Was Christ’s ministry actually meant to be 3 years? Since God did not envision the eternal torment of 3/4 of his children, was it actually necessary for Christ to be killed? We put so much emphasis on the atonement, while giving Adam far more power than God ever had. Imagine, having the power and control of the entire world’s salvation on your hands, whether you so called sinned or not. Then hell comes into the latin picture. Just curious.
I think we need to continue to try to understand what the scriptures have to say on the subject. Jesus came “in fulness of time” for a particular purpose. I don’t think it would be wise of us to throw out scriptures because they don’t make sense to our thinking. I think we need to get our thinking in line with what was in God’s mind when He chose a lamb “from the foundation of the world. “