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FineLinen

May 25, 2009, 03:15:37 PM
QuoteFaithful is this saying and deserving of universal acceptance: and here is the motive of our toiling and wrestling, because we have our hopes fixed on the ever-living God, who is the Saviour of all mankind, and especially of believers. Command this and teach this.

Especially= malista

Only= monon/ monos

QuoteHe is the Mercy-Seat for our sins, and not for our sins ONLY/ monon/ monos, but for the sins of the whole ungodly multitude.

Especially

HERE

Only

HERE

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

WhiteWings

#1
May 25, 2009, 04:43:17 PM
QuoteThe word "specially" is translated from the Greek word malista, which means "in
the greatest degree or particularly" (Strong's Greek Dictionary p. 155). It is
translated "specially," "especially," "chiefly" and "most of all." In every single
usage of this word in the New Testament it is used in relation to others who are
not excluded, but included in the same subject. Let us notice a few of these so
that we can be absolutely convinced in our own minds that the "specially
believers" can in no possible way exclude the "all men" of the same verse.
"For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers,
SPECIALLY [Gk: malista] they of the circumcision" (Titus 1:10).
Is it even

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...
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WhiteWings

#2
May 25, 2009, 06:24:16 PM Last Edit: May 26, 2009, 07:49:08 PM by WhiteWings
It's not hard quote some verses that show that especially means all.
Many/most ETs won't deny that. But because that conflicts with their 'wide road leads to everlasting hell' doctrine they need a way out.
All really means all of certain group. So the focus of convincing an ET shouldn't be on that all=100% but the group that 100% is applied too.

Then the word especially pops up... According to them it specifies the 100%-group.
And if you drown them in verses showing them wrong they just say 'you took that verse out of context'.
Then a list of hell verses follows to prove the context. And then... you reached absolutely nothing.
Only people that want to learn can be teached.....
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...
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Cardinal

#3
May 25, 2009, 11:35:19 PM
 :cloud9: WW, you are just blossoming......it gives me joy......(BIG SMILE). Carry on  :winkgrin:.......Blessings.....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

FineLinen

#4
May 26, 2009, 12:01:00 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 25, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
It's not hard quote some verses that show that especially means all.

W.W. there are exactly 12 verses of the New Covenant that use the word especially. In not one instance does it mean all, not one.

"Especially" HERE
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

WhiteWings

#5
May 26, 2009, 01:53:31 PM Last Edit: May 26, 2009, 01:55:52 PM by WhiteWings
Quoteand especially of believers
Do you think some believers are excluded?
I think only believers are saved. (Maybe today. Maybe in 1234 years)
And everyone will become a believer. (Maybe today. Maybe in 1234 years)

Galatians 6:10  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

All "of the household of faith" or a certain pecentage?


1 Timothy 5:17  Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Again I think not even one of those that "labour in the word of doctrine" are excluded.



2 Timothy 4:13   The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

The books should be taken; but certainly 100% of the parchments.



That's how read 'especially'.
It's not to exclude. It's given emphasizes that the group is included.


1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...
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FineLinen

#6
May 26, 2009, 04:41:05 PM Last Edit: August 25, 2009, 06:33:22 PM by FineLinen
QuoteGalatians 6:10  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

All "of the household of faith" or a certain percentage?

Do good unto all men but especially unto them who are of the household of faith. We do good unto all men, but relating to the household of faith we pay particular attention.

Especially HERE

Only=

HERE
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

WhiteWings

#7
May 26, 2009, 05:20:44 PM
Quote from: FineLinen on May 26, 2009, 04:41:05 PM
QuoteGalatians 6:10  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

All "of the household of faith" or a certain percentage?

Do good unto all men but especially unto them who are of the household of faith. We do good unto all men, but the household of faith we pay particular attention.

Kinda what I wrote
QuoteThat's how read 'especially'.
It's not to exclude. It's given emphasizes that the group is included.

So I agree with you on: we pay particular attention
But still my question/opinion is that 'especially' doesn't exclude anything.
It's more like 'double including'
:dontknow:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...
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Molly

#8
May 26, 2009, 05:40:03 PM Last Edit: May 26, 2009, 05:49:03 PM by Molly
I like that--a double blessing.

"especially"

G3122
μάλιστα
malista
mal'-is-tah
Neuter plural of the superlative of an apparently primary adverb μάλα mala (very); (adverb) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly: - chiefly, most of all, (e-) specially.



1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.



Isaiah 61:7
Instead of their shame my people will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace they will rejoice in their inheritance; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs.

legoman

#9
May 26, 2009, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 25, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
Only people that want to learn can be teached.....

Amen. 

FineLinen

#10
May 27, 2009, 02:55:03 PM
QuoteBut still my question/opinion is that 'especially' doesn't exclude anything.
It's more like 'double including'

Our God is the Saviour of all mankind. He is not the potential Saviour, He is the Saviour of all mankind, all, the whole enchilada. 

But

And, it is a large but indeed, our God is the Saviour especially of those who place their trust in Him (who believe).

Especially=

To distinctly greater extent than is common. (Exceptionally: To an unusual or exceptional degree.)

Particularly: Used to single out one among a range.

Expressly: For a particular or specific purpose.
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

FineLinen

#11
May 27, 2009, 03:42:16 PM Last Edit: November 25, 2010, 11:27:52 PM by FineLinen
QuoteeiV touto gar kopiwmen kai agwnizomeqa oti hlpikamen epi qew zwnti oV estin swthr pantwn anqrwpwn malista pistwn

King James Version

"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."

American Standard Version

"For to this end we labor and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe." 

Bible in Basic English

And this is the purpose of all our work and our fighting, because our hope is in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, and specially of those who have faith.

Darby's English Translation

"For this we labour and suffer reproach, because we hope in a living God, who is preserver of all men, specially of those that believe." 

Douay Rheims

"For therefore we labor and are reviled, because we hope in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of the faithful."

Noah Webster Bible

"For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe" 

Francis Weymouth New Testament

"And here is the motive of our toiling and wrestling, because we have our hopes fixed on the ever-living God, who is the Saviour of all mankind, and especially of believers."

World English Bible

"For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we have set our trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe."

Young's Literal Translation

"For this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing."

James Mongomery

"We toil and agonize because our hope is set on the ever-living God, who is the Saviour of all men- of believers in particular."

BBE

"And this is the purpose of our work and our fighting, because our hope is in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those who have faith."

James Moffatt

"We toil and strive, because out hope is fixed upon the living God, the Saviour of all men--of believers in particular."

Analytical Literal Translation

"Because for this [reason] we both labor and are insulted [or, denounced], because our hope on [or, have trusted in] the living God, who is [the] Savior [or, Preserver] of all people, especially believers."

Rotherham's Emphasized Bible

"For to this end are we toiling and contending, Because we have set our hope on a Living God, Who is Saviour of all men--Specially of such as believe."

Wm. Barclay New Testament

QuoteThis is a saying which you can believe and accept absolutely. It is for this reason that we accept both the strict discipline of training and the stern struggle of the contest, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, and above all the Saviour of those who believe. Hand on these instructions and this teaching.
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

FineLinen

#12
May 28, 2009, 03:03:34 AM Last Edit: May 28, 2009, 02:07:33 PM by FineLinen
-Jonathan Mitchell New Testament-

Quotefor into this [end] are we constantly working hard unto weariness, and are continuously struggling in the contest (contending for the prize; other MSS: being reproached), because we have placed our expectation (hope) and thus rely upon a living God (or: upon [the] living God), Who is (exists being) [the] Savior (Deliverer; Rescuer; Restorer to health and wholeness) of all mankind ‑ especially of believers (of ones full of faith and trust; of faithful ones)!

Be constantly announcing these things to those at your side, passing them along from one to another, and keep on teaching them!

-J. B. Phillips-

QuoteWe place our whole confidence in the living God, the saviour of all men, and particularly of those who believe in him. These convictions should be the basis of your instruction and teaching.

New English Bible

QuoteHere are words you may trust, words that merit full acceptance: with this before us we labour and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Saviour of all men--the Saviour, above all, of believers. Pass on these orders and these teachings.

The New Testament Of The Jerusalem Bible

QuoteI mean that the point of all our toiling and battling is that we have put our trust in the living God and he is the savior of the whole human race but particularly of all believers. This is what you are to enforce in your teaching.




Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

FineLinen

#13
May 30, 2009, 12:45:14 AM
"Who is"

Our God is, not might be, not could be, our God is!

"This is a saying which you can believe and accept absolutely. It is for this reason that we accept both the strict discipline of training and the stern struggle of the contest, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, and above all the Saviour of those who believe. Hand on these instructions and this teaching."

"Now unto Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly ABOVE what we can ask or think.

"Now unto Him who is able to keep you from falling."

"And, he, is the head of the body, the assembly, Who is the beginning, Firstborn from among the dead, in order that, he, might become, in all things, himself, pre-eminent; -"

"One God and Father of all - who is over all, and through all, and in all."

Jesus Christ....

"who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fulness dwell; and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, I say, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens. And you...."










Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

Paul Hazelwood

#14
June 04, 2009, 12:29:06 AM


It's simple, I think, given the way especially is used.

1Ti 4:10 (for intofor this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.

Ga 6:10 Consequently, then, as we have occasion, we are working toward for the good of all, yet specially toward for the family of faith.

Only seems to have exclusivity since, scripture will qualify the word as in the verse in the above link saying   "not only"


Those who do not believe benefit,  but are not understanding in the same way believers are.   One day they will, however.

lsmann2

#15
June 04, 2009, 01:45:39 AM Last Edit: June 04, 2009, 01:48:06 AM by lsmann2
I think this verse can be extrapulated out to show the following:
God is alive.
God is saving all mankind.
God is saving the believer in a special way.(for a particular purpose)
Not all are believers.
Niether belief nor unbelief change the fact that God is saving all.
We will suffer reproach for serving this God.
If I'm off my nut here straighten me out please!

FineLinen

#16
June 05, 2009, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: lsmann2 on June 04, 2009, 01:45:39 AM
I think this verse can be extrapulated out to show the following:
God is alive.
God is saving all mankind.
God is saving the believer in a special way.(for a particular purpose)
Not all are believers.
Niether belief nor unbelief change the fact that God is saving all.
We will suffer reproach for serving this God.
If I'm off my nut here straighten me out please!

From one nut to another....You are correct!

God Is

We all know the apostle John's statement that God is love. But what else does the Bible specifically declare God to be with the terms, "God is..." or "the Lord is..."?

From Numbers...

The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy

From Deuteronomy, we get...

God is a consuming fire.

God is a merciful God.

God is a jealous God.

In Samuel, Hannah says...

The Lord is a God of knowledge

2 Chronicles reports that...

God is gracious and merciful

Psalm 47 declares...

God is the King of all the earth

Psalm 75 says...

God is the judge

Psalm 103 declares that...

The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

Psalm 111 says...

The Lord is gracious and full of compassion.

Psalm 116 says...

God is gracious and merciful

Psalm 145...

The Lord is good and righteous

Isaiah says...

The Lord is a God of judgment.

The Lord is our judge, our lawgiver and our king.

Jeremiah says

God is the true God, the living God and an everlasting king.

Nahum says...

The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power.

Daniel 9 declares...

God is righteous in all his works

In the Gospel of John, Jesus says...

God is a Spirit

To the Corinthians, Paul says...

God is faithful

God is true

From Hebrews...

God is a consuming fire.

The apostle John writes that...

God is light

God is love

Peter says...

The Lord is faithful

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?

FineLinen

#17
June 18, 2009, 03:05:30 AM Last Edit: October 06, 2009, 04:10:24 PM by FineLinen
Our God is the Saviour of all mankind. He is not the potential Saviour, He is the Saviour of all mankind, all, the whole enchilada. 

But

And, it is a large but indeed, our God is the Saviour especially of those who place their trust in Him (who believe).

Especially=

To distinctly greater extent than is common.

Exceptionally: To an unusual or exceptional degree.

Particularly: Used to single out one among a range.

Expressly: For a particular or specific purpose.

To an extent or degree deserving of special emphasis.

Only=

Exclusive of anyone or anything else.

Alone of its or their kind; single or solitary.

Alone deserving consideration.



Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?
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