the little goats

[marie glen]

I never realized the goats Jesus was talking about was kids or little goats..

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/25-33.htm

2055. eriphion ►
Strong's Concordance
eriphion: a little young goat

                ....and of course translators running a little further with it? (imo) :
(figuratively) someone rejecting Christ's Lordship, i.e. who will not follow His will and hence is small (puny) in God's sight. ( :Ptuwee" ) back to man's will trumping God's.. Not seeing verses which say He chooses the 'elect' = believers who believe during this brief life.. "He hardens whom He will"


...the little goats.. Doesn't sound like getting ready to toss them alive into fire to roast for ever and ever.. I even read.. somewhere..? of painting(s?) with Jesus with the sheep, with a goat carried on His shoulder.. whether true :dunno:

I think like prophecy - of Jesus - of eschatology - as telescoping (the way it's written) and I think more and more it also may apply to the verse "where they hadn't heard, they shall believe" (paraphrased rather poorly? And I couldn't find it by googling - verse where they hadn't heard, they shall believe - so the paraphrase is off..) The verse as you know is about the gentiles coming to the faith.. so I could find the verse easily, but I'm feeling a bit lazy..

[sheila]

two lots..the Lord's lot  and Azazel's.parable where He send's His son...the heir...and they kill him and seize the vineyard..the return where he destroys those who did not

desire Him to be king over them.Positive negative=sheep /goat.further dividing of positive/negative=Lord's goat[prodigal's in corrupt image] lot..and Azazel's lot=goat

shaped demons in the wilderness.Basiclly,Jesus seperates evil spirits[sin]from corrupted man .whenJesus bore our sin[appearance as Lord's lot/goat]...and took away

all their sin[lead scapegoat away..in the wilderness[bearing all the responsibility of the people's sin on it's head]..never to enter Holy city.[atonement]


rebellious stubborn willfullness in opposition to God"s way=evil spirit. liar/robber/thief/murderer makes God's temple/man's body..a den of iniquity instead of communion

with God.Judas goats lead sheep[men]to slaughter[obedience over sacrifice]False shepherd's,false-christs false apostle's=satan imitating as an angel of light/LIAR WHICH

lie originates from this spirit of rebellion which began in heaven.


the'altar'ofGod[Lord's lot]changes in the twinkling of an eye such men..and their spirits become meek/teachable.


Now..a goat is oft pictured as a leader/shepherd of sheep,not a follower..and have been know to clean out weeds...chewing and obliverating the seeds viabilty to reseed

pasture.You can see Jesus doing this..'YOU have heard it said..BUT I SAY"as He cast off the dung. But feral/wild goats are still a danger to propagate weeds[wilderness]

and as Judas goats lead sheep to slaughter for their master[satan/sin entered]Blind Pharisee's!Hypocrites!..the blind lead the blind!LEADERS AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART

[JESUS}versus LEADERS IN OPPOSITION to the will/wayof God[examine Israel's kings..good.evil].


  God makes a distinction between the rebellious spirit operating in man's flesh..andman...God considers man lead off in such captivity as'stolen temple vessels of which

the king of Babylon drank filthy wine of fornication from.Man's body made for HIS SPIRIT to dwell in....not satn's hard-hearted evil lawless spirit .Satan's seduction as

an adversary of God to enter as a man of sin[corruption/filthy union]into His dwelling place is spiritual adultery against God.coveting both His throne and place of His feet[I

will walk in them] The uncircumcized will NEVER enter you again[outside are thedogs,adulterers]sons of God present themselves..satan  :2c:entered in among them]


the good and the bad..of man[know good and evil]tokogae-sin entered ....are invited to the wedding supper/peace to him far and near..good news unto All men.


But the Most Holy of UNIONS  will not have sin as a body member[temporal 'man of sin"will not be re-membered] in that BODY PERFECT assembly.but be takenawy

into an uninhabited land/perdition] :2c:


...from now on call no man unclean[even if prodigal/caught in act of sin] for they are 'holiness unto the Lord"It's not the healthy that need

a physician[healed]but the[sin]sick. the sin-wounded,those dying/dead from sin.Is it lawful to kill or heal on the Sabbath?Adam's first Sabbath[Godrested]satan killed him.

o'lawless one! the law was written for thelawless-the adversary spirits/satanandhis that lied..to ADAM..robbed God and man of their union and killed man.the Sabbath

made for man's sake!!!our flesh will rest in the dust..no longer a slave to sin...lay our burden down!!!Our spirit return home to the Father..carrying no burden into that

Holy city,Jerusalem above!


You could say..man's sinful flesh is as a goat..His spirit a sheep..and since the spirit of man is God's son..you will note the Father's hair white and like wool!!

[marie glen]

 :thumbsup: ..there's a verse in Ezekiel - I think it is - that says the goats in His congregation, butt the sheep aside.. The more carnal believers tend to butt aside the more Spirit filled? (who are more humble and meek? because of, and via God's Spirit) ...God separates the goat/carnal self of us from the sheep/born anew in His image, self of us (progressing to His image, that is).. And will also separate the sheep from the goats of the world and even congregation at His return.. Like the wheat and tares.. Tares gathered to Armageddon, and wheat into His barn for the wedding supper/union. This whole foundation and all important lesson of good from evil, being a learning experience and tool for separating the chaff/carnal from the wheat of each one of us, and ultimately of all.. :thumbsup: :banana:

[Patinak]

Glenda,

I would like to read about the goats butting the sheep aside.  I don't find it in Ezekiel, got any idea where?

Thanks,
Pat

[sheila]

Ezekiel ch 34...I will judge between a sheep and sheep...I think that is  what she is referring to,Patinak.

[marie glen]

yep Ezekiel 34

16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.

18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?

19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.

20 Therefore thus saith the Lord God unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.

21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;

22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

24 And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it.

25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.

Of course we know that even the he goats/fat cattle and tares will ultimately be reconciled.. But there is still the reward of their doings to come upon their own heads - reap what they have sown..

[Patinak]

Thank you gracious ladies!
Pat

[sheila]

the sowers...God and satan........You sowed good seed..from whence come the tares?an enemy hath done this. one talent[wicked tare /adversary sown/hid in earth]

God sowed good seed Genesis 1;31..Satan sowed wickedness/tares in the earth[mans body].Genesis3;1-14..because YOU have donethis.

resurrection and judgement for things done in the body of man. Godshall be praised for every loving,kind good thing done in/through the bodyof man.

Satanshall be cursed for every wicked thing he did through the body of man.

the Princeof this world isjudged that his works[done through/in mans flesh/body]are wicked. :2c: