apollumi/lythesetai/katargeitai - consideration of theological translation bias

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The words considered are apollumi (G622 - apollymi), lythesetai (G3089 - lyo), and katargeo/katargeitai (G2673).

Rare usage of 'destroy' for translation of these words in non-eternal situations (here understood as those temporal situations where the eternal aspect of the destiny of the object of discussion is not specifically, nor even arguably, involved) in both the KJV and NASB has been suggested (here) as indicative of theological bias in their translations.

A statistical review of KJV usage indicates that the claim of rare usage of destroy(-ed)(/perish(-sfx)) for non-eternal situations is false for the KJV.

Thus, the claim of theological bias (for such translations of those words) cannot be justified on the basis of frequency of usage.

A review via blueletterbible.com of all uses of these words in the KJV
found that destroy(ed) (and perish(-suffix)) is used for these words
more frequently in temporal matters, and
less frequently in regard to any possible eternal destiny,
finding 73% temporal usage of destroy(ed) (usage not having to do with eternal destiny), 
and 27% usage that is arguably regarding eternal destiny (though some could be considered merely temporal.)

Finding a total of 33 uses (G622 - 26, G3089 - 2, G2673 - 5),
24 (G622- 19, G3089 - 1, G2673 - 4) are related to temporal, in this life/age, related events,
and 9 are related to arguably eternal destiny (though some of these may have actually been temporal in nature as well.)

Review of roots of those words did not find any translations of the roots or roots of roots etc. as destroy(ed).

I did observe 'perish'(-suffix) is also among the translations for G622 apollymi, and examined that as well.
apollymi appears as perish(-suffix) 33 times,
with 55% being temporal in nature
and 45% being eternal or arguably so
Thus perish also could not be considered as being rarely applied to items in a temporal context.

Any other related forms/translations of these words I have overlooked that would significantly alter these statistics, or perhaps lend credibility to the notion that theological bias existed in the translation of these words in KJV?

Any egregious error of scholarship (mis-counts/-calculations, overlooked word usage, or ?) observed?

The specific data with some comments follows below.

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apollymi/apollumi, G622

KJV (TR source?) G622 appears 26 (19? 'destroy' +7'destroyed' as G622) times in NT as 'destroy' (G622 appears 100 times in 86 verses total, the other usages (100-26=74) not translated as destroy/destroyed.)

Of those 26 times,
(T) 19 - temporal or non-man events
(T/E?) 6 - possibly temporal, but arguably eternal
(E) 1 eternal

verses (or parts of them) translating as destroy/destroyed
1. (T) Matt 2:13
... and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy G622 him.
2. (T/E?) Matt 10:28 (arguably eternal, but arguably not - this appears to be situation of rich man lazarus)
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy G622 both soul and body in hell.
3. (T) Matt 12:14
Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy G622 him.
4. (T/E?) Matt 21:41
He will miserably destroy G622 those wicked men and will let out his vineyard unto ...
5. (T/E?) Matt 22:7
...and he sent forth his armies and destroyed G622 those murderers and burned up their city
6. (T) Mat 27:20
But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy G622 Jesus.
7. (T) Mar 1:24 (Note that similar story in Matthew 8:29, demons' inquiry was if Jesus came to 'torment' G984 before the time)
Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy G622 us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
8. (T) Mar 3:6
And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy G622 him.
9. (T) Mar 9:22
And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy G622 him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.
10. (T) Mar 11:18
And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy G622 him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.
11. (T/E?) Mar 12:9
What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy G622 the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
12. (T) Luk 4:34 (noted again here, in Matt 8:29, demons' inquiry is about 'torment'ing, rather than destroy'ing)
Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy G622 us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
13. (T) Luk 6:9
Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy G622 it?
14. (T) Luk 9:56
For the Son of man is not come to destroy G622 men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
15. (T) Luk 17:27
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed G622 them all.
16. (T) Luk 17:29
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed G622 them all.
17. (T) Luk 19:47
And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy G622 him,
18. (T/E?) Luk 20:16
He shall come and destroy G622 these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
19. (T/E?) Jhn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy G622: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
20. (T) Rom 14:15
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy G622 not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
21. (T) 1Co 1:19
For it is written, I will destroy G622 the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
22. (T) 1Co 10:9
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed G622 of serpents.
23. (T) 1Co 10:10
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed G622 of the destroyer.
24. (T) 2Co 4:9
Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; G622
25. (E) Jas 4:12
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: G622 who art thou that judgest another?
26. (T) Jde 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed G622 them that believed not.

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lythesetai
Strong's apparently lists as lyo, G3089 - root word

appears 46 times in 40 verses in KJV,
only 2x translated as destroy

(T) 1
(T/E?) 1

verses (or parts of them) translating as destroy/destroyed
1. (T) John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy G3089 this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
2. (T/E?) 1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy G3089 the works of the devil.

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G2673 katargeo (katargeitai)

appears 32 times in 26 verses in KJV NT, 5 are translated as destroy(ed)

4 of those is about a specific temporal (in this life/age) occurrence, though not necessarily physical in nature
1 relates to an eternal result but not about man perse, but about that which affects man (the destruction of 'death' itself)

(T) 4
(E) 1

verses (or parts of them) translating as destroy/destroyed
1. (T) Rom 6:6 (Paul is addressing not living a life of sin)
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, G2673 that henceforth we should not serve sin.
2. (T) 1 Co 6:13
Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy G2673 both it and them.
3. (E) 1 Co 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed G2673 is death.
4. (T) 2 Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy G2673 with the brightness of his coming:
5. (T) Heb 2:14 (temporal event in Jesus life, Jesus death to destroy the devil, overcome his dominion of death)
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy G2673 him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

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apollymi, G622 as perish

55% temporal (not specifically related nor arguably related to a fate of eternity)
45% eternal or at least arguably so

55% still a majority as temporal, can not really be considered 'rare'

(T) 18
(E)  8
(E?) 7

1. (T) Mat 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, G622 and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell
2. (T) Mat 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, G622 and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
3. (T) Mat 8:25
And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. G622
4 (T) Mat 9:17
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: G622 but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
5 (E?) Mat 18:14
Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. G622
6. (T) Mat 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish G622 with the sword.
7. (T) Mar 4:38
And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish? G622
8. (T) Luk 5:37
And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. G622
9. (T) Luk 8:24
And they came to him, and awoke him, saying, Master, master, we perish. G622 Then he arose, and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water: and they ceased, and there was a calm.
10. (T) Luk 11:51
From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished G622 between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
11 (E?) Luk 13:3
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall G622 all likewise perish. G622
12 (E?) Luk 13:5
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall G622 all likewise perish. G622
13 (T) Luk 13:33
Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish G622 out of Jerusalem.
14 (T) Luk 15:17
And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish G622 with hunger!
15 (E?) Luk 21:18
But there shall not an hair of your head perish. G622
16 (E) Jhn 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should G622 not perish, G622 but have eternal life.
17 (E) Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should G622 not perish, G622 but have everlasting life.
18 (T) Jhn 6:27
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, G622 but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
19 (E) Jhn 6:27
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, G622 but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
20 (T) Jhn 11:50
Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish G622 not.
21 (T) Act 5:37
After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; G622 and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
22 (E?) Rom 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall G622 also perish G622 without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
23 (E) 1Co 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish G622 foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
24 (E?) 1Co 8:11
And through thy knowledge shall G622 the weak brother perish, G622 for whom Christ died?
25 (E) 1Co 15:18
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. G622
26 (E) 2Co 2:15
For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: G622
27 (E) 2Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; G622 because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
28 (E) Heb 1:11
They shall perish; G622 but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
29 (T) Jas 1:11
For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: G622 so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
30 (T) 1Pe 1:7
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, G622 though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
31 (T) 2Pe 3:6
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: G622
32 (E?) 2Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, G622 but that all should come to repentance.
33 (T) Jde 1:11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished G622 in the gainsaying of Core.

[eaglesway]

Rare usage is not the issue, mstranslation is. Also I wonder how throughly you studied this, because out of 92 occurrences appollumi is used as destroyed only around 15 times and as you listed the percentages and all I dont think you looked at all of them in context, but are using the words of commentators.

Therefore the issue is this.

If appollumi is used as destroy 15 times, and the rest of the time is is "lost" "perished" "ruined" etc, how is it that you determine it ought to "authoritatively" be read as "destroyed".

In other words if it is "lost" in one place and Jesus spoke in that one place- WHO DECIDES IT IS USED IN A CERTAIN WAY IN ANOTHER PLACE? You? Some commentator who is already biased towards destruction in Hell forever?

The problem I have with your method is you want to pick apart words and ignore context.

NAS: at that time was destroyed(appolumi), being flooded... 2 Pet 3:9 If that word is read as destroyed, which I will cede, altho it could just as easily be read "riuned", "wasted".....

We know that the world itself was not actually destroyed in the sense that it no longer existed. It was purged of evil men but not of evil. It was not tormented eternally. To destroy does not mean to eternally toment.

Jesus said, "I came to seek and save that which is lost(apollumi)"

In that case, by your reasoning, our point is sustained because Jesus came to seek and save that which was destroyed, and will not finish until He has done all that He said... "If I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto me".

If destruction means eternal torment How can Jesus truthfully say that, or say

"Behold, I am making all things new, write down these words, for they are faithful and true"

But they are not faithful and true if He is leaving a mass of humanity and fallen angels in the lake of fire for eternity AND

If they are eternaly tormented- THEY ARE NOT DESTROYED ARE THEY? They are still in existence, still conscious, and still separated from God,
so....

Jesus is a liar. The Bible is a joke. And eternal torment in Hell is forever.

The truth is that that foul poison is so deeply ingrained in its proponets that they are unable to see simple contextual confirmations like

That which is still alive and in torment has not been destroyed. That which is being tormented is not dead.

If Jesus came to save that which was destroyed/lost/apollumi, then apollumi DEFINITELY CANNOT MEAN ETRNAL TORMENT, unless one believes Jesus cannot do what He says, and is just speaking in generalities

But that would be a mighty careless thing to do for MESSIAH who is THE LOGOS, wouldnt it?

[eaglesway]

Lysethetai is one of my favorite biblical words. It means dissolved.

2 Pet 3

The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish(apollumi), but everyone to come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements(stoicheia) will be dissolved(lythestai) in the fire, and the earth and its works will not be found. 11Since everything will be dissolved(heuresthetai-exposed) in this way, what kind of people ought you to be?

SO Peter reaffirms that the Lord does not want anyone to appolumi- be lost, to preish, or to be destroyed.

But these translators have played fast and loose with words, interchanging "destroyed" and "dissolved" as it suits them with no consistency.

In my example above dissolved is used twice but the word  "heuresthetai" is not dissolved or destroyed- it is "exposed".

In verse 11 which in the King James we have "destroyed" again, but not apollumi or lysethetai- but heuresthetai- which means "exposed"

So, the earth is destroyed by it "works" being "exposed". and they are exposed by fire, or "pyr" which means, and I quote Strong's

Short Definition: I burn, am purified by fire
Definition: pass: I burn, am set on fire, am inflamed; glow with heat, am purified by fire.

So if Jesus is saving that which is "apollumi" by dissolving this present evil age and purifying it in the fire of His righteous love- then He has fulfilled His own word(who is the word). If His fire purifies, then that which is destroyed is the life lived in darkness and corruption, not the soul itself. And the purification that comes by exposure dissolves resistance as the love of God is revealed to the :eyes of the heart".

So the result of Peters dissolving by fire is that "we look forward to a new heavens and a new earth in which dwells righteousness".

As I hav posted many times, the word "stoicheion"- translated "elements"- is translated "elementary principles" every where else(Col 2, Hebrews 5 for ex.) So..

The elementary principles are dissolved, the earth is purified through the fire of His word, that whch oppses Him is dissolved and subjected, until God is all in all, "all things are made new" as Jesus proclaims in Rev 21:5. Then there is a new heavens and a new earth in which dwells righteousness- and not before.

How can the new heavens and the new earth be full of righteousness if people are being tormented forever? Revelations 14:10 states they are tormented by fire and brimstone "IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB ANF HIS HOLY ANGELS"- so how can there be a new heavens?

Surely heaven is where the Lamb is, surrounded by myriads and myriads of His holy ones.

Before there is a new heavens and a new earth, the fire HAS ALREADY DISSOLVED all that resists the love of God, by fire all will have been purified, all resistance dissolved, every knee will have bowed and every tongue confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord - Because He must reign until every adversary is made a footstool for His feet, subjected to HIS LOVE.