sharing teaching in Universal Reconciliation in body where that isn't taught

[deeplyloved]

can someone share their experience/thoughts on sharing Universal Reconciliation with other dear brothers and sisters, in a body where that isn't taught?

I want to obey the Holy Spirit and not be perceived as sowing seeds of divisiveness.
Thanks...

[GodIsLove]

Hi deeply loved! Welcome!

I don't have any great ideas, I just wanted to say hello.

For the most part, I have shared UR with close family (my husband, my mom and a cousin) and with my good friend who is Jewish.

I guess I'd see if you feel moved to share and pray for guidance?

It's a tricky situation for sure. Planting seeds...

[Lazarus Short]

Point out that Hell is not Biblical, for it is not.

[Dandelion]

Pray and put on your full armor of God.

This was posted on fb today by a friend of mine, who is considered a staunch Christian, by many.

This false Jesus is loved by all professing Christians and by most of this wicked world.

Here are some of His attributes:

-He will allow everyone into Heaven.
- He came to bring peace, instead of division.
-He doesn't require obedience.
-He doesn't require holiness.
-He only preaches on love.
-He never says anything offensive.
- He never tells anyone they're wicked.
-He doesn't require repentance.
- He calls everyone His children.
-He will not send anyone to Hell.
-He wants you to do your own will.
-His commandments are just suggestions.

If you are following this false Jesus, his real name is Satan.

D.                                     :Pray:

[guest5685]

Pray and put on your full armor of God. This is what a close friend of mine posted on fb today.

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[eaglesway]

I would really seek God first. Unless you have enough credit with them that they will sit long enough to hear enough to change evn one mind or even crack the armor of false doctrine, you will likely just get excluded- which may very well be the will of God, but i would be sure I am being led by the Spirit. I have led some of my Christian friends to understanding UR, but it was in individual situations with people who were disposed to hear.  :2c:

[rosered]

 

  I have told a few   close ones about UR ,  most are still figuring it out ..

  Honestly  unless the Holy Spirit gives  it ,   and it is only ,, ONLY , through personal  agony and begging God for the truth and   knocking and seeking and searching
   Will it come as a  flood of peace and security   into the very fiber of your being  and you cannot be moved or swayed by all the outside "noise "  voices

  You will and can Hear the Shepherd's VOICE  to stay close and near Him  in every  attack against your faith .

  One thing that helped me  most       actually THE MOST ,, was realizing    I am not Jesus and not the savior of the world     ,  that belongs  to the  HOLY FATHER ONLY and that Glory is His , HE IS THE ONE WHOM    GAVE THE GRACE  THE LORD JESUS CHRIST   to keep our  mind and hearts and  eyes on HIM and listen when HE SPEAKS the Word to you ... Ask Him     and Him only , this advice from others  , it is not  nearly as comforting  , but can tear you apart inside

   the Battle is between your ears   and affects your heart   ..


None will have  His peace unless Given by Him only   .

  Dear Dandelion    , my oh , my  every   harsh point your friend is making  has  a scripture to counter  them

  For one  , If you ask him or her  what Heaven is they have no clear answer  , they have no idea what heaven means   in Gods WISDOM

Jesus gives His peace that the world can never give ! ,    only  a false sense of it   but   sudden destruction comes from that  false sense of peace

Obedience is    Jesus command so simple and  sweet ,GODS  Law written in our hearts is Love God first and everyone as yourself all the Law and prophets is Hung on these two  , everything else will fall into place    ... Love one another as I have loved YOU ..
  Does your friend want to be judged the   same   harsh way   , His/her  own points taken will judge him or her ?    WOW!    Time to turn around   that wisdom is foolishness  to God  , there is an air of self righteousness in   them  harsh opinions

Everyone is  being sifted as wheat and the chaff   will fail and fall away   ,    the Winnowing fan is in Jesus Christ hand  and that power is  His being the Head and authority  over all His body     , He has the power to cut it off ,  like a  poor branch that  is set for fire  , till the new sprout grows  back again ...

HE IS THE ROOT   

LOVE is the very  reason that the scribes , readers of the Word  , Pharriesses    as   heads  of authorities ,  whom have set themselves apart   from  everyone and everything as being evil , but say they have no sin   , no evil in them  ,   they speak the law but never love God first or anyone  is considered  as HOLY as them  :sigh:
Hypocrites     Jesus own Word is used against them / judges them , Do as they say not as they do   !  ...teaching the Law  of Moses and  sit in his seat    and are   unjust judges !   James   4 

  On and on , the Irony of it is the ones speaking the loudest   on the false   christ / anointed ones  is usually the ones    possessing that   same spirit   


Humble is the only way , needy  , poor  before the Lord is the only way  , knowing your own LACK , knowing  the only perfect one is Jesus Christ and desiring to be so hidden in Him   , you cannot see yourself as important   any  longer ,
  Its those thinking they are important and doing God such a  great service that have deceived their own hearts and are the blind guides   , false heads   that will be chopped off  ,  remember that  John the baptist     come in the Name of Jesus Christ    from the wilderness    to proclaim   the Lord in His coming  , He represents       
   
     those whom   the violence   was the kingdom of God  coming by force    ....   

  But  Jesus own words is that   even the least in the Kingdom / the new and better way  though grace of the Lord Jesus Christ  work / was greater than    John !!

  and JESUS SAYS  he is the good shepherd      and His sheep Hear His Voice and    those given ears to hear Him  are hearing what the Spirit is saying  SPIRIT TRUTH  is how we shall worship God    the Father no other way  in the Kingdom of  heaven/God       

      John 10
...7So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.


8"All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.


9"I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture....

HIS BODY/ seed is the WORD/   CHRIST    and discerning His Body of believers [true connection and it is by LOVE ARE INNOCENT  OF VIOLENCE against Him  ,  is the only shelter from the   wicked  world , we also inherited   though   seed of Adam = mankind , that no flesh and blood  inherits  Gods Spiritual kingdom of heaven /ABOVE  and not below ....earthly sensual and devilish  , vexing to the very Spirit of God in you ..

  Saul / Paul's conversion is a  great example  and  proof of that   ...  When Saul was persecuting the  new born  babe  believers  , the little ones in Christ ....

Anyone opposing   is bringing judgment on  their own heads  :sigh:  Looking at Paul's suffering   for  Jesus Christ name sake  is also the proof of that  , from his turning around point , loosing his head and  putting Christ HEAD  in authority      to the   NEW WAY  OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST  ,   Saul / Paul suffered in the same manner that he himself had brought suffering on the innocent    little ones ,  My what a change of garments  !   from the   bloody red one to the white        one in Christ ....


so sorry this ran so long , it was not intended  to ...

[GodIsLove]

"  Honestly  unless the Holy Spirit gives  it ,   and it is only ,, ONLY , through personal  agony and begging God for the truth and   knocking and seeking and searching
   Will it come as a  flood of peace and security   into the very fiber of your being  and you cannot be moved or swayed by all the outside "noise "  voices"

This was how I was given the understanding of UR.

Of the people I shared UR with:
My mom (a Catholic) believes in it
My husband (a Catholic) is just happy I'm done with my mini-obsession of trying to find the truth, which lasted several weeks this past fall
My cousin (Catholic turned Pentecostal turned Baptist) argued back and forth with me with bible verses and such, and then I learned that you can't argue/debate/convince anyone of this truth, like Rose said it comes from the Holy Spirit. Interestingly since our exchanged she's softened on talking about hell and is less judgemental and more loving (she's said this to me)
My friend (Jewish) is just happy I don't think she's going to burn in hell for all eternity. She's married to a Christian who believes in UR

So I wasn't too successful with "convincing" anyone, and now I am content to love all and try to show them God's love through that...pray...plant occasional seeds...and trust God.

[rosered]

"  Honestly  unless the Holy Spirit gives  it ,   and it is only ,, ONLY , through personal  agony and begging God for the truth and   knocking and seeking and searching
   Will it come as a  flood of peace and security   into the very fiber of your being  and you cannot be moved or swayed by all the outside "noise "  voices"

This was how I was given the understanding of UR.

Of the people I shared UR with:
My mom (a Catholic) believes in it
My husband (a Catholic) is just happy I'm done with my mini-obsession of trying to find the truth, which lasted several weeks this past fall
My cousin (Catholic turned Pentecostal turned Baptist) argued back and forth with me with bible verses and such, and then I learned that you can't argue/debate/convince anyone of this truth, like Rose said it comes from the Holy Spirit. Interestingly since our exchanged she's softened on talking about hell and is less judgemental and more loving (she's said this to me)
My friend (Jewish) is just happy I don't think she's going to burn in hell for all eternity. She's married to a Christian who believes in UR

So I wasn't too successful with "convincing" anyone, and now I am content to love all and try to show them God's love through that...pray...plant occasional seeds...and trust God.

  You are right that is how it come to me  :sigh:  to many other voices got in the way   .. deprogramming    :doh:   and we can convince no one   ever .. seeds planted  and watered     and HOLY SPIRIT   conceived in their own minds  :winkgrin:  become pregnant with (a child).  Christ  anointing in you the Hope of Glory REV 12    virgin with child  having the      testimony of Jesus Christ
2.
form or devise (a plan or idea) in the mind.

I am glad your  change come easier  :dsunny:    Blessings    :HeartThrob:

[Aerex]

Why would Satan want everyone to go to heaven? The argument is not even logical.

[deeplyloved]

Thank you.

...responses reassuring and much appreciated!

Abounding Blessings to all!

[sheila]

  I will share some things I expierenced when I first learned about His salvation of all.  I run copies off the internet,then took them

  to the local print shop...and went and visited family and friends,and give each a packet.

  if they were agreeable to my sharing verbally in conversations...I was more than happy to speak about all these wonderful things.

....I invited everyone of them..to pray to the Father about it..if they were unsure...and ask Him if it was true. And the Holy spirit

give testimony to them in different ways.

     but,it was just as He told in the parable of the sower.  Some accepted immediately..then retreated back into the old familiar

  doctrines.  some seed sowed was immediatly gulped down by birds.  some threw it in the trash without reading any of it.

  some..when they heard about His plan of  the salvation of all...their face lit up..and they said 'yes,that's exactly what He would do"!!

and it put a smile on their face  When I shared it with the beautician doing my hair..she rejoiced and hugged me and was so delighted!

right there in the walmart store!!![and she attended our local pentecostal church]

   for the most part..I have found that the common non-religious folks recieve it better..but not always.. a dear woman in line for

visitation at the funeral home..recieved it with great joy...she had been talking with me about the local churches being dead spiritually

and her concern..when I shared the revelation. A wonderful hispanic friend of the catholic faith that stopped to visit outside the hospital

when my Mom was in ICU said 'THAT'S EXACTLY SOMETHING HE WOULD DO'!!  The two young mormon boys at my door listened

and  asked questions for an hour.

   I was already called out of the very legalistic religious denomination I was in..and they would never ever tolerate such a thing,so

it was through informal sharing that  any of this happened.

   for those of you still associating in some of these religious bodies..may I remind you of this. Mt 10;16  Behold, I send you forth

  as sheep in the midst of wolves,be ye therefore as wise as serpents and harmless as doves.  But beware of men,for they will

deliver you up to the councils..and they will scourge you in their synagogues. and ye shall be brought before governors and kings

  for my sake ..FOR A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM AND THE GENTILES.   so remember..it may not be for the purpose of giving

the revelation to them as a body..that He sends you....His purpose may be another,in the matter.

...for it is He that shall humble the proud..and lift the lowly.

   

[rosered]

Why would Satan want everyone to go to heaven? The argument is not even logical.

  Exactly  Aerex ,

   For me  , Heaven is a state of being , not some far off place  folks imagine  it to be ... an after literal death experience...

  Satan is never allowed  back  in ''heaven''  , but bound , because   the darkness cannot stand the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ    in you ,  he is only loosed  one last time to make war with Jesus  and his holy ones  and we all know how that goes ,,,

    James 4   Wash your hands you sinners  clean hearts   ,   draw  close to God and  God will you  the devil has to LEAVE    ... GO ...

  GOD  is never  far away from anyone of us   Acts 17; 27]26  and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,

27that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

28for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'...


7Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

8Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom....

The exalted/raised up  will be humbled / brought low and the humbled ,   lifted up / exalted    BY THE LORD  in Himself , If I be Lifted up I will draw all men unto ME    seated in Christ in heavenly places .... 

[rosered]

  Yes sister Shelia , is the first one who told me of the Salvation of all    though Jesus Christ victorious  gospel    :HeartThrob:

[eaglesway]

I routinely share the salvation of all and I have seen people just light up right off the bat with it, it doesnt always have to be at the end of some torturous spiritual journey just because it was for some of us.

After all, it is the gospel and the Holy Spirit will bear witness to it in the heart of the hearer, especially if they are open to God generally.

But I would be careful to cherck with the Holy Spirit before I would share it in an ET church.

[rosered]

I routinely share the salvation of all and I have seen people just light up right off the bat with it, it doesnt always have to be at the end of some torturous spiritual journey just because it was for some of us.

After all, it is the gospel and the Holy Spirit will bear witness to it in the heart of the hearer, especially if they are open to God generally.

But I would be careful to cherck with the Holy Spirit before I would share it in an ET church.

Exactly !!!    being ''debugged ''  is a painful process  :punish: :sigh:

  That just maybe  Why the Holy Spirit is the teacher and comforter  :thumbsup:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: As in all things be led by the Spirit. When something is not made bread in you yet (Word that's gone thru the fire) it's nearly impossible I've found to share it adequately. Sometimes you just can't find the right words without sounding like a lunatic and scaring them off. This has been my experience, anyway. Blessings..

[GodIsLove]

:cloud9: As in all things be led by the Spirit. When something is not made bread in you yet (Word that's gone thru the fire) it's nearly impossible I've found to share it adequately. Sometimes you just can't find the right words without sounding like a lunatic and scaring them off. This has been my experience, anyway. Blessings..

Great point and I love the way you describe it. :thumbsup:

[deeplyloved]

yup, i receive that good word...thanks Cardinal.

[Ross]

The disciples were told not to think about what to say for at the right time they would be vessels which God would use to say things.
Studying the word gives us data; God uses that data as He sees fit.

[Dandelion]

Lots of good points made here.

Seek the Holy Spirit, in all your decisions; know that He will give you the words, when needed; be discerning, in the Spirit; know that you are only a catalyst and that only the Spirit can lead someone to the truth and be patient, understanding and a good example, to all.

Thank you, everyone.

D.                         :HeartThrob:

[Eduard]

Have a look at my thread, please. It's on topic with your question.

:2c:

http://tentmaker.org/forum/arguments-against-universal-salvation/summary-of-a-debate-i-had-today/

[rosered]

Have a look at my thread, please. It's on topic with your question.

:2c:

http://tentmaker.org/forum/arguments-against-universal-salvation/summary-of-a-debate-i-had-today/

:thumbsup:   :icon_flower:     :HeartThrob:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I wanted to add, that when I'VE tried to share, I make a mess of it and nothing right comes to mind. When I was SUPPOSED to share, I couldn't keep the words from rolling out, even if I personally didn't want to at that moment, for whatever reason. He has a way of getting His way, one way or another.  :laughing7:  blessings...

[Ross]

Amen! Awesome really. :dsunny: