can someone share their experience/thoughts on sharing Universal Reconciliation with other dear brothers and sisters, in a body where that isn't taught?
I want to obey the Holy Spirit and not be perceived as sowing seeds of divisiveness.
Thanks...
Hi deeply loved! Welcome!
I don't have any great ideas, I just wanted to say hello.
For the most part, I have shared UR with close family (my husband, my mom and a cousin) and with my good friend who is Jewish.
I guess I'd see if you feel moved to share and pray for guidance?
It's a tricky situation for sure. Planting seeds...
Point out that Hell is not Biblical, for it is not.
Pray and put on your full armor of God.
This was posted on fb today by a friend of mine, who is considered a staunch Christian, by many.
This false Jesus is loved by all professing Christians and by most of this wicked world.
Here are some of His attributes:
-He will allow everyone into Heaven.
- He came to bring peace, instead of division.
-He doesn't require obedience.
-He doesn't require holiness.
-He only preaches on love.
-He never says anything offensive.
- He never tells anyone they're wicked.
-He doesn't require repentance.
- He calls everyone His children.
-He will not send anyone to Hell.
-He wants you to do your own will.
-His commandments are just suggestions.
If you are following this false Jesus, his real name is Satan.
D. :Pray:
Quote from: Dandelion on December 09, 2015, 07:54:25 AM
Pray and put on your full armor of God. This is what a close friend of mine posted on fb today.
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I would really seek God first. Unless you have enough credit with them that they will sit long enough to hear enough to change evn one mind or even crack the armor of false doctrine, you will likely just get excluded- which may very well be the will of God, but i would be sure I am being led by the Spirit. I have led some of my Christian friends to understanding UR, but it was in individual situations with people who were disposed to hear. :2c:
I have told a few close ones about UR , most are still figuring it out ..
Honestly unless the Holy Spirit gives it , and it is only ,, ONLY , through personal agony and begging God for the truth and knocking and seeking and searching
Will it come as a flood of peace and security into the very fiber of your being and you cannot be moved or swayed by all the outside "noise " voices
You will and can Hear the Shepherd's VOICE to stay close and near Him in every attack against your faith .
One thing that helped me most actually THE MOST ,, was realizing I am not Jesus and not the savior of the world , that belongs to the HOLY FATHER ONLY and that Glory is His , HE IS THE ONE WHOM GAVE THE GRACE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST to keep our mind and hearts and eyes on HIM and listen when HE SPEAKS the Word to you ... Ask Him and Him only , this advice from others , it is not nearly as comforting , but can tear you apart inside
the Battle is between your ears and affects your heart ..
None will have His peace unless Given by Him only .
Dear Dandelion , my oh , my every harsh point your friend is making has a scripture to counter them
For one , If you ask him or her what Heaven is they have no clear answer , they have no idea what heaven means in Gods WISDOM
Jesus gives His peace that the world can never give ! , only a false sense of it but sudden destruction comes from that false sense of peace
Obedience is Jesus command so simple and sweet ,GODS Law written in our hearts is Love God first and everyone as yourself all the Law and prophets is Hung on these two , everything else will fall into place ... Love one another as I have loved YOU ..
Does your friend want to be judged the same harsh way , His/her own points taken will judge him or her ? WOW! Time to turn around that wisdom is foolishness to God , there is an air of self righteousness in them harsh opinions
Everyone is being sifted as wheat and the chaff will fail and fall away , the Winnowing fan is in Jesus Christ hand and that power is His being the Head and authority over all His body , He has the power to cut it off , like a poor branch that is set for fire , till the new sprout grows back again ...
HE IS THE ROOT
LOVE is the very reason that the scribes , readers of the Word , Pharriesses as heads of authorities , whom have set themselves apart from everyone and everything as being evil , but say they have no sin , no evil in them , they speak the law but never love God first or anyone is considered as HOLY as them :sigh:
Hypocrites Jesus own Word is used against them / judges them , Do as they say not as they do ! ...teaching the Law of Moses and sit in his seat and are unjust judges ! James 4
On and on , the Irony of it is the ones speaking the loudest on the false christ / anointed ones is usually the ones possessing that same spirit
Humble is the only way , needy , poor before the Lord is the only way , knowing your own LACK , knowing the only perfect one is Jesus Christ and desiring to be so hidden in Him , you cannot see yourself as important any longer ,
Its those thinking they are important and doing God such a great service that have deceived their own hearts and are the blind guides , false heads that will be chopped off , remember that John the baptist come in the Name of Jesus Christ from the wilderness to proclaim the Lord in His coming , He represents
those whom the violence was the kingdom of God coming by force ....
But Jesus own words is that even the least in the Kingdom / the new and better way though grace of the Lord Jesus Christ work / was greater than John !!
and JESUS SAYS he is the good shepherd and His sheep Hear His Voice and those given ears to hear Him are hearing what the Spirit is saying SPIRIT TRUTH is how we shall worship God the Father no other way in the Kingdom of heaven/God
John 10
...7So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8"All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9"I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture....
HIS BODY/ seed is the WORD/ CHRIST and discerning His Body of believers [true connection and it is by LOVE ARE INNOCENT OF VIOLENCE against Him , is the only shelter from the wicked world , we also inherited though seed of Adam = mankind , that no flesh and blood inherits Gods Spiritual kingdom of heaven /ABOVE and not below ....earthly sensual and devilish , vexing to the very Spirit of God in you ..
Saul / Paul's conversion is a great example and proof of that ... When Saul was persecuting the new born babe believers , the little ones in Christ ....
Anyone opposing is bringing judgment on their own heads :sigh: Looking at Paul's suffering for Jesus Christ name sake is also the proof of that , from his turning around point , loosing his head and putting Christ HEAD in authority to the NEW WAY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST , Saul / Paul suffered in the same manner that he himself had brought suffering on the innocent little ones , My what a change of garments ! from the bloody red one to the white one in Christ ....
so sorry this ran so long , it was not intended to ...
" Honestly unless the Holy Spirit gives it , and it is only ,, ONLY , through personal agony and begging God for the truth and knocking and seeking and searching
Will it come as a flood of peace and security into the very fiber of your being and you cannot be moved or swayed by all the outside "noise " voices"
This was how I was given the understanding of UR.
Of the people I shared UR with:
My mom (a Catholic) believes in it
My husband (a Catholic) is just happy I'm done with my mini-obsession of trying to find the truth, which lasted several weeks this past fall
My cousin (Catholic turned Pentecostal turned Baptist) argued back and forth with me with bible verses and such, and then I learned that you can't argue/debate/convince anyone of this truth, like Rose said it comes from the Holy Spirit. Interestingly since our exchanged she's softened on talking about hell and is less judgemental and more loving (she's said this to me)
My friend (Jewish) is just happy I don't think she's going to burn in hell for all eternity. She's married to a Christian who believes in UR
So I wasn't too successful with "convincing" anyone, and now I am content to love all and try to show them God's love through that...pray...plant occasional seeds...and trust God.
Quote" Honestly unless the Holy Spirit gives it , and it is only ,, ONLY , through personal agony and begging God for the truth and knocking and seeking and searching
Will it come as a flood of peace and security into the very fiber of your being and you cannot be moved or swayed by all the outside "noise " voices"
This was how I was given the understanding of UR.
Of the people I shared UR with:
My mom (a Catholic) believes in it
My husband (a Catholic) is just happy I'm done with my mini-obsession of trying to find the truth, which lasted several weeks this past fall
My cousin (Catholic turned Pentecostal turned Baptist) argued back and forth with me with bible verses and such, and then I learned that you can't argue/debate/convince anyone of this truth, like Rose said it comes from the Holy Spirit. Interestingly since our exchanged she's softened on talking about hell and is less judgemental and more loving (she's said this to me)
My friend (Jewish) is just happy I don't think she's going to burn in hell for all eternity. She's married to a Christian who believes in UR
So I wasn't too successful with "convincing" anyone, and now I am content to love all and try to show them God's love through that...pray...plant occasional seeds...and trust God.
You are right that is how it come to me :sigh: to many other voices got in the way .. deprogramming :doh: and we can convince no one ever .. seeds planted and watered and HOLY SPIRIT conceived in their own minds :winkgrin: become pregnant with (a child). Christ anointing in you the Hope of Glory REV 12 virgin with child having the testimony of Jesus Christ
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form or devise (a plan or idea) in the mind.
I am glad your change come easier :dsunny: Blessings :HeartThrob:
Why would Satan want everyone to go to heaven? The argument is not even logical.
Thank you.
...responses reassuring and much appreciated!
Abounding Blessings to all!
I will share some things I expierenced when I first learned about His salvation of all. I run copies off the internet,then took them
to the local print shop...and went and visited family and friends,and give each a packet.
if they were agreeable to my sharing verbally in conversations...I was more than happy to speak about all these wonderful things.
....I invited everyone of them..to pray to the Father about it..if they were unsure...and ask Him if it was true. And the Holy spirit
give testimony to them in different ways.
but,it was just as He told in the parable of the sower. Some accepted immediately..then retreated back into the old familiar
doctrines. some seed sowed was immediatly gulped down by birds. some threw it in the trash without reading any of it.
some..when they heard about His plan of the salvation of all...their face lit up..and they said 'yes,that's exactly what He would do"!!
and it put a smile on their face When I shared it with the beautician doing my hair..she rejoiced and hugged me and was so delighted!
right there in the walmart store!!![and she attended our local pentecostal church]
for the most part..I have found that the common non-religious folks recieve it better..but not always.. a dear woman in line for
visitation at the funeral home..recieved it with great joy...she had been talking with me about the local churches being dead spiritually
and her concern..when I shared the revelation. A wonderful hispanic friend of the catholic faith that stopped to visit outside the hospital
when my Mom was in ICU said 'THAT'S EXACTLY SOMETHING HE WOULD DO'!! The two young mormon boys at my door listened
and asked questions for an hour.
I was already called out of the very legalistic religious denomination I was in..and they would never ever tolerate such a thing,so
it was through informal sharing that any of this happened.
for those of you still associating in some of these religious bodies..may I remind you of this. Mt 10;16 Behold, I send you forth
as sheep in the midst of wolves,be ye therefore as wise as serpents and harmless as doves. But beware of men,for they will
deliver you up to the councils..and they will scourge you in their synagogues. and ye shall be brought before governors and kings
for my sake ..FOR A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM AND THE GENTILES. so remember..it may not be for the purpose of giving
the revelation to them as a body..that He sends you....His purpose may be another,in the matter.
...for it is He that shall humble the proud..and lift the lowly.
Quote from: Aerex on December 09, 2015, 03:29:23 PM
Why would Satan want everyone to go to heaven? The argument is not even logical.
Exactly Aerex ,
For me , Heaven is a state of being , not some far off place folks imagine it to be ... an after literal death experience...
Satan is never allowed back in ''heaven'' , but bound , because the darkness cannot stand the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ in you , he is only loosed one last time to make war with Jesus and his holy ones and we all know how that goes ,,,
James 4 Wash your hands you sinners clean hearts , draw close to God and God will you the devil has to LEAVE ... GO ...
GOD is never far away from anyone of us Acts 17; 27]26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having
determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
27that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
28
for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'...
7Submit therefore to God.
Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and
purify your hearts,
you double-minded. 9Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom....
The exalted/raised up will be humbled / brought low and the humbled , lifted up / exalted BY THE LORD in Himself , If I be Lifted up I will draw all men unto ME seated in Christ in heavenly places ....
Yes sister Shelia , is the first one who told me of the Salvation of all though Jesus Christ victorious gospel :HeartThrob:
I routinely share the salvation of all and I have seen people just light up right off the bat with it, it doesnt always have to be at the end of some torturous spiritual journey just because it was for some of us.
After all, it is the gospel and the Holy Spirit will bear witness to it in the heart of the hearer, especially if they are open to God generally.
But I would be careful to cherck with the Holy Spirit before I would share it in an ET church.
Quote from: eaglesway on December 09, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
I routinely share the salvation of all and I have seen people just light up right off the bat with it, it doesnt always have to be at the end of some torturous spiritual journey just because it was for some of us.
After all, it is the gospel and the Holy Spirit will bear witness to it in the heart of the hearer, especially if they are open to God generally.
But I would be careful to cherck with the Holy Spirit before I would share it in an ET church.
Exactly !!! being ''debugged '' is a painful process :punish: :sigh:
That just maybe Why the Holy Spirit is the teacher and comforter :thumbsup:
:cloud9: As in all things be led by the Spirit. When something is not made bread in you yet (Word that's gone thru the fire) it's nearly impossible I've found to share it adequately. Sometimes you just can't find the right words without sounding like a lunatic and scaring them off. This has been my experience, anyway. Blessings..
Quote from: Cardinal on December 09, 2015, 11:00:13 PM
:cloud9: As in all things be led by the Spirit. When something is not made bread in you yet (Word that's gone thru the fire) it's nearly impossible I've found to share it adequately. Sometimes you just can't find the right words without sounding like a lunatic and scaring them off. This has been my experience, anyway. Blessings..
Great point and I love the way you describe it. :thumbsup:
yup, i receive that good word...thanks Cardinal.
The disciples were told not to think about what to say for at the right time they would be vessels which God would use to say things.
Studying the word gives us data; God uses that data as He sees fit.
Lots of good points made here.
Seek the Holy Spirit, in all your decisions; know that He will give you the words, when needed; be discerning, in the Spirit; know that you are only a catalyst and that only the Spirit can lead someone to the truth and be patient, understanding and a good example, to all.
Thank you, everyone.
D. :HeartThrob:
Have a look at my thread, please. It's on topic with your question.
:2c:
http://tentmaker.org/forum/arguments-against-universal-salvation/summary-of-a-debate-i-had-today/ (http://tentmaker.org/forum/arguments-against-universal-salvation/summary-of-a-debate-i-had-today/)
Quote from: Eduard on December 10, 2015, 07:55:43 AM
Have a look at my thread, please. It's on topic with your question.
:2c:
http://tentmaker.org/forum/arguments-against-universal-salvation/summary-of-a-debate-i-had-today/ (http://tentmaker.org/forum/arguments-against-universal-salvation/summary-of-a-debate-i-had-today/)
:thumbsup: :icon_flower: :HeartThrob:
:cloud9: I wanted to add, that when I'VE tried to share, I make a mess of it and nothing right comes to mind. When I was SUPPOSED to share, I couldn't keep the words from rolling out, even if I personally didn't want to at that moment, for whatever reason. He has a way of getting His way, one way or another. :laughing7: blessings...
Amen! Awesome really. :dsunny:
Right or wrong, I find I say less now than when God first showed me UR. I believe He just has me share a nugget sometimes, and sometimes just straight scripture with a smile :)
Example today, a friend posted on fb "the question isn't why would a loving God send people to hell. The question is, why would anyone choose hell over a loving God".
I responded "I Timothy 2:4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6Who gave himself a ransom for all, this to be a testimony at the proper time."
My thought was, I don't know if that will help at all. But then I'm reminded, "My Word will not return unto me void". Amen.
I believe you are right James
When it resonates with someone it is in Gods timing ....
You leave that person with a joy vibe in you and thankfulness to God , Him feeling near and not empty as if nothing ever happened
God sends the seeders and waterers all we can do is pray that God will give the increase .
:thumbsup: rose :dsunny:
God bless
God bless James :dsunny: His Word does not return void / empty
The harvest is plenty as Jesus spoke it from God
Quote from: jabcat on December 12, 2015, 12:40:27 AM
Right or wrong, I find I say less now than when God first showed me UR. I believe He just has me share a nugget sometimes, and sometimes just straight scripture with a smile :)
Example today, a friend posted on fb "the question isn't why would a loving God send people to hell. The question is, why would anyone choose hell over a loving God".
I responded "I Timothy 2:4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6Who gave himself a ransom for all, this to be a testimony at the proper time."
My thought was, I don't know if that will help at all. But then I'm reminded, "My Word will not return unto me void". Amen.
:cloud9: I agree and I think it has to do with Him being the master of the harvest. I've learned to rest in that. Blessings....
:friendstu: Jabcat, Rose and Cardinal. :cloud9: