Religous confusion

[chester-blowfold]

Hi. My name is Si.

My question is why in Christianity there seems to be so much inter religion hate?
example KJV readers seem to hate all.
Catholics seem to hate Protestants and Protestants seem to hate Catholics.
Now I know this is not all of those Catholics and Protestants but it certainly seems all of the KJV readers hate everyone else.
Why? is KJV the true word of God?
If so why would God hate? Why do so many (again not all, thankfully) Catholic and Protestants not get on?

Religious people, leaving me confused.

[Ross]

My question is why in Christianity there seems to be so much inter religion hate?
If so why would God hate? Why do so many (again not all, thankfully) Catholic and Protestants not get on?

Religious people, leaving me confused.

Hi Si;
Religious leaders over the years have deviated from the truth. The truth is supposed to set us free.

Jesus says many will do miracles in His name, cast out demons in His name, yet HE NEVER knew them.
Paul says that many will be Ministers of light, yet are actually servants of satan.


  Paul says;
  " I am convinced that NOTHING can keep us from the love of God In Christ Jesus His Son."

Jesus Has done everything necessary to allow us to be called sons of God.
1 John 3;1,2 State that we are children of God.
No father cast his kids in to eternal punishment.

At the moment many are under the law just like being below 18 years of age which keeps us from doing many things. When we come of age our doors are much wider. I.M.O so we become wiser as He teaches us at our appointed time.
Many will not be taught until the next age.
Feel free to keep searching and asking specific questions.

Have a great day.

[CST]

Welcome, Chester not mixing words there are we I expect you'll get on great here.

The short answer is that that's what happens when you believe your God hates most everyone and everything that exists, which you must do if you believe His ultimate intention is build the largest bonfire in history and than destroy must everything on it. It provides you with precisely no reason not to hate everyone and everything too with is much hatred as you can find. The catch being of course that actually this hatred thing is something that humans do much better than God and with very little prompting required.

[marie glen]

Sadly, what Ross wrote is true.. many will not progress a great deal until the next age.. Now we have all that "human nature" to deal with! Which since the beginning has been full of division (to say the least).

Also however, within the body of believers there is different interpretations of what the book/bible says and what the faith is! For some, we may disagree and point out errors of one another branches, but there is still brotherly affection.. now that's how it should be, of course.. but that old less than perfect human nature often gets in the way.

Many of us around here, for example, love the KJ.. the King's Englishe.. but we recognize some (very few) problems with a (very few) mistranlations of some key words. ..Added to these words are human myth and legend.. So it's a bit of a twisty tale! To be able to set it right and glean what was originally inspired to be written by God.

It doesn't mean we dislike those who adhere to the KJ.. But! Even the KJ is starting to back pedal from the idea of an eternal 'hell'.. The original greek translated eternal isn't eternal at all, but is age long, or ages.. even age to age.. but "forever" really is not there..

And hell, they are realizing (slowly it seems) should be the grave like in the old testament before sheol ("where there is no thought nor doing") became yet another myth of a shadowy 'afterlife' - In the bible it's resurrection, not 'immortal soul'.. (in my opinion that is).

It's my own personal belief, the more one holds to the hell myth, perhaps (in some cases) the more intolerant, judging, or confrontational seeming they may be. I think of this as the 'hell cult'. Babes taught, trapped in what I also think of as a sort of peer pressure, that keeps these false doctrines adhered to, even strongly held and defended, rather staunchly at times..

We here at the tent, believe such verses as "God is the savior of all" 1 Tim 4:10  and "aLL the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord and all families of the nations will rejoice" Ps 22:27, but these ideas are very new to some in the body of believers and the churches.

There are many more verses like this, such as on this list - http://tentmaker.org/forum/rules-and-faq/77-ultimate-reconciliation-and-renewal-scriptures/msg118063/#msg118063

But it's hard to break out of what one has been always taught. I found God in the mountains, not a church, and have been a sort of hermit off and on, and a spiritual hermit (except for the world-wide web!) not taught 'hell' or the idea of the partial and limited success of God's great plan of salvation, tho I did absorb for a short time the idea God would lose some. {{Salvation from death and its cause imperfection/sin/"missing the mark".. Thinking ability includes choice, and its being let to run its course so all can learn good from evil/life from death/true from untrue. God is life and perfection.. so imperfect is the opposite of life, but I don't think we'd like to be robots or anything.. so here we are, dealing with mankind's imperfect nature.. Alas, even in the church(es) of God's own.

But surely(?) He is perfect, and al-mighty, and perfectly able. And perfect makes no mistakes, loses nothing.. and the 'end' result of all this (choice running its course and human history) surely, can only be the best 'end' result possible.. And then all will truly be one family.. in an un-breakable paradise.. all having learned and traveled this unavoidable journey and lesson. (Unavoidable if there's to be thinking ability that is.) Just my :2c: !
God bless! And  :welcome: to tentmaker's forum!

[Shev]

Welcome Si!  :dsunny:

[CST]

Sadly, what Ross wrote is true.. many will not progress a great deal until the next age.. Now we have all that "human nature" to deal with! Which since the beginning has been full of division (to say the least).

Also however, within the body of believers there is different interpretations of what the book/bible says and what the faith is! For some, we may disagree and point out errors of one another branches, but there is still brotherly affection.. now that's how it should be, of course.. but that old less than perfect human nature often gets in the way.

Many of us around here, for example, love the KJ.. the King's Englishe.. but we recognize some (very few) problems with a (very few) mistranlations of some key words. ..Added to these words are human myth and legend.. So it's a bit of a twisty tale! To be able to set it right and glean what was originally inspired to be written by God.

It doesn't mean we dislike those who adhere to the KJ.. But! Even the KJ is starting to back pedal from the idea of an eternal 'hell'.. The original greek translated eternal isn't eternal at all, but is age long, or ages.. even age to age.. but "forever" really is not there..

And hell, they are realizing (slowly it seems) should be the grave like in the old testament before sheol ("where there is no thought nor doing") became yet another myth of a shadowy 'afterlife' - In the bible it's resurrection, not 'immortal soul'.. (in my opinion that is).

It's my own personal belief, the more one holds to the hell myth, perhaps (in some cases) the more intolerant, judging, or confrontational seeming they may be. I think of this as the 'hell cult'. Babes taught, trapped in what I also think of as a sort of peer pressure, that keeps these false doctrines adhered to, even strongly held and defended, rather staunchly at times..

We here at the tent, believe such verses as "God is the savior of all" 1 Tim 4:10  and "aLL the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord and all families of the nations will rejoice" Ps 22:27, but these ideas are very new to some in the body of believers and the churches.

There are many more verses like this, such as on this list - http://tentmaker.org/forum/rules-and-faq/77-ultimate-reconciliation-and-renewal-scriptures/msg118063/#msg118063

But it's hard to break out of what one has been always taught. I found God in the mountains, not a church, and have been a sort of hermit off and on, and a spiritual hermit (except for the world-wide web!) not taught 'hell' or the idea of the partial and limited success of God's great plan of salvation, tho I did absorb for a short time the idea God would lose some. {{Salvation from death and its cause imperfection/sin/"missing the mark".. Thinking ability includes choice, and its being let to run its course so all can learn good from evil/life from death/true from untrue. God is life and perfection.. so imperfect is the opposite of life, but I don't think we'd like to be robots or anything.. so here we are, dealing with mankind's imperfect nature.. Alas, even in the church(es) of God's own.

But surely(?) He is perfect, and al-mighty, and perfectly able. And perfect makes no mistakes, loses nothing.. and the 'end' result of all this (choice running its course and human history) surely, can only be the best 'end' result possible.. And then all will truly be one family.. in an un-breakable paradise.. all having learned and traveled this unavoidable journey and lesson. (Unavoidable if there's to be thinking ability that is.) Just my :2c: !
God bless! And  :welcome: to tentmaker's forum!

Hades does not mean 'grave' the Greek New Testament has a word for 'grave' which it uses from time to time, '"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice "and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (John 5:28-29)

The word here is 'menemion' it means 'grave', 'tomb' or 'sepulchre' the writers of the New Testament new what the word Hades meant to their Greek readers they could hardly just co-opt it and suddenly stick a new meaning on it of their own. At least I can't see how the could, how could they expect them to understand the nw meaning above and over the original meaning? It's not like the text stops to explain it.

[dougj7]

Hi Si,

If you are confused about religion, this should help you understand:

How Religion Has Warped Our Thinking - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfGc4eZw6S8

[Dandelion]

My take, Si.

You can have all the titles and University degrees.....you might be brilliant and articulate and well-educated.....

But, unless you walk in the Spirit, everyday, and stay focused on your walk with the Lord, then, all the Religion in the world, will not help you to love or understand others.

1 Corinthians 13:
1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have absolute faith so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and exult in the surrender of my body,but have not love, I gain nothing.


My  :2c:              :gsigh:

D.

[marie glen]

Hades does not mean 'grave' the Greek New Testament has a word for 'grave' which it uses from time to time, '"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice "and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (John 5:28-29)

The word here is 'menemion' it means 'grave', 'tomb' or 'sepulchre' the writers of the New Testament new what the word Hades meant to their Greek readers they could hardly just co-opt it and suddenly stick a new meaning on it of their own. At least I can't see how the could, how could they expect them to understand the nw meaning above and over the original meaning? It's not like the text stops to explain it.

You're right.. about the word for tomb.. monument, etc. Hades, I read somewhere originally meant to die, be unseen.. and later became legend.. :dontknow: perhaps it always was legend..

But I think of Hades - "the place of the dead" as still the grave. And what Jesus saves from and has overcome.. that and its cause imperfection/sin/"missing the mark". If the wages of sin was a gloomy afterlife, I wonder how our Lord would have paid for that? :dontknow: And if those who are dead are in a state of another sort of life.. does judgment indeed occur at each person's death and then sentence passed? :Chinscratch: Whereas 1 Thessalonians a very early letter, made mention of "those who are asleep" and "asleep in Christ" so perhaps there had been and was some tutoring on the differences in the two views concerning death.. "immortal soul" vs "asleep in Jesus"..

Thanks for the clarification on "hades".. :gsmile:

[Seth]

Yes, Marie, I agree. Hades is connected to the Hebrew Sheol the more conceptual version of the literal grave. I believe the two can be interchangeable.

[CST]

Yeah, but it's very conceptual, and the Hebrew has apparently got at least two words for 'grave' and neither of them are 'sheol'.

[chester-blowfold]

When googled it comes up with 'sheol'.

[Seth]

Sheol could be understood as a collective grave or unified place of the dead for all mankind where everyone went after death, regardless of good or evil, rather than a literal individual grave for a single person. It's a conceptual notion that goes beyond that of a single grave. It speaks to, what was thought to be, the final state of death for all.

[marie glen]

Sheol could be understood as a collective grave or unified place of the dead for all mankind where everyone went after death, regardless of good or evil, rather than a literal individual grave for a single person. It's a conceptual notion that goes beyond that of a single grave. It speaks to, what was thought to be, the final state of death for all.

:Chinscratch: I can see how that could be.. A broader meaning than the individual "grave".


It is a confusing issue, we can see, when we read the verse - Ecclesiastes 9:10 for example which says this -

"Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going." - the New King James

"All that thy hand finds to do, with thy power do, for there is no work, and device, and knowledge, and wisdom in Sheol whither thou art going." - Young's Literal [word H7585 - "sheol"]


But here's what the concordances say -

שׁאל שׁאול
she 'ôl she 'ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates
KJV Usage: grave, hell, pit.


Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions

שׁאל שׁאול

   1. sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
       a. the underworld
       b. Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
           1. place of no return
           2. without praise of God
           3. wicked sent there for punishment
           4. righteous not abandoned to it
           5. of the place of exile (fig)
           6. of extreme degradation in sin
Origin: from H7592 - "shâ'al shâ'êl - ask for, demand"


And the word is #H7585 - "sheol" - which the inspired Word of God says - "there is no work, and device, and knowledge, and wisdom in Sheol whither thou art going."

Then there's the NIV - "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom."

And the Amplified - "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead) where you are going."

So perhaps the confusion is because of man's myths of death being another form of life and living..? Because if it is a collective place, it seems to me there is no thought, doing, planning, etc there..  But this assumes a sort of consciousness :dontknow: which i tend to think is man's idea, still the idea of inherent immortality - a part of man which carries on after death - rather than "putting on immortality" at the end of the age..

And of course there are verses like "all will meet in sheol" or "all go to sheol" - so that leaves out the translation of 'hell' or so I would think logical.. Even if a concordance says it is a "place of no return"! Yet God's word says all go there, including the 'righteous'/elect.

And there's Jacob who said "I will go down to sheol grieving" which reminds me of the more modern "go to my grave lamenting.."


And here's an interesting thing in Isaiah 14 which I'm sure all have read - said about the King of Babylon -

13,14 - thou saidst in thy heart: the heavens I go up, Above stars of God I raise my throne.. I am like to the Most High.
15 Only -- unto Sheol thou art brought down, Unto the sides of the pit.
11 - Under thee spread out hath been the worm, Yea, and covering thee is the worm. - which sounds like the grave to me, not, as assumed(?) by mankind, an afterlife.. First spoken of by the serpent -
             "Ye shall not surely die!" - Genesis 3:4       ...but what did Yahweh say?

Genesis 3:19 -
"By the sweat of your brow
    you will eat your bread
until you return to the ground,
    since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
    and to dust you will return."

[Seth]

I think some of that confusion occurs when folks take a conceptual idea and take it for literal, even to the point of contradicting the scriptures you quoted. There is a bit of that famous Jewish sense of humor to the concept of sheol. It's like a society, only in a state of unconsciousness, so much unlike the society of the living where there is knowledge and work and so on.

I think sheol is a comparison in order to contrast. Its compared to a world, like an underworld, so that we can relate to its collective nature, but then it's populated with the dead, who are unlike the living in almost every respect. Sheol concept is like a reminder that we are all in it together.

[eaglesway]

 :thumbsup:

[CST]

Sheol could be understood as a collective grave or unified place of the dead for all mankind where everyone went after death, regardless of good or evil, rather than a literal individual grave for a single person. It's a conceptual notion that goes beyond that of a single grave. It speaks to, what was thought to be, the final state of death for all.

:Chinscratch: I can see how that could be.. A broader meaning than the individual "grave".


It is a confusing issue, we can see, when we read the verse - Ecclesiastes 9:10 for example which says this -

"Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going." - the New King James

"All that thy hand finds to do, with thy power do, for there is no work, and device, and knowledge, and wisdom in Sheol whither thou art going." - Young's Literal [word H7585 - "sheol"]


But here's what the concordances say -

שׁאל שׁאול
she 'ôl she 'ôl
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates
KJV Usage: grave, hell, pit.


Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions

שׁאל שׁאול

   1. sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
       a. the underworld
       b. Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
           1. place of no return
           2. without praise of God
           3. wicked sent there for punishment
           4. righteous not abandoned to it
           5. of the place of exile (fig)
           6. of extreme degradation in sin
Origin: from H7592 - "shâ'al shâ'êl - ask for, demand"


And the word is #H7585 - "sheol" - which the inspired Word of God says - "there is no work, and device, and knowledge, and wisdom in Sheol whither thou art going."

Then there's the NIV - "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom."

And the Amplified - "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead) where you are going."

So perhaps the confusion is because of man's myths of death being another form of life and living..? Because if it is a collective place, it seems to me there is no thought, doing, planning, etc there..  But this assumes a sort of consciousness :dontknow: which i tend to think is man's idea, still the idea of inherent immortality - a part of man which carries on after death - rather than "putting on immortality" at the end of the age..

And of course there are verses like "all will meet in sheol" or "all go to sheol" - so that leaves out the translation of 'hell' or so I would think logical.. Even if a concordance says it is a "place of no return"! Yet God's word says all go there, including the 'righteous'/elect.

And there's Jacob who said "I will go down to sheol grieving" which reminds me of the more modern "go to my grave lamenting.."


And here's an interesting thing in Isaiah 14 which I'm sure all have read - said about the King of Babylon -

13,14 - thou saidst in thy heart: the heavens I go up, Above stars of God I raise my throne.. I am like to the Most High.
15 Only -- unto Sheol thou art brought down, Unto the sides of the pit.
11 - Under thee spread out hath been the worm, Yea, and covering thee is the worm. - which sounds like the grave to me, not, as assumed(?) by mankind, an afterlife.. First spoken of by the serpent -
             "Ye shall not surely die!" - Genesis 3:4       ...but what did Yahweh say?

Genesis 3:19 -
"By the sweat of your brow
    you will eat your bread
until you return to the ground,
    since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
    and to dust you will return."

The confusion is that everyone just quotes the Old Testament on this because it appears to be the only source we've got and then pretends they no what it means. Ignoring how vague and unclear a description it is for such a vague and unclear place.

[eaglesway]

Sadly, what Ross wrote is true.. many will not progress a great deal until the next age.. Now we have all that "human nature" to deal with! Which since the beginning has been full of division (to say the least).

Also however, within the body of believers there is different interpretations of what the book/bible says and what the faith is! For some, we may disagree and point out errors of one another branches, but there is still brotherly affection.. now that's how it should be, of course.. but that old less than perfect human nature often gets in the way.

Many of us around here, for example, love the KJ.. the King's Englishe.. but we recognize some (very few) problems with a (very few) mistranlations of some key words. ..Added to these words are human myth and legend.. So it's a bit of a twisty tale! To be able to set it right and glean what was originally inspired to be written by God.

It doesn't mean we dislike those who adhere to the KJ.. But! Even the KJ is starting to back pedal from the idea of an eternal 'hell'.. The original greek translated eternal isn't eternal at all, but is age long, or ages.. even age to age.. but "forever" really is not there..

And hell, they are realizing (slowly it seems) should be the grave like in the old testament before sheol ("where there is no thought nor doing") became yet another myth of a shadowy 'afterlife' - In the bible it's resurrection, not 'immortal soul'.. (in my opinion that is).

It's my own personal belief, the more one holds to the hell myth, perhaps (in some cases) the more intolerant, judging, or confrontational seeming they may be. I think of this as the 'hell cult'. Babes taught, trapped in what I also think of as a sort of peer pressure, that keeps these false doctrines adhered to, even strongly held and defended, rather staunchly at times..

We here at the tent, believe such verses as "God is the savior of all" 1 Tim 4:10  and "aLL the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord and all families of the nations will rejoice" Ps 22:27, but these ideas are very new to some in the body of believers and the churches.

There are many more verses like this, such as on this list - http://tentmaker.org/forum/rules-and-faq/77-ultimate-reconciliation-and-renewal-scriptures/msg118063/#msg118063

But it's hard to break out of what one has been always taught. I found God in the mountains, not a church, and have been a sort of hermit off and on, and a spiritual hermit (except for the world-wide web!) not taught 'hell' or the idea of the partial and limited success of God's great plan of salvation, tho I did absorb for a short time the idea God would lose some. {{Salvation from death and its cause imperfection/sin/"missing the mark".. Thinking ability includes choice, and its being let to run its course so all can learn good from evil/life from death/true from untrue. God is life and perfection.. so imperfect is the opposite of life, but I don't think we'd like to be robots or anything.. so here we are, dealing with mankind's imperfect nature.. Alas, even in the church(es) of God's own.

But surely(?) He is perfect, and al-mighty, and perfectly able. And perfect makes no mistakes, loses nothing.. and the 'end' result of all this (choice running its course and human history) surely, can only be the best 'end' result possible.. And then all will truly be one family.. in an un-breakable paradise.. all having learned and traveled this unavoidable journey and lesson. (Unavoidable if there's to be thinking ability that is.) Just my :2c: !
God bless! And  :welcome: to tentmaker's forum!

Hades does not mean 'grave' the Greek New Testament has a word for 'grave' which it uses from time to time, '"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice "and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (John 5:28-29)

The word here is 'menemion' it means 'grave', 'tomb' or 'sepulchre' the writers of the New Testament new what the word Hades meant to their Greek readers they could hardly just co-opt it and suddenly stick a new meaning on it of their own. At least I can't see how the could, how could they expect them to understand the nw meaning above and over the original meaning? It's not like the text stops to explain it.

Hades is the Greek update for sheol. A poor one at that.

she'-ol (she'ol):

Into Sheol, when life is ended, the dead are gathered in their tribes and families. Hence, the expression frequently occurring in the Pentateuch, "to be gathered to one's people," "to go to one's fathers," etc. (Genesis 15:15; Genesis 25:8, 17; 49:33 Numbers 20:24, 28; Numbers 31:2 Deuteronomy 32:50; Deuteronomy 34:5). It is figured as an under-world (Isaiah 44:23 Ezekiel 26:20, etc.), and is described by other terms, as "the pit" (Job 33:24 Psalm 28:1; Psalm 30:3 Proverbs 1:12 Isaiah 38:18, etc.), ABADDON (which see) or Destruction (Job 26:6; Job 28:22 Proverbs 15:11), the place of "silence" (Psalm 94:17; Psalm 115:17), "the land of darkness and the shadow of death" (Job 10:21 f). It is, as the antithesis of the living condition, the synonym for everything that is gloomy, inert, insubstantial (the abode of Rephaim, "shades," Job 26:5 Proverbs 2:18; Proverbs 21:16 Isaiah 14:9; Isaiah 26:14). It is a "land of forgetfulness," where God's "wonders" are unknown (Psalm 88:10-12). There is no remembrance or praise of God (Psalm 6:5; Psalm 88:12; Psalm 115:17, etc.). In its darkness, stillness, powerlessness, lack of knowledge and inactivity, it is a true abode of death (see DEATH); hence, is regarded by the living with shrinking, horror and dismay (Psalm 39:13 Isaiah 38:17-19), though to the weary and troubled it may present the aspect of a welcome rest or sleep (Job 3:17-22; Job 14:12 f). The Greek idea of Hades was not dissimilar.


But actually the idea of Hades is very disimilar. The residents of Hades were conscious. There were beasts waiting at the door to torment and terrify them. There were fields of punishments and judgments and a river of fire that led to Tartarus, the deepest pit for those who had offended the gods. Nothing like sheol, which was the stae of the dead, and means "unseen" and was correlated wwith the state of the dead, and hence became the grave, which is an improper translation, but a correct transliteration from the Jewish thought. it would have been better is the Greeks, Latin and the old English, like some translations did with gehenna.

[CST]

It's also the name of the 'god' that rules there though, isn't it? Personifying Hades in Revelation really doesn't help matters on that score. Obviously I disagree with you on the state of the dead I suspect, not perhaps by much but I do.

In the Old Testament the term is 'gathered to his people' the word 'his' probably isn't ion the Hebrew text but it's a term that appears exclusively in Genesis and exclusively of the patriarchs. No woman is ever described with that phrase when she dies.

[marie glen]

About the word "confused".. I've long thought Truth is "simple" (uncomplicated in essence) but man makes it to be confusing..! :laughing7:
:girlheart: :Peace2:

[CST]

 :laughing7:

I think that's both true and not true. I'll hopefully touch on why elsewhere later.