Hello everyone

[scott]

My liberal views on salvation for the dead come first and foremost from personal revelations from Christ Himself.

When I was a 9 year old boy and loving the Lord, I saw Jesus in all white, dressed as a shepherd on the wing of an airplane while it was still boarding. I erroneously thought someone was playing a trick on me to make me become highly religious. Then I became agnostic and got lost for 35 years. I began hearing, seeing, wrestling with the unseen and witnessing powers of the invisible spirit world. Evil spirits had come into my life as a consequence of my sin.

I nearly died at the hands of these spirits - both human and demon alike. I've noticed the humans lose their family and friends. They are scattered throughout the netherworld. They have anger and hatred in their hearts. They are masters at the art of deception. Their evil shall not stop without divine intervention and restoration of the soul. They thirst for all that only a most loving Creator can give them. I've discovered that it is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. The soul is in ruins and in need of salvation.

Father God reached out to me and I heard Him say, "the battle against good and evil has been here since the beginning of time." God battles evil by salvaging souls through His Son, Jesus Christ. The Father's voice sounds of greatness not of this world. The room was filled with an ancient scent from a world long ago. God had done this to let me know that He was there in the beginning of man's time.

I suffered at the hands of these evil spirits for 7 years until I learned that they were real and hence Jesus as well. This is how Jesus had found me to begin my undeserving vocation to be an adopted child of God. He left the flock to find that one lost sheep when I saw Him on the wing of that airplane 35 years earlier.

I prayed to Jesus that He would not leave me here to be evil like these spirits. He put my deceased mother behind me. And the most loving scent of her holding me in her bosom as a small child came over me. Jesus had done this to let me know it was her. He was letting me know that I would be with my mom and that He would deliver me from this evil condition known as hell.

I asked Jesus who these spirits were persecuting me. He told me through the Spirit of truth that they were the dead. I could see that they were lost and inquired about them going to heaven. Jesus had sent down the Holy Spirit stopping in front of me and pointing at me. He was telling me that I would make atonement for them. And that He would forgive them of their sins, salvage their souls and deliver them into heaven. Jesus is mighty to save.

Later, I had a dream were Jesus had removed the anger and hatred from these poor souls hearts. I believe He was informing me that the work for atonement had been done. Then, with His powers going through me, He changed them back because the work could not be accepted until the door to my hearing and seeing them was closed. I am currently working on this.

Also, an angel made himself known to me. I've had many dreams and visions, some arranged by God and by the powers of the higher angels, guiding me away from sin, in truth, toward salvation. I thank God for my sufferings and wisdom gained. I am looking forward to being with God in heaven, seeing these spirits restored, and seeing my mom again.

Thank you all for reading a true story of my life. God bless.

[jabcat]

Thank you for your sharing and the attitude in which it's done.  A lot of interesting things.  Such personal experiences and perceptions are difficult to assess by others.  The only ways I know to do it is to measure it against the scriptures (much of which we don't fully understand, only scratch the surface on some things) and by the Spirit as inner witness.  I'll leave most of that to you and others.  The one thing that stands out to me the most is though, that you would be the atonement for others' sins and salvation?  For what little I understand of the scriptures, that doesn't sound right to me.  I fully believe Jesus and Jesus alone is the atonement, otherwise His sacrifice would have been lacking.  And I don't believe it is.  On the other hand, if it's something besides atonement, such as being used to teach, reveal Christ to others etc. (evangelize) I get it.  But atonement, not so much.  Anyway, blessings to you Scott.

(anyone else have any thoughts on this or other things in Scott's generous and interesting post?)

[Dandelion]

◄ Romans 5 ►
New International Version
Peace and Hope

1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, wea have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And web boast in the hope of the glory of God. 3Not only so, but wec also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! 10For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

13To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

20The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


I think this says it all. One man brought justification, the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

[marie glen]

It's such a wonderful thing when the Lord stills the storms around us.. The clouds clear away.. The light shines through.. Oh happy day! :cloud9:

I love how the Lord meets us where we're at! And as we recognize that it's Him - the light which lightens all, which is what we need, and is all we have ever yearned and sought after; and as we follow Him, as (also) the Logos, the Word, we find he's doing a work in our heart, mind and psyche, he weeds out all or any error, setting us free from clouds or fears..

And knowing Christian Universalism / Universal Reconciliation ( :cloud9: ) is also like a solid anchor for the heart and soul to grab a hold of and let it lead us to solid ground... seeing UR and other truth become plain and apparent in His Word..

And especially as we keep consciously and sincerely yielding to Him.. (doubly so when under any sort of pressure, stress, etc?)

Always and ever He keeps leading.. what an awesome thing! And awesome to hear other's stories as we are all in this process of following after Him.. :thumbsup:

[scott]

Azazel, in the following verse, is a fallen angel who received atonement for his sins.

E.S.V. Leviticus 16:6-10. Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. Then he shall take the two goats and set them before the Lord at the entrance of the tent of meeting. And Aaron shall cast lots over the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Azazel. And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord and use it as a sin offering, but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel.

[sheila]

 :2c: disagree...Azazel was the scapegoat..that into everlasting cutting off[perished in the wilderness/never to enter the Holycity]Jesus

was the Lord's goat offered upon His altar in the Holycity.goat-shaped demons in the wilderness..that wicked generationthat

perishes in the wilderness..andneversenterthe realpromisedland/heaven.

[sheila]

 :2c:in the final'act'of atonement..the HIGH PRIEST CONFESSED ALL THE PEOPLES SINSON THE HEADOF THE GOAT

ascribe...all sin unto Azazael...and everyone's blood to Babylon.

[GodIsLove]

Scott,

We all seem to come to universal salvation with remnants of our previous religious belief intact...and with that in mind this is a Protestant-leaning group.

I retain some Catholic beliefs but know when they would be met with resistance so I choose not to debate them here.

For a good Catholic universal salvation resource, look up Richard Rohr, a Franciscan.

[sheila]

 :2c:Hey....TheLord's  lot/goat fell on Jesus[all men redeemed]after bearing all men's sins on the cross..the HIGH PRIEST..ofthegoatthen

confesses all the sins on the head[Isaaih9;16 those who guide these people mislead them/like sheep without a shepherd[Judas goats-

teach doctrines of demons-liar from the beginning]Ezekiel34;6-19....I Myself will search for my sheep..I will search for the lost

and bring back the strays.They will live in safety and

no one will make  them afraid.He feeds us with forgiveness..mercy..and free waters of life[love]..He does not feed us

with constant accusing and condemnation...He forgets/forgives our sins[atonement]..does not put them back  on our back.

However;He does ascribe to Azazel all sin[Enoch..book of thewatchers]..the son of perdition/man of lawlessness....

false prophet/false shepherds/carnal[beast]understanding..all liars thieves accusors,decievers go into cutting off from His people...

ThusHecausesHispeopletoliedowningreenpastures,stillwaters,peacefulabidingplaces..asthe Shepherd who loves them

and give His life for them.  He delivers His people from those that prey on them..and  use them..and condemn/mistreat them.


So,to make atonement[at-one-ment[mind]for man..He must cut off the liars/deceivers/robbers/thiefs/misleaders/false prophets

falsechrists/accusors of the brethren/beastly carnal thoughts/doctrines of demons. THEN He can tell you truth,all your sins

forgiven,that He loves you,will keep.you.and it is Father's good pleasure to give you freely eternal  life and the kingdom.To lead

you in the paths of righteousness and LOVE. For unless He cuts off such things from you..you will never know Him in truth[LOVE]

For how can you be reconciled without forgiveness.[with constant faultfinding/accusing].and without knowing of His love and for-

giveness for you..How can you be ONE with Him in mind/heart/body otherwise?


as in the days of LOT........Man is The Lord's lot...and will be separated[sheep/goats...wheat/tares] before the LOF. :2c:

[scott]

I agree with you sheila. I did some more study and found myself in error. Thank you for your time and effort. God bless.

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  Scott..many coming out of  the overcome churches..are still in darkness to varying degrees.But her faithis still

beautiful to HIM.He instructs her to shepherd her young'goats'[our pet goat doctrines]alongside the shepherds where He rests

His flock in HIGHEST LIGHT.Part of what makes us dark as the tents of kedar..is thegoat hair covering!of the shepherds we tented

under.OUR understanding being darkened. HE  LOVES HIS PEOPLE INTENSELY..and thier salvation does not depend on how much they

understand on this side..but..it seems to me that LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING is so desirable.I think we can love Him and each

other better when we understand. May all of us here be led into all truth...and know the depth and width and height of HIS LOVE :2c:

[jabcat]

:thumbsup:  Scott..many coming out of  the overcome churches..are still in darkness to varying degrees.But her faithis still

beautiful to HIM.He instructs her to shepherd her young'goats'[our pet goat doctrines]alongside the shepherds where He rests

His flock in HIGHEST LIGHT.Part of what makes us dark as the tents of kedar..is thegoat hair covering!of the shepherds we tented

under.OUR understanding being darkened. HE  LOVES HIS PEOPLE INTENSELY..and thier salvation does not depend on how much they

understand on this side..but..it seems to me that LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING is so desirable.I think we can love Him and each

other better when we understand. May all of us here be led into all truth...and know the depth and width and height of HIS LOVE :2c:

:thumbsup:   :thumbsup:

[Dandelion]

Yes, beautiful, Sheila. I agree. UR makes us love more, because we see God's intense love of us all. There is no heirachy of love. Once that begins, it can lead down the slippery slope of loving someone for what they do or don't do, rather than loving them because they are a child of God, created by God to love and be loved. It steals from the pure, unconditional love which is how God loves.

Love never fails 1Corinthians13:8

Certainly God's love never fails. If He made us, then we must all be capable of loving God, and being loved by Him. He cannot fail us. We are all made in His image and likeness.

D.

[rosered]

  Greetings Scott !!   
I too believe in hell,    as this is the place !! 

its the watery grave ....  as the WORD is like two waters ......  Like in the beginning ...


  the above and below .............when we hear   HIS VOICE ,as a voice of many waters  from above ,   we will LIVE
  or be taken and swept away by the flood of lies     that is still earthly sensual and very devilish  in nature  ....

love the brethren or accuser of  the brethren     we are judged as we judge       the light, Life  [fulness]  and the darkness [void] grave



We get to experience both   life and death in the here and now....

   God bless and keep us in the love of GOD never to stray  again ........  Rose

[jugghead]

Welcome back after your long departure.