Hi, I am a G-ds provision type person, not a DEATH penalty person

[wilmont]

Its been along time since I posted anything here or anywhere, I got very disgusted.

I believe saved is a way of life (not about getting to heaven).

I believe physical death was not a penalty but a means to be ultimately close to G-d in Spirit, by death of our animal souls (flesh blood bodies man and animals are alike in this respect).
I call this G-ds provision for his creation....His grace and mercy.
In this, Pauls commentary in Rom. 6 confirms that only physically dead people are really freed from the affects of sin, and we are to be "resurrected" now (in this evil age, no such thing as church age) until our "day of perfection" (when we physically die).
We can enter into Gehenna (as Yeshua taught), by wilful defiant sin (1 Cor. 5, Jude 22-23), in this present evil age,  for which (intentional sin) there never was or still isn't a abstract type (either in animals or Messiah)of dying to our animal souls, and guilt free.

Animal sacrifice was an abstract TYPE or IMAGE, for man, not for G-d (G-d has no need).
Man needed to START OVER, as if he never had any guilt.  Man needed to see his GUILT KILLED OFF (to be as if in spirit) or see his GUILT/SIN LEAVING CAMP.
There never really was magic flesh or blood, and still isn't (pagan idea).
Life (knowing G-d), is really in the spirit, not in the animal soul (flesh blood of Lev. 17).

G-d had always forgiven man, this was His provision(Ex. 34:7), but it is our guilt which we pass on to generations through word and deed, and still do.
This is the reason why the "church" keeps postponing the Kingdom.  They lost the keys, and became a false form of Judaism (priesthood,magic blood flesh sacrifice etc.).  Many upon many Christians and Jews still think they have to physically die to be close to G-d in spirit.  They trudge through the stagnant pond (lake of fire) of physcial life in the evil age, still waiting for Messiah to come or come again, when the Spirit of Messiah HAS ALWAYS BEEN, and seen and known by faithful remnant, in his witness.

Yeshua taught the Way of Torah for life (knowing G-d through the law), and many other saving knowledge teachings.
In other words.....is it acceptable to G-d for a person to work on Sabbath to feed starving people on Sabbath?

How a person understands this, determines their PRESUMPTION of guilt concerning this law...thus what is not of faith is sin.
Less guilt = more fellowship and assurance.

So as you can see, the standard Calvin / Anselm understanding of sacrifice as a means to pay off a penalty to G-d (more pagan type god appeasement), to me is against what the Holy Word means, since Lev. 17 is not about sacrificing a man (animal), and Holy Word tells us that no man will be put to death for another mans sin, and each man dies for his own sin.
Purpose of sacrifice was to DIE TO OURSELVES (kill off our animal hides).
We did and still do this through GUILT TRANSFER (see our own sin in others before ourselves).
Yeshua said TRANSFER THAT TO ME.

[SeekerSA]

Hi Wilmont

:welcome: back

Blessings

[julzabro2]

Nice to meet you, wilmont! And I agree with your sentiments!  :thumbsup:

[Casstranquility]

Hi, Wilmont! I don't believe in a blood sacrifice penalty, either. I also believe that God has always forgiven man.  :thumbsup:

[Taffy]

Hi Wilmot :bigGrin:
and WELCOME

Blessings Taffy