Why have you forsaken me?

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micah7:9

Mar 15:34  and at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a great voice, saying, `Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabachthani?' which is, being interpreted, `My God, my God, why didst Thou forsake me?'
Mat 27:46  and about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a great voice, saying, `Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, `My God, my God, why didst Thou forsake me?'

Was Jesus forsaken? And if so how?
And if not, why did He say, "why has thou forsaken me?" :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

Jo. 8: 29 And He Who sends Me is with Me. He does not leave Me alone, for what is pleasing to Him am I doing always."(CLT)

I have been given to believe, He was never forsaken, ever.

Captain.Theophilus

  I'm no greek scholar, but it seems that the situation he found himself in was such that one would have expected his father to come and save him, but he received no help from the father.

micah7:9

So other that my Captain friend this is a subject that offers no thoughts. Thanks Cap!

Lloyd

It seems that Jesus was fulfilling prophecy as Messiah by repeating what David, the former Messiah, had said in one of the Psalms.

Psa 21:1 O God, my God, attend to me: why have you forsaken me? the account of my transgressions is far from my salvation.
[Or] My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? [why are you so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

misszoolander

Maybe this was the moment that Gods spirit departed Jesus, as Jesus absorbed man's sin?

:2c:

VineBranch

I think mzo is on to the point.  Sabachthani is a word of Chaldean origin, Christ's words echo back through time to the place of Abraham's birth.  Lama sabachthani more precisely means why have you left me.  Because of the Chaldean origin, He may have been asking why the lineage of Abraham had left Him as well. I think it was at this point that Christ made the ultimate sacrifice;  he was totally human, and so, he died totally alone  ... so that no one else ever needed to again.

micah7:9

Are these verses empty, with no meaning? If the writer of Hebrews says, I will never leave or forsake you(that's me and you) does it even seem reasonable or possible that the Father would leave His Son?
Joh 8:29  and He who sent me is with me; the Father did not leave me alone, because I, the things pleasing to Him, do always.'

Heb 13:5  Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Lloyd, you understood. I thank you and the Lord most assuredly thanks you. :dsunny:

VineBranch

Quote from: micah7:9 on February 28, 2013, 07:24:40 AM
Are these verses empty, with no meaning? If the writer of Hebrews says, I will never leave or forsake you(that's me and you) does it even seem reasonable or possible that the Father would leave His Son?
Joh 8:29  and He who sent me is with me; the Father did not leave me alone, because I, the things pleasing to Him, do always.'

Heb 13:5  Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Lloyd, you understood. I thank you and the Lord most assuredly thanks you. :dsunny:

If Christ were one dimensional perhaps.  I've never been convinced that He was.  The human Christ had to die, was the spiritual Christ alone as well?  Maybe not, I don't think so.  I am often alone physically, so are many I know.  God is with us in Spirit and my spirit takes comfort from that, but my body is still alone.  If Christ was truly human, is it beyond the realm that He HAD to physically die alone, like all men?  Is it beyond the realm of the possible that this frightened Him (the human Christ), just as it would frighten most people?  He was frightened enough to sweat blood just from thinking about it.  This might also show us that He was truly human.

sheila

   just an idea.....in that these scriptures had to be fulfilled..in that Christ had

  to teste death for every man....and that David and his grave and inspired

  holy spirit..thou will not leave me in the grave.