Spiritual Effects on Physical Reality

[Lloyd]

Would anyone like to pursue this Scientific finding with me?
- Over ten years ago a Japanese scientist, Emoto, discovered that water, when frozen, takes different crystaline structures depending apparently on what influences on it predominate. Presumably the electrical and magnetic fields of water molecules produce the structures. Natural water sources tend to produce beautiful molecular structures, when frozen and viewed under a powerful microscope. Polluted water tends to have chaotic, unattractive structure. However, if the polluted water is "treated" with prayer by some spiritually disciplined people, the ice structure becomes beautiful. The crystaline structure seems to take on patterns related to the mental images of people in the surroundings or of those who pray for or treat the water.
- Emoto's book is called Messages from Water and many of the images in his book etc are viewable online.
- See https://www.google.com/search?q=emoto+%22messages+from+water%22 and click on "Images".

P.S., I guess it would have helped to add the following. Emoto's finding seemed to be that the most beautiful structures are produced when prayer includes Love, Thankfulness and Apology for former wrongdoing, but excludes blaming anyone, at least as I understand it. I think it's necessary to judge others, so we know how to associate with them, but apparently it may be self-defeating to blame anyone. I seek clarity on that.
- My impression is that studying the effects our prayers have on freezing water can tell us how much we may need to improve our praying. I think other methods, like muscle testing, might help with that too. But I still seek more clarity on the issue of judging and blaming. I guess there's a difference between the two.

[sheila]

BY MY SPIRIT.....I read that article several years ago.......

    everything that is..or was..or will ever be..is by His spirit[and temporally the works of the negative

  contrast spirit]

  used to be..decades ago...I thought that my body of flesh was what made me alive..... :doh:

    now I know it is the spirit of life in my body..that makes it appear alive.

   I liken it to dirt/dust devils and tornadoes..and the wind...the wind moves and clothese itself with

dust or leaves,or water as waterspouts..and it moves and seems to live and breathe and come into

existence/manifest.   the wind blows and nobody knows from which it come and where it goes...

  and so,too, those born along of the spirit.

[Lazarus Short]

Our physical world is not what we think it is.  Years ago, we though matter was solid and substantial.  Now, science has looked into the atom, to find that it is mostly empty space (vacuum).  Our solar system is also mostly vacuum, as it the galaxy, and the entire universe.  The created universe resembles nothing so much as a foam of galaxies, and the bubbles of the foam are tetrahedral.  The overall shape of the universe, as I found out somewhere the other day, is one of the Platonic solids, based on analysis of the cosmic background radiation.  There is really very little "there" there...

I keep reading over and over that physics is beginning to meet the spiritual realm.  We know from the double-slit experiment, that a beam of electrons can be particles or waves depending on how they are being observed.  The wave function collapses, and you get a particle.

If we take a Biblical view of things, in which "the Spirit moved upon the face of the waters," we can understand all the strange phenomena such as miracles and other mysteries.  Most folks think that the universe is ruled by gravitation, but the Electric Universe model is fast gaining traction - for instance, it sees the Sun as an electrical discharge phenomenon, with no nuclear furnaces involved.

Going further, what if electric forces really are stronger than gravitational forces, and what if spiritual forces are stronger yet?  It seems that few people believe in the Invisible World anymore, but it used to by Christian orthodoxy.  Many things in the Bible indicate that a "Universe Next Door" is accessible thru God by prayer.  Given the proven unsubstantial nature of matter, I think we as Christians, must give the nod to the super-natural over the merely natural.

[eaglesway]

Get's a nod from me :o)

[Lloyd]

I appreciate the comments, but I was thinking of trying to use Emoto's findings as a means to improve our spiritual discipline and "power". So I was wondering what anyone might think about that.

It seems that the Bible warns us about the dangers of the "Beast", which I take to mean power abuse at all levels of society. But, on the other hand, Jesus emphasized the need for Love for all. And then, if Emoto's findings are correct, then that means our best attitude is Thankfulness to God, Apology to God for wrong-doing and bad habits, and Love for all, with no Blame for anyone.

So, when I got the idea to follow the prophets' example of warning people of the coming doom of the Beast, I was reminded of Emoto and then I supposed that I may need to take his findings into account in deciding how to warn people about the danger of being part of the Beast's system.

By the way, it sounds like you read some of the same things I do. I write quite a bit on the Thunderbolts forum. My favorite solar model is by Charles Chandler, which is most recently discussed at http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7315.

Good Day.

[sheila]

 I RECEIVED SOMETHING IN THE SPIRIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT ABOUT 4 WEEKS AGO...

   THIS IS WHAT I HEARD.....THEY USE THE  SUN[SON] THAT IS HOW THEY

GET HERE SO FAST.????????????????????


   I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA

  ELECTRONS AND NEUTRONS..POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE   WAVES AND PARTICLES..CELESTIAL

AND TERRESTIAL.

   IT WILL HAVE TO BE ON A VERY VERY SIMPLE LEVEL FOR ME TO 'GRASP' IT MENTALLY

[eaglesway]

IN MANY separate revelations [[a] each of which set forth a portion of the Truth] and in different ways God spoke of old to [our] forefathers in and by the prophets,
[But] in the last of these days He has spoken to us in [the person of a] Son, Whom He appointed Heir and lawful Owner of all things, also by and through Whom He created the worlds and the reaches of space and the ages of time [He made, produced, built, operated, and arranged them in order].
He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [God's] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power. When He had by offering Himself accomplished our cleansing of sins and riddance of guilt, He sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high,
(Heb 1:1-3, Amplified)

For the Word that God speaks is alive(quickened) and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.
And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed, naked and defenseless to the eyes of Him with Whom we have to do.
(Heb 4:12-13, Amp)

By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible.
(Heb 11:3, Amp)

Wave theory, particle theory, quantum physics, all there in the Word- Why does the proton not fly off of the nucleus of an atom, "all things hold together by the word of His power"- He needs but speak and the physical universe will disintegrate back into chaos.

IN THE beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form and an empty waste, and darkness was upon the face of the very great deep. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light; and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good (suitable, pleasant) and He approved it; and God separated the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

(Gen 1:1-5)

And God SAW THE LIGHT AND APPROVED IT. What does this mean? Did God experience something? Surely He knew before He SPOKE what the light would be IN HIS MIND but the actual creation of it initiated a VISCERAL RESPONSE FROM GOD. Did God create the universe only for us? or for Himself also?

Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who did bless us in every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, according as He did choose us in him before the foundation of the world, for our being holy and unblemished before Him, in love, having foreordained us to the adoption of sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, in which He did make us accepted in the beloved, in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the remission of the trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, in which He did abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the secret of His will, according to His good pleasure, that He purposed in Himself, in regard to the dispensation of the fulness of the times, to bring into one the whole in the Christ, both the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth--in him;
(Eph 1:3-12)


O depth of riches, and wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable His ways! for who did know the mind of the Lord? or who did become His counsellor? or who did first give to Him, and it shall be given back to him again? because of Him, and through Him, and to Him are the all things; to Him is the glory--to the ages. Amen.
(Rom 11:33-36, YLT)