Im a firm UR believer. Nothing can shake my faith...Im just wondering why if there's no literal translation for the word eternal why was it translated eternal in this verse?
Quote from: Caffus on April 22, 2016, 04:43:07 PM
Im a firm UR believer. Nothing can shake my faith...Im just wondering why if there's no literal translation for the word eternal why was it translated eternal in this verse?
It should have been interpreted as "perpetual". That is what my Young's Analytical Concordance renders for the meaning for both occurrences of Greek work in the NT.
Ok...what is the word in Greek?Is it the same word they translate age enduring?
Quote from: Caffus on April 22, 2016, 09:14:15 PM
Ok...what is the word in Greek?Is it the same word they translate age enduring?
The Greek word is "aidios"
The word often translated as 'Age Enduring' is typically the Greek word "aionios".
My interpretation of the difference is this:
aidios - perpetual - meaning something continues with emphasis on no interruption until a specific time (in the context of where it used. Let's take a case in point:
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in
everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
In the verse above the word is traslated as "everlasting". However, this is the same Greek word aidios. So this is perpetual. But notice that it is perpetual darkness UNTIL the day of Judgment. So here the darkness is CONSTANT and without wavering (hence perpetual).
Now aionios on the other hand is in reference to the age in really is referring to something that continues beyond the age boundary (but not necessary constant as it doesn't speak to that and not necessary for the rest of eternity as it doesn't speak to that either.)
So Aionios is really describing something that CONTINUES without regard to the end of its duration (could end - or may not end - it doesn't address it). They way it is often used in the Bible is in describing something that should bring our attention to the next age that comes after the item it is describing - typically the next age when Christ ushers in His Kingdom.
Also in this case the word eternal is describing God so it fits the context.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
(NIV translation but you get the jist of the quote. Was gonna use YLT but sometimes it's just so garbled I can't read it without making my brain hurt, even though I like YLT)
:thumbsup: Thank you...ya..that verse shows there's mistranlastions everlasting means eternal,never ending but it says Until judgement
Ya..I like Youngs for study or checking things but ots difficult to read. They have a modern version now..it sould be easier to read. :gimmefive:
I have no problem with the word eternal. Olam to aion, aion to eternal. Eternal is not the same to me as "everlasting". Eternal is "other worldly", "time transcendent". It is about the nature of the life, not the duration of it. I dont know why the translators sometimes used "everlasting" and sometimes used "eternal", but to me, "eternal" is just fine in the context of Romans 1:20
I like this online version - http://studybible.info/ - the versions, including interlinear is listed which is the interlinear I most use.. want to get a printed version though!
:Peace2: :gsmile:
p.s - anymore we (humans, believers and culture) are so steeped in the "surely you won't die?" concept of inherent immortality, that we think in those terms which includes "forever" - I've never forgotten how years ago when I was looking up "forever" in the Strong's concordance and found it nowhere.. thought there was a mistake made, but of course it was two words, for ever :doh: :laughing7: and of course, it wasn't "forever" at all... Now, of course I get more the sense of Yahweh is life itself.. gave the Son (to have) life in himself, but I don't think of any of us as having eternal life exactly.. but more like "he/she who has the Son has life" and he/she who doesn't, doesn't have life (yet).. And of course now, we are learning that exact lesson, imo, the foundation lesson of "life" or "not life" i.e. good from evil, life from nonlife.. step away from God who is life.. is a very futile thing, the utmost in ridiculousness.. Can't be done, if it could be done it can only ever end in 'crash and burning' as the saying goes (i.e. can only result in a self destructive wisp of 'smoke' and vapor; the unveiling/revealing truth that anything not built on the Rock cannot endure. This reminds me that He can only be Perfect, or HE too would fade (? :faint: as if!) therefore the 'end result of all this (human history and life as we presently know it) can only be the utterly best one possible... (hope I didn't stray to far, or away from the topic) ...God bless all..
P.S - I like the interlinears listed here - http://studybible.info/ - because they have the Strong's numbers as links included with each word so I can look words up and read about them for myself. :smile:
Quote from: marie glen on April 24, 2016, 01:07:49 AM
P.S - I like the interlinears listed here - http://studybible.info/ - because they have the Strong's numbers as links included with each word so I can look words up and read about them for myself. :smile:
Thanks Marie , very good study tool!!! :HeartThrob:
Thank you.... the word eternal in that verse is fine.. I was just wondering why they used it when its supposed to be a literal translation. :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Caffus on April 26, 2016, 06:27:50 AM
Thank you.... the word eternal in that verse is fine.. I was just wondering why they used it when its supposed to be a literal translation. :HeartThrob:
translating aion to forever or everlasting is incorrect.
when going from olam through aion to eternal- the translation can be correct, because eternal involves more than duration, as does olam :2c:
Quote from: GodIsLove on April 23, 2016, 03:47:34 AM
Also in this case the word eternal is describing God so it fits the context.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
(NIV translation but you get the jist of the quote. Was gonna use YLT but sometimes it's just so garbled I can't read it without making my brain hurt, even though I like YLT)
I totally agree :dsunny: Only God is everlasting eternal and without end .. immortality ,,etc. the age of experiencing God is without end :HeartThrob:
I see as others have shared also :dsunny: awesome guys ,,
and age or a set time
as those without any law , being and age [and all things found in it ] can be very short or long in the fact being none of us are in a mortal state for very long at all :eek:
If a 1000 Years is one day to God and we live in a mortal state of 70 years , What can this mean in Gods sight , but a vapour ,breath ?
I believe the stumbling over eternal and everlasting , being an age of [ those under the law ] and judged by the law being put to death [ This generation all the things of the tree of knowledge of good and evil will come upon by JESUS HIMSELF DECLARING IT . Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until
all these things have happened. Now have passed from death to Life by Him [ Way to the Tree of Life ]
I can also see the age of Jesus Christ grace as being and everlasting age without end to be presented to the FATHER .
Him being the resurrection and the LIFE , When He told Martha her brother would rise again because of Him , Lazarus was dead under the law [age duration ] perpetual "aidios" age of judgments and dividing & separating within us putting to death by the law , the Pharisees were calling holy and sadducees no resurrection / no Jesus Christ in power .. just dead , this never sat well with my :2c: always believe there was more to life than a dirt nap for ages and ages and ages :doh:
But By Gods grace and truth was risen from death to everlasting LIFE ,,, in Christ all shall live , He paved the new way by HIS works for us
Jesus said , though he be dead he shall live /under the law and those alive shall never die /In Christ now, can you believe this ?
It just proves to me the carnal mind is an enemy against the SPIRIT /LIFE ITSELF
and being carnally minded is death , as death reigns an age of everlasting duration from Adam to Moses another age of lasting duration of being under Law and being twice dead and by faith , the age of grace and truth in Christ that is an age of duration till every bit of GODS WORD IS fulfilled
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