:cloud9: Can't vouch for the truth of this obviously, but this is astounding if true.....
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/?ref=logo
...and non-members...
Yes, I saw this story several years ago.
The archaeological community just dismissed it.
There's a YouTube video.
I read an article on tentmakers site about this, seems it was a fraud.
But maybe Gary is wrong, for wyatt seems to have found Noa's ark.
Card can you quote that message here?
I think Wyatt is a fraud.
:cloud9: Quote what, WW? :dontknow:
Quote from: Cardinal on July 11, 2010, 11:00:35 PM
:cloud9: Quote what, WW? :dontknow:
Quote from: Cardinal on July 11, 2010, 01:36:42 AM
:cloud9: Can't vouch for the truth of this obviously, but this is astounding if true.....
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/?ref=logo
:cloud9: Apparently not.....I must have copied the wrong link???
A link not high on my gotta-believe list:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ark_of_the_covenant.htm
http://www.revelife.com/726867790/the-ark-of-the-covenant-found-with-jesus-blood/
Wyatt and the Ark of Convenant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIwjYN4JVo&NR=1)
His site (http://arkdiscovery.com/)
:cloud9: One of the reasons I don't believe he found it, is because I think the Jews have it and know exactly where it is.
I mean, that would have been their number one priority to hide and they had/have underground tunnels all through the city going out of it, and under the temple mount.
And if they really thought HE had it, he would probably have already been killed for it. In the 90's when a Jewish scholar translated a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls that pointed clearly to a son of God, they put out a million dollar bounty on him after he announced his findings to the world, and he had to go into hiding.
I have also personally met several Messianic Rabbis from all parts of the world, also in the '90's, who had the same bounty on their heads, for having the Torah scrolls in their Messianic congregations. One of them had his church fire bombed. They are deadly serious about their "stuff". Blessings...
Yeah they would start WW-3 and 4 and 5 to get it.
And yes their first priority would be to get it out. Or hidden.
One of the reasons I don't believe he found it, is because I think the Jews have it and know exactly where it is.
cardinal
Assuming there is blood! This reminds me of the quest of the holy grail, people searching for the grail inside a cup, when the real grail is found in faith in Jesus Sacrifice.
:cloud9: The real grail is the womb/soul of man, the "vessel" the wine/seed of His Spirit is to fill to overflowing, ie. the new wine of the Kingdom is a SEED, to "her" a Son is born.
Blessed is the fruit of thy WOMB. Blessed is every firstborn son that opens up the WOMB. The woman/womb/soul is saved through childbirth. When He comes, His reward is with Him. Check this out....
Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying , Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said , Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
"Exceeding" there runs into a word that means "firebrand". Compare with Deborah's husband Lapidoth, which means firebrand, and also the torches put in the EARTHEN/CLAY pitchers when Jericho was surrounded.
"Great" there means to multiply or increase, and "reward" there means to get by trade, bargain for, or wages, and to give a banquet or a feast (marriage supper>being consumed by union,to produce a son). Immediately after saying this, God speaks to Abram about his SEED. He also changes their names, to reflect this "firebrand", the "Ha" addition is in the divine name, YWHW. Check this out....
Psalms 127:3 KJV
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the WOMB is his REWARD.
We "trade" with God to receive/earn wages. The WAGES of sin is death/darkness. This is why there is much in there about buying and mechandizing, and when it's not for the things of HIS Kingdom, it creates death. Blessings....
Revelation 3:18 KJV
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Im just wondering and I do not ask questions just to ask. Why is it that alot of what is taught or enlightens us, we are to understand in the spirit. Like cirumcision, baptism, communion, born again, the clouds (as ministries) and other things. But when it comes to things like Noe's ark, or the Ark of the convanant these things need me phyisical as proof of some thing that believers say they already believe by faith?
I dont believe the flood was world wide, but I believe in the what the flood means to me as a saint. I dont believe the beginning of Gen. 1:1 was THE beginning, but I do believe it is our given place to begin. I believe the OT is secondly Bible history, but firstly, I believe the the writing on the OT are types and shadows that open doors to the LIGHT so that the saints can SEE to day in the Spirit.
I say this again, for it is what I believe, if they should find Noe's ark or the Ark of the covenant then why the need for faith. (Heb.11:1) Would a relic, such as either of the two arks be found strenghten your faith? Would you become more intense in your faith if they were found? (Joh 20:29) From my faith I see JESUS IS THE ARK, those other two were but shadows of the real thing. I dont believe they will find the shadows.
Peace and Love Through Jesus. Just my :2c: and Im happy with it.
:cloud9: I don't need it to build up my faith, but I think it's great when they find things that support what I already believe. And I like archeological findings.....Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on July 20, 2010, 10:20:28 AM
:cloud9: I don't need it to build up my faith
Maybe not; but perhaps certain findings can make things clear(er). Make 'm fall in place. Learn. And that, in a way, is building faith...
:cloud9: My comment was about them finding the literal Noah's ark.....however learning is always good, and does help with faith, that's true.....
Faith is believing in things UNSEEN and without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on July 20, 2010, 04:06:03 PMFaith is believing in things UNSEEN and without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
David, but isn't you faith based on something? (like a visible Bible) Why you believe in God and not Kermit? Did you one day wake up and said: Let's believe something.
:2c:
Quote from: WhiteWings on July 20, 2010, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on July 20, 2010, 04:06:03 PMFaith is believing in things UNSEEN and without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
David, but isn't you faith based on something? (like a visible Bible) Why you believe in God and not Kermit? Did you one day wake up and said: Let's believe something.
:2c:
Im a David too, and my faith is built on the Rock foundation of Jesus Christ my Saviour. And the reason I believe in God and not Kermit is the Holy Spirit.
I know that the Spirit is of more substance than anything I can hold or see in the natural. FAITH IS believing in the things not seen. Again its only my :2c:
As a youth, my parents raised me into the Roman Catholic religion.
Years later, Christ Himself woke me up from that shallow grave.
Quote from: micah7:9 on July 20, 2010, 04:50:40 PMFAITH IS believing in the things not seen
Because of...seen things (as a starting point)
Also my :2c:
That is not how I read Roman 10:16, 17
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call upon him in whom they did not believe? and how shall they believe on him of whom they did not hear? and how shall they hear apart from one preaching?
Hi everyone I was gone for vacation and am now just catching up on all the great stuff here...
I have seen the site for my self and I'm a beleiver that it is there as well,the funny part is you can't get at it close enough because it is a Palestinian parking lot for old trucks on one side.
Everything is very close proximity and tunnels are everywhere but everything is very restricted and controlled
blessings :icon_king:
Quote from: WhiteWings on July 20, 2010, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on July 20, 2010, 04:06:03 PMFaith is believing in things UNSEEN and without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
David, but isn't you faith based on something? (like a visible Bible) Why you believe in God and not Kermit? Did you one day wake up and said: Let's believe something.
:2c:
I love questions like these . . .it creates an atmosphere for God to "reveal" something to us that is already "in" us. WW, sometimes I sense when you ask things like this, you are purposely being as they say the devil's advocate. I mean this in a great way, not anything derogatory. This theme leads into a bit of a personal revelation of my own when it comes to "establishing" faith.
In the mainline churches I've seen and was brought up in, it is the assumed order for faith to manifest by way of reading the Bible and then building a belief on what you're reading. That's why Christian forums are so popular. Everyone has a doctrine based on what has either been preached to them over the years, or what they've read on their own, and mostly, the combination of the two.
A person will say "This is the right way because this Scripture says "this" about it . . ." and many will read the passage and find that it appears to be saying what the person said and so they allow that to become part of their doctrinal understanding. Then later when someone else comes along with a different take on it, there will be a debate, a defense, possibly a quarrel until either a wall is built between the two who are at odds, or a relationship is severed, or they'll try the most cordial thing and agree to disagree.
True revelation always has room for others to disaprove because a revelation is not something that comes in mass production. It's an internal experience. And knowing that we're all different, it's only sensible to also know that personal revelation for one person is going to be different from another. Debates can be effective if both people are approaching it in humility rather than aggressive behavior. I can win a debate, but in winning the debate, I can still walk away being wrong. Especially when it comes to spiritual matters because in the kingdom, everything is really the opposite of how I "think" it should be.
Faith doesn't come by reading the word, it comes by "hearing" it. The word comes to me "inwardly". my spirit is the one proclaiming or preaching it, but if I'm walking according to my reasoning and not walking "in" the spirit, then comes the question "who" will be able to hear it?
I think what Beloved Servant pasted on Romans 10 speaks volumes . . . the last verse posted states
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
The "sound" of life goes out to all. Faith comes by hearing the sound inside me, calling me to places my mind doesn't understand. The only way we can hear the sound of the spirit is when we take captive the noise of our thoughts. Hearing the sound births faith from within. I don't rely on what I read until after I've already heard the sound from within first.
Doctrine should never be based on what comes from the outside. The foundation should always begin from within first. That's why I've shared before that I think the general population of the church have their doctrine on building doctrine all backwords. It's not based on what my mind reads, it's based on what the sound reveals. As the reverberation of life manifests the nature of Christ, my mind is then able to "read" what's written with better effectiveness and clarity. It's the sound within that allows me to rightly divide that which is with out.