NDE's that have a hellish nature

[DeeDee]

Hi all. I must admit something to you. I only joined this site today and already I feel so blessed. Thanks to you all and thanks to God Almighty. One of the reasons that I have held on to the idea's of eternal hell fire is because so many NDE's (near death experiences) these days seem to portray it. Even in most testimonies people talk of being in what they know is an eternal hell and then somehow they regain conscience. This has been frightful to say the least. I try not to read the testimonies then I somehow can't help myself (I have a little OCD problem I think). I would love to hear some views on this.

God Bless
Dee

[rosered]

  Hi Dee ho neighbour  :laughing7:

    My sis had a wonderful experience  when she was  ebbing away  from
her mortal  body ,
  she had an accident  and was bleeding to death 

 
she remembers  the ''PRESENCE OF LOVE /The LORD'' 

and she  felt the love / a connection of  such peace she had never known  ,

  though she had never been religious or holy 
   She looked down and saw her body  ,
  But she was ALIVE and above it all , 
the paramedics were working on her body ,
  and she thought why are they doing that ? ,
  she told me she wanted to stay right there in that WONDERFUL PLACE 

She did ask Jesus to help her , because she had been drinking and  was angry and run her fist though a plate glass door
   that showed me that GOD was much more  merciful than what any mortal man could ever imagine or judge in a rightous judgment
  mortal  man dont know anything  when it comes to God and His mercy  until their time comes for the Lord to deal with them !!

She was  able to return back to us and   we love her  so much , she is a light now to all who know her  and she does not do them things any longer , God /Jesus  DID forgive her  every debt and  had awesome mercy on her when most folks would have thought it was tooo late to save 
God is good always and forever 
       I wonder if them hell fire and brimstone  NDES are not their greatest fears that come upon them ?


Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.


26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.

[martincisneros]

Not many people that hang around these boards have much of an indepth Biblical revelation of calling things that be not as though they were, but for the few around here that might have a clue on that, or that think that they can endure my comment along these lines: I'll simply briefly say that we've had centuries of Christians calling things that be not as though they were on this very subject.  Any torture chambers could simply be a matter of the Church having created them, rather than anything approximating that being a part of God's purpose of the ages.  Israel wanted a king, while the Church has wanted a Hell. What's the difference?

Other than that, if there were a Hell in these near death experiences, it doesn't automatically follow that we're talking about an eternal one.  And then there is the gray area of where the dividing lines are from experience to experience; from person to person, between brain chemicals and what was an actual "out of body."

Many of these testimonies are published with the intent of selling the books and DVDs involved, so the more sensational the better.  It's not necessarily all nonsense because of that, but if you're wanting to make money off of a book and you've got 500 testimonies in front of you and only plan on publishing between 15 and 50 of them at the absolute most in a particular book project, then aren't you going to lean your selection of which ones you publish towards either the more sensational ones and/or towards the ones that you believe will back up the premise of your book if it includes a perspective as 99.99999% of these types of books do?

When you're driving down the HWY at night, lights in the distance don't always mean an inferno.  It could mean a business sign that your eyes just can't focus on because of how far away it is, it could be an airport, or it could be city or national government whatever.  People that have gone to theme parks and carnivals of various kinds have probably seen the distorting mirrors that can make someone built like a shoestring look like they're 900 pounds, while a different mirror can make someone weighing 300 look like they weigh 180 to 220 pounds.  Even in this world, what you see isn't always what you get.

The Bible indicates that there are malevolent spirits out there, and if human beings can put on a real show for Halloween, then why wouldn't they be able to?  Additionally, few of us know what things are supposed to look like without our bodies when instead of human, physical eyes all we've got to go on are our spiritual senses.  The Bible indicates strange looking beings are out there.  Who's to say that your first hour out of your body isn't a time of your spiritual eyes adjusting and everything/everyone looking weird at first?

One's own beliefs could make one afraid of their own shadow in an out of body context.  Not everyone treasures and develops an understanding, perspective, and a world and spiritual view that's Scripturally centered.  So, without the soundness of mind of YHVH and Lord Jesus, one's own thoughts and phobias and whatever can come back to haunt one -- even if things were ideal between one and their heavenly Father through having actively reconciled one's self to God according to 2Corinthians 5.

I can't rest in the visions of others if they contradict my understanding of the Scriptures.  Whether or not there's a literal human AntiChrist to arise on the world's scene is an entirely different matter to God actually having a torture chamber and house of horrors that await the unconverted when the Scriptures are clear that Christ is heir of the wicked, the goodness of God leads one to repentance, the work of Christ was much greater than the work of Adam, and the Scriptures are abundantly clear about God not being willing that any should perish, but that His counsel should stand and that He will accomplish all of His pleasure because all souls are His. 

Some things are a matter of degrees when it comes to how they line up with my understanding of Scripture.  If 7 years of tribulation really come, and there's an actual microchip that people have to receive to buy, sell, and hold a job, that's an entirely different matter [by degrees] from God being inconsistent with Himself, with the Cross of Christ, and with the mission that He's given the Church to disciple the nations.  Why bother if they're all toast anyway, based upon their best understanding of and response to the available evidence before them while the belief of many of them is that Hollywood is more believable than the Church that has yet to bring in the golden age of a converted world where lions are laying down with lambs and kids can play by snake holes?

Many things are excuseable in the grand scheme of things, including the frailty of the Church thus far in history, but what's Biblically intolerable is to have a God that's inconsistent with Himself and with His purpose in Christ Jesus.  If it were ever conclusively proven that there's a torture chamber underground or in some other demension, that doesn't prove that it's eternal when we've got many clear promises of Scripture that promise something else entirely.

[WhiteWings]

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 
When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 
Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

or

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 
"When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 
"There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 
or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 
"For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you.

Assuming the above simply means that God forbids to communicate with the dead in any way...
Aren't hell visions communication with the dead?
The books I read about it where mostly looking at the ones in hell. And quite often hearing their thoughts.
Talking things strictly listening is not talking.

one who interprets omens

But if it is not speaking with the dead then a view of hell is an omen.

What exactly is the difference between a vision (like Revelation) and a omen?

Just some thoughts.

[martincisneros]

Omen is the male counterpart to Amen

[Nathan]

Omen the "male" counterpart?  I see "amen" to mean "so be it" . . .so the feminine counterpart would be . . ."so BUY it" . . .Get it??  feminine???  "buy"?? 

MAN I'm funny!!!! :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

[Nathan]

Sorry, Here's actually what's bothering me with this particular topic  . . .
Collossians 2
18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

To try to build a platform by a near death experience just seems a bit unstable for me to rely on.

[Craig]

Hi all. I must admit something to you. I only joined this site today and already I feel so blessed. Thanks to you all and thanks to God Almighty. One of the reasons that I have held on to the idea's of eternal hell fire is because so many NDE's (near death experiences) these days seem to portray it. Even in most testimonies people talk of being in what they know is an eternal hell and then somehow they regain conscience. This has been frightful to say the least. I try not to read the testimonies then I somehow can't help myself (I have a little OCD problem I think). I would love to hear some views on this.

God Bless
Dee

They are misinterpretations of the mind, or interpretations of fear that is in the mind. What they are seeing is not there, but in their mind because they fear where they are going.

[willieH]

Omen the "male" counterpart?  I see "amen" to mean "so be it" . . .so the feminine counterpart would be . . ."so BUY it" . . .Get it??  feminine???  "buy"?? 

MAN I'm funny!!!! :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

:laugh: :laughhand:  YOU ARE ...quite funny Nathan!  :pointlaugh:

peacE...
willieH    :angel5:

[WhiteWings]

Omen is the male counterpart to Amen

Male=Adam=Amen=Good
Female=Eve=Omen=Fruit lady

Seriously isn't omen the shadow side of amen?
Dark vs Light?
Black magic?

[DeeDee]

You know what's funny to me, someone who came here totally freaked out by hell. Is that after listening to what's-her-name, and watching the hell footage supplied by the 23 minutes guy, has probably been my most therapeutic experience.

Brian

Explain please  :dontknow:

[jabcat]

 :2thumbs:  Perfect!

[WhiteWings]

"Scenes Beyond the Grave"
A heaven NDE book that can be freely read and downloaded as a .pdf here:
http://books.google.nl/books?id=ukpdMlquGg0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=marietta+davis&num=100&hl=en#PPR5,M1

There is also a copyrighted (not downloadle) rewrite "Nine days in Heaven"

Marietta Davis fell into a trance at age twenty-five that lasted nine days. She experienced a vision that made her a legend. When she finally regained consciousness she described with extraordinary graphic detail scenes of how angels had conducted her spirit to heaven and hell. Marietta made it clear that her vision was given for her to tell the world so people could prepare for the afterlife. This new modern English rewrite of Scenes Beyond the Grave is an attempt to recapture the original story in a more readable text. Supporting testimonials of the original publisher, family, and others appear close to their original form at the end of the book.