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[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Martin, I thought that one source you quoted interesting, the one about the fumes of flesh. When I was under that anointing before I knew what an anointing was, when I was first saved, I could not stand the smell of ANY kind of meat cooking. It was definitely part of the spiritual experience although I didn't understand why. It was a 180 for me, since I was a big meat eater, and so made it stand out all the more as something NOT of me, but of the Spirit working something into me. Blessings....

[martincisneros]

When I was under that anointing before I knew what an anointing was, when I was first saved, I could not stand the smell of ANY kind of meat cooking. It was definitely part of the spiritual experience although I didn't understand why.

They're not remotely compatible.

[jabcat]

Funny guy  :tease:.  Not the end of the world (as far I know  :bigGrin:)...I just personally don't think there's any condemnation either for keeping days if done in good conscience before God, or for not keeping days if done in good conscience before God...God veils and reveals in all things, IMO.

Romans 14
Principles of Conscience
1Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.
2One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.

3The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.

4Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.

7For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;

8for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.

9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

11For it is written,
         "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
         AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."

12So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.

13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.

14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

[WhiteWings]

Romans 14
Principles of Conscience
1Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.

I think there is a fine line between judgement and and teaching.
Teaching often is telling people they are wrong. Jesus didn't agree with everyone. He didn't keep His mouth shut because He didn't want to judge those weak in faith. He explained them with scripture. ETs also explain things and add 'burn forever' to every explanation. That's condeming. To be honest I knew people would focus on the word condemn. Just my way of letting people read my stuff. Besides I think it's more approtiate for me to condemn people than to teach people.
Duth saying: "When the fox preaches passion, farmer watch your chickens."

2One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.

Cool, I'm gonna eat my way to salvation!  :winkgrin:

[martincisneros]

An honest question about the traditional interpretation of Romans 14: am I weak?

[jabcat]

do you think it would be "lawful" for you to eat meat if you chose to?  MAYBE there's at least some dinstinction there...

[Doc]

It seems to me that the example of vegetables was just that, an example. It's not advocating an omnivorous diet vs. a vegetarian/ vegan one. The way I read that is that the weak (spiritually) may limit themselves in some way based on their weakness.

[WhiteWings]

An honest question about the traditional interpretation of Romans 14: am I weak?

:laughing7: I wanted to make a vegan joke but restrained myself. Now I feel cheated out of a smiley  :sigh:
:icon_king:

Is it really about food?
Or are the veggies the easy parts of the scripture and the meat the stuff fot teachers and advanced students?

Jesus ate meat. So how can it be forbidden?
Isn't it even ordered by God to roast (and eat) a lamb for passover? So how can it be wrong?

[martincisneros]

do you think it would be "lawful" for you to eat meat if you chose to?  MAYBE there's at least some dinstinction there...

God would cook my rear end in the Lake of Fire longer than Adolf Hitler if I ever stepped back into that.  There is zero question about what God's shown me in the Scriptures and has spoken to me about very clearly.  Plus, I can't break my word (Psalm 15:4) even if the revelation of Christ's High Priestly ministry over the animal kingdom weren't clear to me yet.  I'd never break my word under any circumstances whatsoever.  Too much depends on it.  I could never break my spirit in that way.  I would honestly immediately and literally die if I knowingly stepped into that.  There are certain covenants with God that I have that there's ZERO QUESTION about where I stand, what I'll do, and what signs and wonders I am to expect from my heavenly Father.  I couldn't betray innocent blood.  After showing me UR in February of 2001, God pulled me all of the way into this in April of 2001.  This isn't theory with me.  There is somewhere that I'm heading over the course of my entire life time with God.  I've got some specific prizes that I'm running for.  And I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I know from my experience in those first days I related above, that there is something to it, something He has not yet convicted me of. We're only held accountable for that which we know, ie. have made revelation to us by the Spirit, once we come into a maturity in Him. In this way, no one is judged beyond the measure of grace they have been given to walk in.

Someone just telling us something, even it is truth, STILL doesn't have the power to judge the flesh, unless the SPIRIT is doing His convicting work in the heart of the recipient.

So while Martin is in obedience to what the Spirit has made life in him, no one else would be judged by the SPIRIT as being in judgment for what they have heard, if it has not been addressed to them by the SPIRIT. As many as are led by the SPIRIT of the Lord, they are the sons of God.

Another thing on this subject that I shared before is the fast HE put me on, the day I found out my mother had terminal cancer. It was carrots and water. I ate carrots and water, quite a bit at first, then it tapered down until the last week, if I had one carrot twice a day, I was good. I was on this for 32 days.

Now the stunning thing I found out about this, is that not only was I not weak in the least, I was able to continue going to the gym every day and working out strenuously, with no fatigue. In fact, just the opposite was happening to me, as I felt speeded up or so quickened by the Spirit within me, that I required to lay down only 3 hours per night, and then it seemed as if I was still semi-awake or aware in a way I had never experienced before.

I asked the Lord about this, and He told me that for the first time in my life, I was drawing my life (read this as spiritual energy) from the Spirit. I never felt better, in fact, and it had an added benefit of seeming to increase with each passing day. I actually wanted to go 40 days, and decided if I made that, then to ask Him for another 40. I will always be aggravated with myself for allowing circumstances to get to me and give up, at day 32. But this is not something that we can undertake without the Spirit either leading us to do so, or agreeing with our petition to do it.

I know I was on the verge of discovering something phenomenal about our make-up, as spiritual beings in a flesh body. Blessings....

[Doc]

Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen Doc, it's the Spirit breathed Word that inspires us, or gives us HIS breath, that we truly live, or have life by.  :thumbsup: Blessings...

[martincisneros]

:cloud9: I know from my experience in those first days I related above, that there is something to it, something He has not yet convicted me of. We're only held accountable for that which we know, ie. have made revelation to us by the Spirit, once we come into a maturity in Him. In this way, no one is judged beyond the measure of grace they have been given to walk in.

Someone just telling us something, even it is truth, STILL doesn't have the power to judge the flesh, unless the SPIRIT is doing His convicting work in the heart of the recipient.

So while Martin is in obedience to what the Spirit has made life in him, no one else would be judged by the SPIRIT as being in judgment for what they have heard, if it has not been addressed to them by the SPIRIT. As many as are led by the SPIRIT of the Lord, they are the sons of God.

Yes, as I was indicating earlier: this is where I've been at the whole time any of you have known of me.  This isn't something new.  This is just a level of where I'm at that I'd always previously censored myself from getting into this kind of depth about it on these boards.  It's not the position of Tentmaker Ministries or anything like that.  From what Mercy Aiken told me one time, Gary's the exact opposite.

...In fact, just the opposite was happening to me, as I felt speeded up or so quickened by the Spirit within me, that I required to lay down only 3 hours per night, and then it seemed as if I was still semi-awake or aware in a way I had never experienced before.

I asked the Lord about this, and He told me that for the first time in my life, I was drawing my life (read this as spiritual energy) from the Spirit. I never felt better

This is where I live, hence the occasional [tongue in cheek] Superman or Spiderman avatar from me on my profiles online at this site and others, although I do it for other reasons too that I won't get into here.

....But this is not something that we can undertake without the Spirit either leading us to do so, or agreeing with our petition to do it.

I know I was on the verge of discovering something phenomenal about our make-up, as spiritual beings in a flesh body. Blessings....

It's unquestionably the future laid out before us.  I seldom bring it up any more unless I'm particularly lead to do so with the exception of over the Bread and Cup of 1Corinthians 11 that I've hinted a few times has this additional meaning for me now.  I'm also more prone to bring it up when the Lord has me in a particularly fruitful time of intercession for all of the animals of the world and He wants me giving a little blip of it on everybody's radar to watch what He's about to do, as something usually inevitably happens somewhere in the world related to an animal or animals in the plural.  This is the Mustard Seed revelation of the Kingdom that Jesus kept bringing up.......so that the birds of the air can rest in it's branches....There's a very very strong anointing for this particular issue that I know is going to come upon me to become as vocal about it as I was in the early days of when God was showing me this.  There's many more things that I have to write about this on a website that I have devoted to this at animalgospel.com  I've done about one article on this for that website in about 5 years, or whatever it's been.  And I'm thinking that the FAQ page is a bit messed up, so I need to get with the webmasters of that site and find out if some pages just didn't make it into that directory or if we've got some duplicate links.  And also, 'cause I have quite a few things to add to that page that I've either been asked about it over the years or have occured to me on their own.  I've just been pretty lazy on the subject, unless the Lord's had me in a concentrated time of meditation in all of the Scriptures that He's pointed out to me that have any relevance to it, or unless He's draw upon me to worship Him along the lines of this.