The Fire of God

[marie glen]

Oh yes and the tongue can be a setter of things on fire! The huge fire from the sky in the sight of man (Rev.13:13) surely has to be a huge event.. but it's not seen because it is doctrinally believed to be pinpointing an individual. But what instead if it pinpoints an office? ..just that slight difference.. but the doctrine keeps things in confusion, whereas UR benefits from clarity.. even simplicity. ...But it's amazing how in the study of original words, things become so much more apparent..  But handed down doctrines hide so much! They too being a fire of error.. Fires of implosion, both individual and collective..

[sheila]

....at present there is an accounting of 'every word that comes out of your mouth"being doneby men allover the earth[judged of men}

pc/hate speech etc.Jesus..'the Father judges no man"I judge no man" as ye judge ye shall be judged..these words that I speakwill

judge ye in the last day. 2 Tim 2;23have nothing to do with stupid and foolish arguments..for you know they produce quarrels...

  you must not quarrel,you must be kind to everyone.  Gently instruct those who oppose inhope.......and escape the trap of the devil who

has  taken them captive to do his will[for the captive church in Babylon..the lamb that speaks as a dragon...the turn or burn of

Constatine/the crusades..et all other and every manner/device of  the adversary..

   right now,the lamb that spake as a dragon [overcome churches]is being judged harshly for their'HATE"speech[ET/ED/Hellfire etc.]

corruption in the churches has been being publicly exposed since the 70's. and yes,there is the other extreme..that openly embraces

homosexuality/adulterery/theft/murder without being cognizant...that we all  must be  changed from our former selves.[but

that is what some of you formerly were]

   Galations 5;15

[sheila]

and that CHANGE is called..NEW CREATURE/NEW HEAVEN/NEW EARTH....LOOK!I AM MAKING ALL THINGS NEW . :2c:

[marie glen]

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[marie glen]

It seems strange to me that the fiery judgments of God, in the Old Testament were all earthly.. They were not afterlife. Then somehow the judgments of God were transformed into the afterlife torment visions of the nations. And now most Christians read the scripture with that assumption, projection and teaching in mind.. Perhaps what's needed is to return to the roots.. the OT views. Not the observing of the letter of the law/covenant w/ Israel, which is a red herring, and which every(?) NT letter clearly goes into. We are granted liberty to approach God "in a new and living way" - The Law "shows sin"/flawed behavior, Christ Crucified is the blood oath that we are pardoned and can freely receive that pardon and be born again.. "the seed" Jesus now to grow and mature in us.. Jesus fulfils the law, including within those who are His.

For example in the parable of the steward(s) when Jesus says "those servants found of the Lord at His coming, being disobedient, will be beaten with many stripes" is all too often assumed to be afterlife punishment.. But there's only the two resurrections.. the one of life (at Jesus' return) and the one "after the thousand years"/millennium, the one "of judgment". The believer, who is disobedient, "eating and drinking with the drunken" (and confused?) "and, or beating other members of the household" will "have their part with the unsaved" -- again read or projected as afterlife.. but didn't Jesus often talk about not being snared with the world at its judgment/consequences, called "the day of the LORD".

..."the Son of man will come in an hour you know not of" as opposed to "He does nothing unless He first tell His servants." (OT)

I've been reading Amos.. and the phrase used is "Iwill not hold back the punishment coming" upon nations named, including Judah and Israel, which history records those judgments, sometimes Yhvh called them "fire"

Also in Amos (3:5?15?) "shall a snare do its snaring if its spring is not sprung?" Cause and effect. Like Obadiah 16 says "your own works will fall upon your own head".

Amos lists how the poor were oppressed.. their garment or bed taken as pledge and supposed to be returned before nightfall, were instead kept.. even the dust of the poor person was coveted.. there was injustice and no mercy.. on and on the injustices were listed by the prophets.. But today the world takes pity on the oppressors.. oh how can God be so mean.. so vindictive? Hah! God will be proven SO right in all things.

"It is given unto men" even the wicked oppressor or predator, mass murderers, torturers, etc. "and then the judgment"

"For God knows how to preserve the unjust for correction on day of judgment" 2 Pet.2:9. They were not merciful, nor just.. but God is. Will man's world perish in a fiery burst (lake?) of fire.. created for (the use of?) the devil and his angels? And the results of mankind's own doings.. namely war (red horse & rider) "given a long/great sword"..

"Nevertheless we look for a new heavens and a new Earth wherein righteousness will dwell" and LOVE will rule, in all.. His law having been (painstakenly - God being life, suffers it all) written upon every heart.. all fully convinced "by His Spirit concerning sin"/"missing the mark".

God "is perfect" and "is the light/life that lighteth every man" - it is an ironclad natural law? that imperfection/"missing the mark" is a bottomless pit of potential.. is tribulation, apocalypse and then death. Imperfection being the opposite of perfect/God/life, so an ironclad natural law, which, ultimately preserves paradise/perfection. All fully convinced that that road cannot in any way be successfully traversed. Not ever. See how all in heaven and earth are learning this so important learning of good from evil all together? At once. HE is SO infinitely wise.

I no longer believe in afterlife punishment except inner or victims accusations upon that great day, and the resulting burning shame (followed by repentance - for He "will draw ALL").. GWTJ/the real DOA, which Lev.23:26-32 is the shadow/example of?

26 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 27 “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. 28 And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the Lord your God. 29 For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”

Of course we KNOW ultimately NONE shall be cut off from the ppl, for Jesus said He will draw ALL ("every, all, the whole") to Himself, Jn.12:32. So thus, by end of GWTJ, no names not enrolled in the book of life? None left not "believing".. "Every tongue will (wholeheartedly, according to the Greek) confess Jesus is Lord" - Philippians 2:11.

"ALL the ends of Earth will remember/come to their senses(the Hebrew) and will turn to the LORD, and ALL families of the nations will worship/rejoice before Him" - Ps.22:27.. that great psalm of literal fulfilments..
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