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Title: Pastor's Argument about Satan
Post by: PaoloNuevo on September 25, 2011, 06:29:56 AM
Satan is Satan himself... If he is a part of creation, how can a deceiver repent?


The question asked was: "Do you believe that all creation will eventually repent?"
Title: Re: Pastor's Argument about Satan
Post by: Nathan on September 26, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
Our minds deceive us all the time, and yet repentance manifests there as well.

Maybe the question should be, "how can ANY created SPIRITUAL being knowing the fulness of God "not" be affected by Him?"
Title: Re: Pastor's Argument about Satan
Post by: jabcat on September 26, 2011, 10:32:30 PM
I read recently (by a UR believer) that the only place "forever and ever" - correctly translated as "more than an age/aion - perhaps forever" - is used, is in Rev. when it talks about the punishment of satan and his angels.   :2c:    :dontknow:
Title: Re: Pastor's Argument about Satan
Post by: Nathan on September 26, 2011, 10:49:50 PM
That doesn't work for me either though, I'm not a supporter of seeing the book as either futuristic or literal . .for us . . .

What was the source of the driving force that brought all of those events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem and Israel as a whole back in A.D. 70 if it wasn't the adversary "in men"? 

too much uncertainty even in dissecting of definitions . . . so much gets lost in translations . . .not saying it's not to be read . . it's just not to be rendered literally.
Title: Re: Pastor's Argument about Satan
Post by: PaoloNuevo on September 27, 2011, 01:43:29 AM
Andrew Jukes answers this argument in one of the appendices of "Restitution of All" ..

God does not lay hold on [fallen] angels at the present time, but doesn't mean He won't restore them....

Some use Matt 25: 41 to prove that Satan and his angels are irredeemable not knowing that v46 has a redemptive purpose...  :happy3:
Title: Re: Pastor's Argument about Satan
Post by: Green-Arrow on January 07, 2012, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: PaoloNuevo on September 25, 2011, 06:29:56 AM
Satan is Satan himself... If he is a part of creation, how can a deceiver repent?


The question asked was: "Do you believe that all creation will eventually repent?"
Moment someone concedes he's a part of creation, then duh! Romans 8:21: creation enters into the liberties of the children of God.

For those who believe Satan's merely an idea: every thought has to be brought captive to the obedience of Christ, so even that would be a form of redemption.
Title: Re: Pastor's Argument about Satan
Post by: Cardinal on January 07, 2012, 07:11:33 PM
 :cloud9: That's true....