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Started by WhiteWings, March 19, 2011, 12:32:24 AM

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Some really cheerfull chaps in the world....
Quote from: Bible commentary15:22 For as in Adam all die. All the race in Adam became subject to death.
Even so in Christ shall all be made alive. So in Christ all the race shall be raised from the dead to appear at the bar of eternal judgment. The passage does not affirm the final salvation of all, but the final resurrection of all. There is a resurrection of the just and of the unjust (Ac 24:15).
So basicly Jesus died on the cross to make it possible for 95% of humanity to be roasted forever.


Quote*The A.V. (KJV) translation connects the phrase "to all men" with the verb "has appeared," rather than the substantival adjective "salvation." In gender, "salvation" agrees with "grace" and, since it is used substantively as a predicate adjective, the connecting verb is understood, i.e., "the grace of God . . ., bringing salvation (lit., is salivation for) to all men." Principles of grammar strongly favor the NASB translation because of word order. (in the Greek text "salvation" is positioned next to the phrase "to all men," whereas the passive verb "has appeared" Is the first word in the verse, occurring before the phrase "the grace of God" and is complete with or without the predicate adjective "salvation" and the following phrase "to all men." Therefore, it Is best to connect the phrase "to all men" with "salvation" (like the NASB) not with "has appeared" (like the A.V.). The purpose of the predicate adjective Is to present an additional explanatory statement concerning the grace of God which actually becomes the main point in the sentence. Hence, the nuance of verse 11 is this: "The grace of God has appeared; indeed, it brings salvation to all men." And the connection between verse 11 and 12 is this: "The grace of God has appeared, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires . . ."
So Jesus was giving a sermon to people who  couldn't even count the fingers on one hand but they fully understood the implications of all the red words?


A more positive quote I found:
QuoteMartin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, once wrote:

"God forbid that I should limit the time for acquiring faith to the present life. In the depths of the divine mercy there may be opportunity to win it in the future state." – Letter to Hansen von Rechenberg, 1523. (Luther's Briefe, ii. 454.)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...