And here, there is a difference between God's world and our own. To God there is no past, present or future. All are one to Him. Therefore, what God intends to do, He has already done. (Rv.21:6, Ps.22:31).
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
6 He said to me:
"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."
matrix? :grin:
Sorry, I don't understand the response: matrix.
not to take anything away from your post,sorry
(matrix, refers to a movie where the senses were all computer generated and the recepient wasn't aware of it ,until they had an "awakening" of sorts.
Quote from: onlytruth on February 23, 2011, 03:03:36 AM
not to take anything away from your post,sorry
(matrix, refers to a movie where the senses were all computer generated and the recepient wasn't aware of it ,until they had an "awakening" of sorts.
You got that right! I was beginning to believe even after all this time that no one saw what that movie had said unknowing the depth that they opened for those reading the Bible could see. For me it opened up the entire understanding and depth of what is now and will be. Great!!!! :grin: :Sparkletooth: :thumbsup:
I haven't seen the movie.
But it does not surprise me that the spirit of hollywood is there to corrupt the TRUTH.
Inevitable!
Is there not a precedent in the Scriptures?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on February 23, 2011, 04:42:56 AM
I haven't seen the movie.
But it does not surprise me that the spirit of hollywood is there to corrupt the TRUTH.
Inevitable!
Is there not a precedent in the Scriptures?
See the movie. Considering it with the Mind you read your Bible. Hollywood nor the author(I believe) have no idea as what they put forth. The very beginning of what they believe is awesome.
The matrix is almost entirely based on a gnostic theology.
That may be so, but the ideas the Matrix puts forth do open your mind to other possibilities: namely the possibility that your current belief system may be wrong - its simply an illusion.
This concept is powerful if you can realize it in your own life - you may realize you have been wrong about something (most all of us here at TM sure have, right?). Books like 1984 and Animal Farm also show some of this.
Even the kids movie Toy Story has this concept (BTW Toy Story is a great movie!). In it, Buzz believes that he is a great space ranger, out to save the universe. Half way through he has an epiphany that he is just a toy - a child's play thing. But then Woody shows him that being a child's toy is a great thing too.
Some how I see that applying to my life (call me strange). We come into this world thinking we are great, in control of our own destiny. Then we realize we are not in control. God is in control. We feel powerless. Then maybe we realize that this is not a bad thing that God is in control... :Sparkletooth:
Anyway, the point here is God teaches us through many things - even Hollywood movies like the Matrix (and Toy Story!)...
:cloud9: :thumbsup: Love your new fire picture, Beloved....
I wasn't implying we can't learn from movies and such, just stating a fact. I think I misunderstood Micah's post, as though the "theology" of the movie is sound.
I'm glad you guys are not just a bunch of stiffs. The lords glory is upon you so that you can see beyond the cover and appreciate a young persons movie such as the matrix. :thumbsup:
:cloud9: His Truth has been corrupted and it's EVERYWHERE..... :2c:
Quote from: Beloved Servant on February 23, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
And here, there is a difference between God's world and our own. To God there is no past, present or future. All are one to Him. Therefore, what God intends to do, He has already done. (Rv.21:6, Ps.22:31).
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
6 He said to me:
"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."
Yes. I liked the matrix movie, I guess I saw in it what others may not have, forget the movie and my thoughts on it. Yes, Beloved, we are human and what attributes we have been given is how we descern, but "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."
That is a powerfull and positve truth that "we" have not begun to fathom, its depth and love for all creation, and we moan from not knowing, yet.....BELIEVE.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on February 23, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
psalm 22:27 also helps ur argument
http://biblos.com/psalms/22-27.htm (http://biblos.com/psalms/22-27.htm)
Quote from: Beloved Servant on February 23, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
6 He said to me:
"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."
http://biblos.com/revelation/21-6.htm (http://biblos.com/revelation/21-6.htm)
The word thirsty: http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1372.htm (http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1372.htm)
Short Definition: I thirst for, desire earnestly
Definition: I thirst for, desire earnestly.Sinners don't desire earnestly. So that's a possible definition.
Also he says that the sinners will be consigned to the lake of fire (second death) right after rev 21:6, if he said that he will give life to everyone who is thirsty (which would be all the unbelievers), then why would he go on about the exception of sinners going to the lake of fire?
What it all comes down to is whether or not isiah 45:21-25 means that everyone's knee will bow and everyone will swear OR if it means every believer will bow and every believer will swear. So I can't side with either eternal damnation or universal salvation atm. I'm also troubled by the fact that no where in the bible does it directly say that everyone will eventually go to heaven, but it says many times that believers will go to heaven and unbelievers go to the temporary hell and then if people stay as sinners and don't bow and swear before the white throne they'll go to the lake of fire.
Micah - I agree with you regarding the matrix... to those who walk after the spirit, they can see the matrix all around us... however, I do not believe that Hollywood was ignorant of what it was producing... the hidden agenda of mystery babylon was, imo, revealed in the movie the matrix... mystery babylon has created the matrix and they intend to destroy the matrix as well when they accomplish the goal of waking the masses to a reality they they are their own God. But those who walk after the Spirit can see the matrix and will not be drawn into the strong delusion because "they love the truth."
:2c:
Quote from: Cardinal on February 24, 2011, 12:18:58 AM
:cloud9: :thumbsup: Love your new fire picture, Beloved....
Thanks Card, so do I.
It's from Bro. Elwin Roach's website: Godfire.net.
God is good!
Quote from: Beloved Servant on February 23, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
And here, there is a difference between God's world and our own. To God there is no past, present or future. All are one to Him. Therefore, what God intends to do, He has already done. (Rv.21:6, Ps.22:31).
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
6 He said to me:
"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."
Hey all. It's been a long while since I've been on here, and just catching up on what's going on. This was one of the first topics I stumbled upon, and for this I have to add my :2c:
I don't know if I agree with the statement 'Don't believe your 5 senses'.
God gave us these senses so we could experience the world HE created for us! We have sight so we could see the beauty He has made. Would anyone of you look at the beauty of a sunrise and say that it wasn't really there? Or that it wasn't really as beautiful as it seemed? Or what about the sound of your children's laughter while at play? Is the joy of hearing that something that He didn't want anyone of us to enjoy? And I don't know about you, but I LOVE the smell of baking cookies! Senses are a physical thing that we as humans are given for numerous reasons... for safety and survival, communication, learning, growing... all things that help to make us who we are.
I believe that the verse quoted from Psalms is a prophecy about Jesus's success at the cross. In Revelation, I believe this verse is talking about the completion of what Jesus was sent here to do, which was to put an end to the old covenant and start the new covenant. I could understand saying something like 'Don't believe what people tell you about Jesus not saving all men' (here I could pretty much copy and paste all of Hebrews 10) and telling people to use their logical brains and not imaginations and emotions, but I don't understand how we should read into that to not believe our senses. Can someone maybe clarify if I have misunderstood the original post?
Hi Syndicated! WB!
I agree with you that he gave us a world that would delight us. But he also gave us something else, so we could see beyond the world of our five senses.
2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
They are the five senses of the body or the five senses of the flesh.
You can know God or good and evil, but not both!
Knowing God and knowing good and evil are mutually exclusive.
The 5 senses of the body... Hmmm.... okay, the next time you see/hear/smell a fire in the building you're in, have fun believing it's not real. I, however, will believe the senses tha God made me with, pull the fire alarm and get the heck out. And the next time I feel the arms of my fiance around me in a hug, I will understand that he's showing me affection and comfort in a way God intended.
So when we're told to sing to God, are we supposed to believe that He doesn't really hear us? or how about when we pray? Does He not hear us in our voicing of both joy and anguish? We were made to experience this world around us and marvel in the wonders He created for us out of love.
As for good and evil and knowing God, God is with us at all times, helping us in our everyday lives because He loves us, so we have nothing to fear.
Psalm 23:4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil, for You are with me;
Remember! — The five foolish virgins run out of oil.
Well then I guess it's a good thing I have Jesus to be the oil in my lamp so I won't run out! :dsunny:
If Jesus tells you to stand still in the fire, what would you do?
Quote from: Beloved Servant on May 18, 2011, 08:25:45 PM
If Jesus tells you to stand still in the fire, what would you do?
Stand!
As did Peter in prison.
As did Stephen while stoned.
As did Jesus silently on Pilot's porch.
Eph 6:13 For this cause, take up the complete armour of God, in order that ye may receive power to withstand in the evil day, and, all things, having accomplished, to stand!
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore,—having girded your loins with truth, and put on the breastplate of righteousness,
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Act 26:16 but rise, and stand upon thy feet, for for this I appeared to thee, to appoint thee an officer and a witness both of the things thou didst see, and of the things in which I will appear to thee,
I'd suggest we be sure we're hearing His voice and not our own imagination. :2c:
My sheep hear My voice
Quote from: jabcat on May 19, 2011, 04:36:04 AM
I'd suggest we be sure we're hearing His voice and not our own imagination. :2c:
Now there sir you have said something that we should all ponder with scrutiny. :2c:
Quote from: micah7:9 on May 19, 2011, 07:26:37 AM
Quote from: jabcat on May 19, 2011, 04:36:04 AM
I'd suggest we be sure we're hearing His voice and not our own imagination. :2c:
Now there sir you have said something that we should all ponder with scrutiny. :2c:
Agreed, thanks. I believe sometimes our mind deceives us.
In this age, we see through a glass darkly. I believe it's prayer, discernment, listening for His voice -
while, searching the scriptures daily "to see if these things are so".
I hear you :laughing7:
Jesus often said: "It is written..." but it's unlikely He walked around with scrolls in His hand during His ministry.
We are living epistles that must be weaned off the printed Book.
How can we say as Jesus did, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father," when full of doubt to His Spoken Word.
"We are living epistles that must be weaned off the printed Book." Beloved Servant
Am I way out of line reasoning and believing the the "living epsitles" that we are the Book of Life, and that our actions are the pen and ink that writes those actions, good or bad.
Jesus Christ is the Book of Life, it is His script which we live and have our being.
He does the Will of the Father, those actions are always "good."
Although Pharaoh may disagree; it depends on one's perspective.
6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
--Deut 6
Beautiful Molly!
Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed.
David, are you, or are you not saying we need to leave the scriptures behind as part of our "growth"? Do you believe everything you personally "think" as being from the Lord? Have you ever "mis-heard", thinking you heard from Him but realize later you were mistaken? I have, and I personally believe that is common to man, and is part of the reason we have so much confusion. Another reason is, many have indeed "left the written Word" and lean to their own understanding, thinking their great spirituality has led them not just beyond what is written, but even against it.
There are 100 "men of God", saying "I've heard this from God", but are in effect, saying opposite/differing things. Do you/we believe them all, every word they utter? Or do we check it against not only the Spirit's leading in our hearts, but also against what the written Word says?
Please consider my questions direct, not obtuse, subtle accusations. Also, whatever you do believe about this is between you and the Lord. Thought I would ask and seek clarification. God leads us all, to serve His purposes.
Thanks, have a blessed day.
God forbid!
We are to become the Scriptures when all is fulfilled!
I try to think as little as possible and be led of the Spirit.
If the word heard does not line up with Scripture or steals His peace, it undoubtedly has another source.
The Scriptures state My sheep know My voice... and are led. That, I believe.
"Please consider my questions direct, not obtuse, subtle accusations." <— OK, I consider it a direct accusation, as you ask. It's OK James, no offense taken!
God reigns!
LOL, ok, thanks brother for the clarification. It's not unusual in these "black and white" written formats to not quite understand what another is saying - at least I can have that problem.
Sorry for offense, blessings. And good post. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Beloved Servant on May 19, 2011, 05:30:30 PM
Jesus Christ is the Book of Life, it is His script which we live and have our being.
He does the Will of the Father, those actions are always "good."
Although Pharaoh may disagree; it depends on one's perspective.
I dont see Jesus Christ being the Book of Life.
Rev 13:8 "....scroll of life
of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
Rev 21:27 "......written
in the Lamb's book of life."
Please explain?
Thanks
THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB is the autobiography of God's Lamb.
"Forasmuch as YOU are manifestly declared to be THE EPISTLE OF CHRIST ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. Who also has made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life" (II Cor. 3:3,6).
The anointed pen of Preston: http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/lb/LB1.htm
AINT THAT WHAT I SAID?
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"We are living epistles that must be weaned off the printed Book." Beloved Servant
Am I way out of line reasoning and believing the the "living epsitles" that we are the Book of Life, and that our actions are the pen and ink that writes those actions, good or bad.
Amen!
1 Corinthians 12:27;
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.