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Hey my UR pals,

Without me here giving the light of truth in God's word, all you guys would do is form a circle, hold hands and sing "Kum by ya". When the light of truth shines... the ones who are not of God, reach  for the turn off switch. (John 8:42-47) Those who are of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.( John 8:47) Woooow. Powerful words from the Master.

BTW, none of you can stand in front of Jesus on judgment day and claim ignorance or that you were deceived. He will point to these threads that clearly have given you the truth. You willfully deny and reject that truth given. Just sayin.

You caught us in the act Lee100!
We sit around a fire and sing "Kum by ya".

Luke 3:16  ....  he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire.

Yep our eyes are focused of the the true flame of life.

ww,

Do you truly undersatnd the meaning of that scripture? Can you pray in the Holy Spirit( in tongues) WW? being baptized with the Holy spirit and Fire happened at Pentecost and continues to happen today. Read Acts 2:1-4.

I love that song!

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 08:21:49 PM
BTW, none of you can stand in front of Jesus on judgment day and claim ignorance or that you were deceived. He will point to these threads that clearly have given you the truth. You willfully deny and reject that truth given. Just sayin.

Jesus will applaud us for ignoring a false prophet.

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
ww,

Do you truly undersatnd the meaning of that scripture? Can you pray in the Holy Spirit( in tongues) WW? being baptized with the Holy spirit and Fire happened at Pentecost and continues to happen today. Read Acts 2:1-4.

:LH:

lee100 if the god you promote is indeed the monster that has created, and will create the untold number of the masses and WILL NOT save all his creation, even though he has the power to do so, i am GLAD that i don't know him, and that i never will. i know that is not the ALL powerful God that i know and worship, and there is NOTHING that you can or will say that will change my view of an ALL loving God. Here is but of one of the articles i ran across a while back to cement my belief in my ALL powerful, Loving God.

i am praying for ya, brother


You can tell when even sincere believers are scraping
the bottom of the barrel . . .
   

You can tell when even sincere believers are scraping the bottom of the barrel when they must resort to every type of argument no matter how illogical they are to disprove 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 1 Timothy 4:10. This is what 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11 says and then we will see what the baseless argumentation to back up what they say they are not saying . . .

    "God our saviour; Who will have all men (all humans) to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (5) For there is one God and one mediator between God and men (humans), the man Christ Jesus; (6) Who gave himself a ransom for all [humans], to be testified in due time."

    Author's note: Isn't it interesting that proponents of eternal torment love to quote the KJV when it fits their notions but they must make 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10 say that which the original author never intended. This is done in order to support their ideas.

1Tim.4:10: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men (humans), specially of those that believe."


Such cases of scraping the bottom of the barrel award goes to these argumentations to try to prove that the above verses do not mean what God says they really mean:


1.  God wishes He could save all mankind.
2.  God desires to save all mankind.
3.  Saviour doesn't really mean saviour here, or it means      something different here than anywhere else in the Bible      since we are dealing with all mankind here.
4.  "all humans" or "all men" or "all mankind" really only means "all      sorts of men."
5.  "all humans" or "all men" of "all mankind" really means all      mankind but that it just means God wants to protect them from      starvation etc.


    I have seen all these arguments from those who bewlieve in eternal torment. Everyone of these believers agreed with all the above 5 points. But a close examination shows that they cannot all be correct.

    They have to make up their minds. Either it really does mean "all mankind" or it just means "all sorts of men." God either wants to protect just "all sorts of men" especially believers from hunger and nakedness etc. or He wants to protect all mankind especially beleivers from hunger and starvation etc.

    Why is it that God will have all humans to be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth? The answer is in verse 5 and 6. By using the word "For" Paul is making his case and giving the reason why it is that God will have all humans to be saved.


1.  There is one God.
2.  There is one mediator between God and man.
3.  Christ Jesus gave Himself a ransom for all [humans].

1.  Since there is just one God there are no opposing gods who can thwart God's will in the matter.
2.  Since Christ Jesus, gave himself as the ransom for all mankind is also the mediator between God and man, He will mediate as the One Who died for the sins of all mankind. The effect of this mediation can only bring about positive results.
3.  Since Christ Jesus gave himself the ransom for all mankind, all mankind have been loosed from bondage to sin and death and, based upon that, God will save all mankind.


    This shows a very definite eschatalogical salvation and not a namby pamby, weak willed, wet noodley type of "I really want to help you humans but you just keep Me from doing what I really want to do" type of theology.

    If the verses in question mean that God will just save all sorts of men, this is akin to dishonesty. This is like a court ordering a man to bring before the court all the documents from his office. The man goes to his office and says "Well they want ALL the files so I will just randomly take one file from each sort of one they want." He goes back to court and presents the judge with all the evidence he thought he could get away with. The judge however is not stupid and notices major gaps in evidence and asks him what happened to all the other files. Well, the man says, You said you wanted all the files so I thought I would make it fair and randomly pick a file from each sort whether or not is was good for my case or against it and you would have a fair sampling. Of course we all know what the judge would say to that! Thanks to Tom Talbott in his book: "The Inescapable Love of God" for that bit of wisdom!

    Do you think God will do any less in getting all He says He will have than what the judge would? Please don't say this is apples and oranges.

    Fact is that "God will have all humans to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth."

    If God is just the provider and sustainer of all humans especially of believers then He sure has done a bang-up job. Millions starve to death each year and millions die being exposed to the elements. thousands if not millions of babies die after being born. In effect this makes God no saviour either eschatologically nor the whimpy watered down version of 'soter'.

"God is the Saviour of all mankind [literally: all humans]"

Got it?

Tony Nungesser - Saviour of All Fellowship


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ww,

examine yourself to see if Christ be in you. 2 Cor 13:5.

All yes, the song of "Hosea 4:6" for the ones truly saved on this forum.
All yes, the song of "John 8:42-47" for the ones who are truly lost.

lookingup,

thanks for your prayers. you can't qoute all the scriptures you want, but if you do not have true revelation of them, they wind up destroying the very one that mis-interprets them.( 2 Peter 3:16)

lee100

Like i said, if the god you promote is the true god, and he is this pyschopath that be, i have no desire to worship such a monster and would be content not to be in his presence.

    May the true God open your mind and ears

Lee100,

I have to agree with LookingUp,

If God is the God you make him out to be, then I don't want anything to do with Him, and I shall go to Hell for it. Luckily though, HE ISN'T, and He is ALL LOVING, and I WILLS the salvation of ALL men. Nothing will stop Him. Period.

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 08:21:49 PM
Hey my UR pals,

Without me here giving the light of truth in God's word, all you guys would do is form a circle, hold hands and sing "Kum by ya".

Please... answer some MEAT replies to you first, ...using SCRIPTURE to establish your viewpoints, then we might consider some of your presentations...

The truth in part surfaces... this is all about Lee and his SELF-AGRANDIZING -- "without ...ME..."  

If you truly represented JESUS, you would be crediting HIM and HIS WORD, not YOURSELF!  :thumbdown:  And the "news" you would be bearing would be GOOD NEWS (which is what the word "GOSPEL" means), ...however, you credit YOURSELF, and the "NEWS" you bring, is NOT "GOOD".

That you fail in these PERTINENT and PIVOTAL categories, identifies who you ARE, and what AGENDA you emerge FROM...  :sigh:

JESUS spoke of your kind in Matt 7:22-23 -- "did not WE [or in your case ME] not PROPHESY in Thy name?

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 08:21:49 PMWhen the light of truth shines... the ones who are not of God, reach  for the turn off switch. (John 8:42-47) Those who are of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.( John 8:47) Woooow. Powerful words from the Master.

Yes they are, and if you were truly sent of God, ...YOU would ALWAYS seek to unplug your ears and LISTEN, ...you indicate by your own fallacies, who you ARE... and who you ARE NOT from...  :laughing7:

The prophet Jeremiah also spoke of you Lee100:

Jer 29:9 -- for they ["they" as in "you"] PROPHESY FALSELY unto you IN MY name... I have NOT sent them saith YHVH

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 08:21:49 PMBTW, none of you can stand in front of Jesus on judgment day and claim ignorance or that you were deceived.

We won't have to... we KNOW the truth!  :laughing7: ...you are too easy!  :pointlaugh:

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 08:21:49 PMHe will point to these threads that clearly have given you the truth. You willfully deny and reject that truth given. Just sayin.

Yes he WILL point to these threads, but the opposite is true... you came here, with plugged up ears, and have PURPOSED, in the presence of TRUTH, not to remove those plugs... WILLFULLY not hearing the voice of the Master... you ol' goat!  :laughing7:

Are you one of the "feinting" ones (like Fine Linen noted on YouTube)?   :LH:

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 08:21:49 PM
Hey my UR pals,

Without me here giving the light of truth in God's word, all you guys would do is form a circle, hold hands and sing "Kum by ya".

You can't even get "Kumbaya" (also spelled Kum Ba Yah) correct.

lee100, when are you going to start being obedient to Christ?

He tells us to charge and teach that "God will have all mankind to be saved . . . for Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" and that "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially them that believe" (1 Timothy 2:4-6; 4:10,11).

You teach just the opposite.
You teach that "God will not have all mankind to be saved" and teach that "God is not the Saviour of all mankind, just believers."

It might be possible that Jesus is your Saviour but surely not your Lord. For if He were your Lord you would do what He tells you to do.

Shame on you lee100!
Shame!

I don't mind being part of that singing circle at all...

:grouppray:

Kumbaya (which means "come by here")  
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya (come by here)

Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbayah (come by here)

Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya (come by here)

Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya (come by here)

Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya (come by here)

Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
LeeCog100's sleeping, lord, kumbaya
LeeCog100's sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya (come by here)
Oh lord, kumbaya (come by here)

Peace,
sparrow

sparrow,

sing that Hosea 4:6 or John 8: 42-47 song.

Lee100,

The disgust of religious pride disguised as humility is oozing off of you right now. Don't you know that that is a foul stench before God? You, my friend will be greatly humbled in the power of God. You have come with blinders on and will probably leave with darker shades on than you do now, but remember this, your teaching puts heavy burdens on men while you do not lift a finger to do what you teach. You say you are saved by grace, while sinners are not. The debt has been paid for you, but not for sinners, who you once were. You are welcome to keep banging your head on a brick wall. Sooner or later, somethings going to crack ( and it won't be the wall).

Quote from: Tony N on August 22, 2009, 10:08:38 PM
You can't even get "Kumbaya" (also spelled Kum Ba Yah) correct.

Tony personally I think Yah is the only correct version because Yah is the shorthand (right word??) for the name of Father.

Quote from: lee100 on August 22, 2009, 11:07:46 PM
sparrow,

sing that Hosea 4:6 or John 8: 42-47 song.

:cloud9: I'll sing with my sister Sparrow.........let's see what "song" it is you want us to sing..........

Hosea 4     

4:6
    My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Do you think none of us have studied the OT either? First of all, the obvious. This was spoken to the Israelites, who are a provision of types and shadows for us in their actions and inactions.

So even if you want to include them in this discussion, you are still not understanding the pattern of the tabernacle because this is about not being a PRIEST unto Him, which in spiritual pattern today is written to the spiritual priesthood of those that have come into Pentecost by virtue of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

He said in another place I would that ye were cold (outer court/Passover) or hot (Holy of holies/Tabernacles), but if you are lukewarm (inner court/Pentecost), I will spew you out of my mouth.

See, there's a valley of decision in Pentecost where if you read the last of Hosea 5 and the beginning few verses of Hosea 6, where He is telling those in Pentecost to come boldly to the throne of grace, to press into Him and return, that they might be among the firstfruits to obtain the prize of the mark of the high calling in Christ Jesus. You can't return to a place you've never been before, but that's another topic.

Again; your doctrine does not fit the pattern shown Moses in the mount, and has NOTHING to do with outer court realm of basic salvation. I can shred your doctrines all day long if they don't line up with the Tabernacle, so keep 'em coming. Blessings....

PS. And Father, I thank You for opening Cog/lee's eyes, and for bringing him here in the midst of the brethren.........

Personally, I like Petra's song: God Gave Rock and Roll to You.  :laughing7:

 :cloud9:  :grin: Blessings....

Lee100 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS

Now in this translation, the statement, "a different evangel, which is not another," is both readable and intelligible.  First, the Greek word HETERON, literally means DIFFERENT, and denotes not the same, distinct, unlike.  This clearly reveals, in accord with what we have already learned, that there are "different gospels" in the Scriptures.  Furthermore, Paul marveled that the Galatians were "removed" or transferred to "a different gospel" from that which he had brought to them.  And he also declared that it was "not another" gospel for them!  Now the truth of this statement may be recognized for the reality of what it says when we remember that Christ affirmed that "the Scripture cannot be              ( 'broken' ) annulled" (John 10:35).  This reveals that Scripture MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS, and FOR WHOM IT IS SAID.  Therefore, if a "gospel" which was divinely ordained for one people, is perverted to another, its promises simply cannot be fulfilled.

Consequently, it is "not another" gospel or "good news" for them.  And those to whom it is being preached, becomes both disturbed and deceived.  Now when this "different gospel" while true for the people for whom it was divinely ordained, was perversely forced upon the Galatians, the Uncircumcision, the "gentiles," its promises could not be fulfilled, therefore, their faith was misplaced and nullified! ( Dose this sound like lee100) And on this account Paul doubly emphasized the "curse" or anathema upon the preachers, saying, "though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you        ( Galatians, the Uncircumcision or "gentiles"), than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Gal   1:8-9;2:2,7).    Now the reason for all this defense is as follows.  Paul had gone into Galatia in accord with his divinely ordained commission, bringing the gospel which came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ" (Gal. 1:11-12 ), for which he had been separated (Rom 1:1-5),and which he specifically designated "that gospel which I preach among the gentiles" (Gal 2:2), and "the gospel of the Uncircumcision" ( Gal 2:7) .  Later, Christianized Jewish preachers visited the churches of Galatia and "removed" or transferred the believers from the grace of Christ in which they had been called to "a different Gospel" of faith and works , which was none other than "the gospel of the Circumcision" that was committed unto Peter for the Circumcision ( Gal 2:7-9 ) Consequently, they were urged to be "circumcised"        ( Gal 5: 2-3; 6: 12-13 ), to "observe days, months, seasons and years" ( Gal 4:8-11 ), and to be "zealous for the law" and "live according to the customs of Moses" like as the Jewish believers were demanded by " the gospel of the Circumcision"         Gal 3:1-9; 4:19-21; 6:12-15; Acts 21:19-21.  Therefore, Paul was moved by "a revelation" to go up to Jerusalem and "communicate, " submit or make known to them—James, Peter and John, who are supposed to be pillars—"that gospel which he preached among the gentiles" ( Gal 2:1-10).  At this meeting, those of repute—James, Peter and John—submitted nothing to Paul ! On the contrary, Titus, being a Greek believer through Paul's ministry, was not permitted to be circumcised, and Paul did not simulate or give place by subjection, not even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with us  (Gal 2:1-5 ).  Furthermore, at that meeting, it was clearly revealed that Paul had been entrusted with "the gospel of the Uncircumcision, according as Peter of the Circumcision."  And also, "when James, Cephas ( Peter ) and John, who seemed to be pillars, learned of the grace that was given to Paul, they gave to him and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that they should go unto the "heathen" or nations, and they unto the  circumcision" ( Gal 2:7-9 ).  After this meeting, Paul was moved by the Spirit to write this epistle to the Galatians, that they might be delivered from this disturbance and bondage of the law to which they had been "removed" or transferred from the truth of the gospel of the grace of God, which he had brought them, with its freedom of Sonship through the hearing of faith apart from works of the law

Gal 3: 1-14.  He also was quite vehement in his protest against the preacher, invoking the "curse" or anathema ( which was the ancient custom of devoting a person to an expiatory or atoning sacrifice to the gods in order to avert public calamity), upon any man, even himself or a messenger from heaven, who would bring "ANY OTHER GOSPEL  TO THEM      ( The Galatians, the Uncircumcision or "gentiles")THAN THAT WHICH HE, PAUL HAD PREACHED TO THEM !" What would Paul say to apostate Christendom if he were here today, when, conservatively speaking, seventy-five % of its teachings, beliefs, customs and practices are drawn from the Circumcision gospel and writings, thus "removing" or transferring believers from the grace of Christ, in which they are called, and consequently distorting the gospel of Christ.
   God has clearly and definitely declared that Paul was His chosen vessel to bear His name to the "gentiles" or nations.  He entrusted to him the specific gospel for the nations by a revelation of Jesus Christ  ( Gal 1:12), namely, "the gospel of the Uncircumcision" (Gal 2:7 ).  He was separated and commissioned the apostle, herald and teacher of the nations in knowledge and truth ( Rom 1: 1-5;11:13;15:15-18 ).

And he was also given the glorious revelations of Grace, Justification, Conciliation, Reconciliation, the "mystery" or secret ordained before the "world" or eons for our glory, and the administration of the secret, with the happy expectation and allotment of grace glorious among the celestials in the heavens for believing nations, (peoples).
Yet in spite of all these grand and transcendently glorious truths, of which the Circumcision apostles scarcely dreamed, to say nothing of preaching or teaching them, we find "theology" and the  "religious teaching" of Christendom super-imposing the gospel of the Circumcision, concerning the earthly kingdom and its allotments of terrestrial glory (earth-base), upon these grand revelations for the heavens, revealed through Paul.  Such ministry beclouds, bedims, and befogs the glorious truths of the spiritual blessings which God has so graciously provided and ordained for believers today, in this administration of His Grace !  And, how often we hear the confident, contented, complacent comment, "O we take Paul's writings together with all the other writings of the Bible!  How little those who persist in such lawlessness and unbelief, realize that they are preaching and believing "a different gospel" than that which God had graciously ordained and revealed for them, and are consequently "removed" or Transferred from the Grace of Christ!  And the sad and lamentable part of it all is, that those who receive and believe "another" or "different gospel" then that which God gave Paul for the Uncircumcision or "gentiles, " for this administration of grace, though it be in the Bible, are, nevertheless, misplacing and nullifying their faith, because the promises cannot be fulfilled to them  !  They have been erroneously taught, deceived, lied to and removed from the grace of Christ!  They have "fallen from grace" and "Christ profits them nothing," consequently, "they are debtors to do the WHOLE LAW"  ( Gal. 5:2-6)!
   
   Finally, God has already separated "the gospel of the Uncircumcision" for the "gentiles" or nations from " the gospel of the Circumcision" ( Gal 2: 1-9 ), and placed in it that which cannot be Mixed or Confused with the demands and promises of the " other gospels" of the Scriptures without "frustrating" or (Repudiating His Grace---deny the truth or validity of or/and refuse to accept or be associated with.) ( Gal 2:21) ! This joining together and mixing, misplacing and misapplying demands and promises which God has ordained for one people in another administration, (age ) with the peoples of this administration, (age ) of the secret and the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus today, distorts and perverts the Scriptures.  Consequently, it draws down the " CURSE " or Anathema on the one thus preaching or teaching, even though he be an angel ( messenger ), from heaven!  Therefore, we should give the most earnest consideration and obedient recognition to what God has written, that we may "correctly cut the word of truth" and thus present ourselves to Him qualified, unashamed, approved workers, and receive His blessed applause in that day ( 2 Tim. 2:15;--But a ( Blind man) cant see , until a unveiling happens.)-- 1 Cor. 4:1-5)               The Gospel of OUR Salvation
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Quote from: Tony N on August 23, 2009, 01:00:37 AM
Personally, I like Petra's song: God Gave Rock and Roll to You.  :laughing7:

Yeah, I love that song too :laughing7:  YHWH Love is one of their very very few songs that I'll have to find a copy of the lyrics to simply appreciate it by faith 'cause otherwise, uh....next track please!  I probably like 99.9% of their stuff after John Schlitt took over as lead singer, but there's 3 or 4 songs when it was the other guy as lead singer that I'd of never missed if they'd never recorded that one! roflol

This is quite an arrogant title on this thread.  Extremely arrogant, and you probably just lost the one or two that might of listened to you and backslidden from the revelation of the Kingdom they'd received to go into outer darkness with you where there's weeping and gnashing of teeth.  The light according to St. Paul is the ministry of reconciliation.  There's nothing conciliatory in a doctrine that separates the Lord from His lost sheep, His lost coin (or tithe), and His lost sons.  Read Andrew Murry sometime.  He was a Universalist.  Or John G. Lake.  He was a Universalist.  Or John Wesley.  He was a Universalist.  But according to you, no light there, eh?  For anyone that didn't know Andrew Murray was one too, read "God's Will: Our Dwelling Place" and I'm thinking it's either chapter 21 or chapter 23 that's plainly called "The Salvation of All." 

He understood the types and shadows in Moses Tabernacle that Cardinal's said in a post or two around here today, so how could he not be one?  I'm not as strong in the Old Testament as Cardinal and some of the other folks are around here, [though I'm playing catch up ASAP with reading it a gajillion times RIGHT NOW, and sure enough... :laughing7: I always planned on it once I felt like I'd genuinely mastered the New Testament,] but I know plenty of authors, like Andrew Murry, that have been very mighty in their understanding of both Testaments, and that were really powerful type/shadow teachers and they came to UR conclusions at some point in their life, whether they were authors for a popular audience like William Barclay, Andrew Murray, and Andrew Jukes, or theologians like Jakob Jocz, Karl Barth, Marvin Vincent, Farrar, etc.  (Though I realize that all of the names I just mentioned aren't all really great Old Testament scholars, i.e. some better than others.)

If you are able to read graduate school theology, then look up a book called "The Covenant: A Theology of Human Destiny" that's written by a Canadian theologian by the name of Jakob Jocz.  Brilliant, brilliant in the Old Testament, but not one of the five and dime authors.  I only point to the multitude of authors so that you can deal with more systematic presentations than anyone appears to have patience enough to give you here.  You, lee, and cog37 came in with such horrible attitudes that nobody's really had the patience or the desire to mess with you 'cause your heart's been worse than an infidel when it comes to seeking Him with all of your heart.  I could "out" so many members of the Body of Christ right now that are well known ministers in Calvinist and Arminian circles and Calvi-Armini circles as Charles Slagle would deem as a 4th category of Christian perspectives on these things. 

I could "out" so many right now of leading pastors, theologians, television ministries, etc., that everyone would genuinely be shocked here at who has spoken with me, Gary Amirault, Harold Lovelace, etc., sometimes as Nicodemus sneaking around in the middle of the night with their emails, but I don't want to interfere with what the Holy Spirit is doing and I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable about continuing to study the Scriptures with us, asking us questions, and for prayer support, etc.  But such a significant part of the Body of Christ at the leadership level is likely going public over the next dozen years with being very outspokenly UR.  And I don't want to touch the Ark on what God's doing by premature announcements and cause His next big move to drop dead by getting folks prematurely chatty about it. 

You never want to betray a confidence, both from the standpoint of Biblical honor, and gentlemanly/lady-like taste and refinement, but most particularly be protective of the Mysteries of God with what He's doing in whom.  But the truth is genuinely out there of Jesus Christ the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe; that He's the ransom for all men, and that testimony is being given at this due time/season, et. al.  Kathryn Kuhlman even left a video with a trust fund that was only to be played when the tribulation started, and it goes into the Universal Restoration in talking about God's redemptive judgments.  All of the folks that she ever prophesied to that they'd be a part of the greatest move of God in history are all Universalists now -- all of 'em!

What's always cute to me is to watch TBN and hear Mark Chironna, Kim Clement, Lance Wallnau, Paula White, and A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHERS fairly proud of their affiliation with Bishop Jim Swilley.  Now, last time I checked, Bishop Swilley's a broken record about the Universal Restoration at the Church In The Now website via the writings of that website and the archived video sermons on that website in front of the Church with it being obvious that he was addressing his crowd about that! If Carlton Pearson hadn't gone enormously liberal politically and in his views of Scripture, that would be like Bishop T.D. Jakes and others being enormously proud to have him on their resume!  T.D. Jakes still gives honor to whom honor is due, publicly, in how those doors were opened to him for a much bigger ministry, but that's the extent of his homage. That's not what I'm talking about right here.  I'm talking about excitement about the things taught by Bishop Swilley regarding the Kingdom of God.  Last time I checked the "Church In The Now" website, it was as UR as this website, the Saviour of all Fellowship's website, Concordant Publishing Concern's website, etc.  I could easily replace half of my normal TBN viewing time, when I'm in seasons of watching television at all, with the "Church In The Now" website and those archived video sermons on there. 

I won't say who, but regulars here that read most of my posts would know who I'm talking about, but I'd prefer not to specify who, but I have zero doubts that my own spiritual father has fooled around with it in the Scriptures enough times over the years to where he's finally slipped on that slippery slope in the Scriptures into the well of infinite grace as well.  Can't get into how I know even via PMs.  The Church I attend for the time being, which is sorta a mid-sized Charismatic Church in Fort Worth, Texas, is being transitioned by the Holy Spirit into a UR Church.  I'm very recently "fully out" to the leadership about UR and they're picking the spirit of my mind every chance they get with questions, and one of 'em recently accepted from me 4 books on UR, including Charlie Slagle's book, as well as a copy of Hope Beyond Hell that I passed along to him in that little collection of stuff.  Harold Lovelace's book and Bob Evely's book as well.

Anyone that's not aware of how massively the mainstream Church, particularly the Charismatic Church, is transitioning into UR, is simply sooo far out of touch with the pulse of the Holy Spirit that it's ridiculous.  I could testify for hours about stuff I'm aware of that's more out in the open where there are witnesses to verify, presently, about a lot of folks that are minimally publicly mocking ET, etc.  Creflo Dollar, Jr., is one of the ones that I heard mocking ET for a solid week in one convention to where I was wondering if next message was going to be a full public presentation of the Universal Restoration, but obviously folks are still chewing on stuff and weighing carefully their words thru the Holy Spirit for how to dismantle the ET lie and bring the rest of the promised move of God that heals the nations, empties hospitals, et. al., as the Holy Spirit was promising the entirety of the 20th century thru various prophetic voices in the Body of Christ.

 :cloud9: Amen Martin, they are coming in because God is RESTORING that which was lost from the 1st century understanding. Blessings.....

Quote from: martincisneros on August 23, 2009, 03:27:08 AM
This is quite an arrogant title on this thread.  Extremely arrogant, and you probably just lost the one or two that might of listened to you and backslidden from the revelation of the Kingdom they'd received to go into outer darkness with you where there's weeping and gnashing of teeth.  The light according to St. Paul is the ministry of reconciliation.  There's nothing conciliatory in a doctrine that separates the Lord from His lost sheep, His lost coin (or tithe), and His lost sons.  Read Andrew Murry sometime.  He was a Universalist.  Or John G. Lake.  He was a Universalist.  Or John Wesley.  He was a Universalist.  But according to you, no light there, eh?  For anyone that didn't know Andrew Murray was one too, read "God's Will: Our Dwelling Place" and I'm thinking it's either chapter 21 or chapter 23 that's plainly called "The Salvation of All." 

He understood the types and shadows in Moses Tabernacle that Cardinal's said in a post or two around here today, so how could he not be one?  I'm not as strong in the Old Testament as Cardinal and some of the other folks are around here, [though I'm playing catch up ASAP with reading it a gajillion times RIGHT NOW, and sure enough... :laughing7: I always planned on it once I felt like I'd genuinely mastered the New Testament,] but I know plenty of authors, like Andrew Murry, that have been very mighty in their understanding of both Testaments, and that were really powerful type/shadow teachers and they came to UR conclusions at some point in their life, whether they were authors for a popular audience like William Barclay, Andrew Murray, and Andrew Jukes, or theologians like Jakob Jocz, Karl Barth, Marvin Vincent, Farrar, etc.  (Though I realize that all of the names I just mentioned aren't all really great Old Testament scholars, i.e. some better than others.)

If you are able to read graduate school theology, then look up a book called "The Covenant: A Theology of Human Destiny" that's written by a Canadian theologian by the name of Jakob Jocz.  Brilliant, brilliant in the Old Testament, but not one of the five and dime authors.  I only point to the multitude of authors so that you can deal with more systematic presentations than anyone appears to have patience enough to give you here.  You, lee, and cog37 came in with such horrible attitudes that nobody's really had the patience or the desire to mess with you 'cause your heart's been worse than an infidel when it comes to seeking Him with all of your heart.  I could "out" so many members of the Body of Christ right now that are well known ministers in Calvinist and Arminian circles and Calvi-Armini circles as Charles Slagle would deem as a 4th category of Christian perspectives on these things. 

I could "out" so many right now of leading pastors, theologians, television ministries, etc., that everyone would genuinely be shocked here at who has spoken with me, Gary Amirault, Harold Lovelace, etc., sometimes as Nicodemus sneaking around in the middle of the night with their emails, but I don't want to interfere with what the Holy Spirit is doing and I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable about continuing to study the Scriptures with us, asking us questions, and for prayer support, etc.  But such a significant part of the Body of Christ at the leadership level is likely going public over the next dozen years with being very outspokenly UR.  And I don't want to touch the Ark on what God's doing by premature announcements and cause His next big move to drop dead by getting folks prematurely chatty about it. 

You never want to betray a confidence, both from the standpoint of Biblical honor, and gentlemanly/lady-like taste and refinement, but most particularly be protective of the Mysteries of God with what He's doing in whom.  But the truth is genuinely out there of Jesus Christ the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe; that He's the ransom for all men, and that testimony is being given at this due time/season, et. al.  Kathryn Kuhlman even left a video with a trust fund that was only to be played when the tribulation started, and it goes into the Universal Restoration in talking about God's redemptive judgments.  All of the folks that she ever prophesied to that they'd be a part of the greatest move of God in history are all Universalists now -- all of 'em!

What's always cute to me is to watch TBN and hear Mark Chironna, Kim Clement, Lance Wallnau, Paula White, and A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHERS fairly proud of their affiliation with Bishop Jim Swilley.  Now, last time I checked, Bishop Swilley's a broken record about the Universal Restoration at the Church In The Now website via the writings of that website and the archived video sermons on that website in front of the Church with it being obvious that he was addressing his crowd about that! If Carlton Pearson hadn't gone enormously liberal politically and in his views of Scripture, that would be like Bishop T.D. Jakes and others being enormously proud to have him on their resume!  T.D. Jakes still gives honor to whom honor is due, publicly, in how those doors were opened to him for a much bigger ministry, but that's the extent of his homage. That's not what I'm talking about right here.  I'm talking about excitement about the things taught by Bishop Swilley regarding the Kingdom of God.  Last time I checked the "Church In The Now" website, it was as UR as this website, the Saviour of all Fellowship's website, Concordant Publishing Concern's website, etc.  I could easily replace half of my normal TBN viewing time, when I'm in seasons of watching television at all, with the "Church In The Now" website and those archived video sermons on there. 

I won't say who, but regulars here that read most of my posts would know who I'm talking about, but I'd prefer not to specify who, but I have zero doubts that my own spiritual father has fooled around with it in the Scriptures enough times over the years to where he's finally slipped on that slippery slope in the Scriptures into the well of infinite grace as well.  Can't get into how I know even via PMs.  The Church I attend for the time being, which is sorta a mid-sized Charismatic Church in Fort Worth, Texas, is being transitioned by the Holy Spirit into a UR Church.  I'm very recently "fully out" to the leadership about UR and they're picking the spirit of my mind every chance they get with questions, and one of 'em recently accepted from me 4 books on UR, including Charlie Slagle's book, as well as a copy of Hope Beyond Hell that I passed along to him in that little collection of stuff.  Harold Lovelace's book and Bob Evely's book as well.

Anyone that's not aware of how massively the mainstream Church, particularly the Charismatic Church, is transitioning into UR, is simply sooo far out of touch with the pulse of the Holy Spirit that it's ridiculous.  I could testify for hours about stuff I'm aware of that's more out in the open where there are witnesses to verify, presently, about a lot of folks that are minimally publicly mocking ET, etc.  Creflo Dollar, Jr., is one of the ones that I heard mocking ET for a solid week in one convention to where I was wondering if next message was going to be a full public presentation of the Universal Restoration, but obviously folks are still chewing on stuff and weighing carefully their words thru the Holy Spirit for how to dismantle the ET lie and bring the rest of the promised move of God that heals the nations, empties hospitals, et. al., as the Holy Spirit was promising the entirety of the 20th century thru various prophetic voices in the Body of Christ.

LOL That cracked me up! But seriously, I really liked your post!  :thumbsup: Now I wanna look up some of these people to see their views...

How perverted can you get?!! Someone torturing you as much as possible with no let up and no hope of release whispering all the time in your ear, "I love you. I love you. I love you." Somebody should just shoot the sicko!!!

Maybe you just forgot.  You're being changed into the same image!  "Be a doer and not a hearer only..."  Get going on imitating your God.  You like this worse than any devil, Ultimate Evil, double-minded, "say-one-thing-do-another" Master Torturer!  A serial killer is better, because his victims can escape through death.  Your God keeps them alive for ceaseless torture for ever.  Delecto carborundum lasted from 1401 for about two hundred years in England, less than the rest of Europe. I hope you don't plan on bringing back the "burn at the stake" junk any time soon. We've got enough anti-christs planning decapitation already. (Of course, not being "eternal torture" Christians, they may have a more humane way of eliminating those who call thier doctrine into question.)

I suggest the practices based on this belief are a significant part of why that fake Christian religion was not allowed to continue with what is now called "secular" authority. The saints will rule in all the earth; however, I assure you they will rule with blessing. Even the rod of iron to break the nations into shivers like a clay pot is to make them smaller multiple states. I'm sure the "negative" sanctions will be rare due to the sheer glory and goodness of the Lord that will be manifest.  The Great Tribulation that is coming is brought by the Presence of God in the saints to remove the wicked from His kingdom. (cp., 1 Th 7-10)  "When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe..." (vs.10) "the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (vs.7-8)

Quote from: martincisneros on August 23, 2009, 03:03:27 AM
YHWH Love is one of their very very few songs that I'll have to find a copy of the lyrics to simply appreciate it by faith

I hear music coming from heaven
Singing a new song in my direction
I hear the melody, heavenly symphony
Feelings coming over me
Sets me spirit free
I feel like I've been born all over again
Like a songbird in the canyon
It echoes in my mind
Taking me farther from the memories of things I left behind
And it's taken me so long to hear
The music playing softly
Softly in my ear
Yahweh love, Yahweh love, Yahweh love
Yahweh love Yahweh love, Yahweh
Yahweh love, Yahweh love, Yahweh love
Yahweh love Yahweh love, Yahweh
I see a sign on every corner leading me astray
I hear a thousand voices calling for me to walk away
When I listen closely I can hear
the music playing softly
Softly in my ear

Quote from: martincisneros on August 23, 2009, 03:03:27 AM

Quote from: Tony N on August 23, 2009, 01:00:37 AM
Personally, I like Petra's song: God Gave Rock and Roll to You.  :laughing7:

Yeah, I love that song too :

I always assumed Genesis was your fav band :Chinscratch:

QuoteWithout me here giving the light of truth in God's word, all you guys would do is form a circle, hold hands and sing "Kum by ya".

what would be wrong with doing so? - have you come to that place only to disturb the peace here?

why is your truth truer than the pope's truth or the million others truths, who claim to have the truth?

you have your own opinion which is different from mine, that is ok for me, I see no longer a reason to debate universalism, I posted somewhere a discussion from me with an annihilationist where I defended universalism, others wrote on the subject also.