Having a wobble about age-during life

[MVincent]

One of the things I understand about UR is that there was a mistranslation of Greek to English and we ended up with the word eternal in relation to torment. 

I have just been on a short study on John's gospel.   There are many times when the word eternal is used, but when I look at the verse in the YLT it is translated as "age-during".

So, John 3: 16  is age-during life (which I think I asked questions about before), but there are others, including in Jesus' prayer in Gethsemane:

[indent]NIV: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." [/indent]

[indent]YLT: Father, the hour hath come, glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee,
2 according as Thou didst give to him authority over all flesh, that -- all that Thou hast given to him -- he may give to them life age-during;
3 and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ;  [/indent]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=NIV;NRSVA;YLT

There is also the passage in 1 John 5:  "Our testimony is this: God has given us eternal life and this life has its source in His Son ...."

The concept of the eternal nature of life in God is so ingrained, so fundamental.

Do we lose something of this by removing eternal from this passages?

Thanks,

Mike

[jedi1989]

Martin Zender made a couple of cool videos about this.
:LH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnzRBj9_Yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDsurwJM8Pc

[lastpost]

A difficulty which presents itself to some used to the traditional use of aionios is this: If the word aionios does not mean "everlasting" or "eternal" in regard to punishment, then neither does it in regard to reward and blessedness; seeing that the same word is used in reference to righteousness - "The righteous shall go into an age-long life".

What basis do we have for a belief in everlasting life, if in this and similar passages in the New Testament only an Aeonial or age-long life is promised?

Our Saviour Christ promised His followers' a blessed life throughout the Aeon if they should keep His saying and His word (they would "never see death"), and the writers of the Epistles in their constant reference to the same thing, were educating us as to the great Era or Epoch described by St Paul in Ephesians 3:21: "...the Aeon of the Aeons" (but which rarely receives a correct translation).

Note: The earliest Christians who came immediately after the earthly sojourn of Christ, said in the first recorded creed (not the "Apostles' Creed", so named, which was not formed until between 250 A.D. and 350 A.D. in its earliest form): "I believe in the Aeonian life" which was shortly revised to "I believe in the life of the coming Aeon". "Endless punishment" or "everlasting punishment" simply do not get mentioned. This is because the early Christians - the Christians who were closest to the Cause of the Christian Religion, Jesus Christ - were Universalists, as was the Saviour Himself. This Universalism was prevalent amongst Greek-speaking Christians until, in the sixth century, the stern hierarchical Roman influence and language had helped to fully corrupt the original beautiful and sweet Christian thought. Indeed, before this, from Clement of Alexandria and onwards for three hundred years, Universal Restoration was taught.

Paraphrasing the Reverend Arthur Chambers:

"This is a particular Aeon, the great Aeon, the consummating Age of all the ages, the Age whose closing shall see the fulfilment of God's 'Purpose of the Aeons' - τῶν αἰώνων ἣν ἐποίησεν - (Eph.3:11), i.e. 'the Restitution of all things.' It will be an Aeon of blessedness and perfected being and life to those in affinity with Christ. "I give unto them this Aeonial  life" said He.

But this Aeon of blessedness and perfected life for the righteous will include its epochs of pruning and disciplining. Though it will be a terminable period, it will be a vast one, as indicated by Paul's words: 'all the generations of the Aeon of aeons' or '...aeons of the Aeon' - which the traditionalist translators give as 'all ages, world without end' (Eph.3:21); and Christ spoke of 'Aeonial death' and 'Aeonial pruning', indicating an ongoing process of painful soul-purification for those who are dead spiritually, contrasted with living the Christ-Life and progressing spiritually with Christ. This great Aeon will close only when the Purpose of God in Christ shall have been accomplished; when the epochs of pruning and death shall have passed away, and the 'lost' and 'dead' beings shall have been found and made alive to God.

To those who pass into that great Aeon, identified with Christ, it will mean an Aeon of enhanced and superabundant life; a life which will place the participators of it beyond the reach of Aeonial pruning or Aeonial 'death'. That is what our Lord meant when He said: 'If a man keep My word, he shall not see death all through the Aeon' - εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα - (John 8:51).

It may be asked: "If that great Aeon will close, will not the life and blessedness of that Aeon also come to an end?" No, that cannot be. Like a mighty river which has gathered the waters from the smaller streams and brooks, and then charges itself into the great ocean, so the 'Aeon of Aeons (Eph.3:21)' will merge into Eternity; and the life pertaining to that Aeon - because it is from Perfection Himself, because it is God-life and Christ-life - will last for ever.

The great Aeon of Christ Jesus' Purpose shall finally achieve its fulfilment and to Christ's satisfaction (Isaiah 53:11), '...when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father' (1 Cor. 15:24), thus in 'the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ (Eph.1:10)'.

We do not base our immortality upon the promise of the Aeonial life (as grand as that promise is); but upon the fact that linked to Him we are linked to God. 'Because I live,' said Jesus, 'you shall live also' (John 14:19).

What has been said will be sufficient to show how superficial is the argument, that, in rejecting 'everlasting' as the translation of the word aionios we demolish not only the awful doctrine of everlasting loss and misery, but also that of everlasting life and blessedness."

Peace.

[sheila]

well,I look at it different than most here..regarding ages etc.

   He come that we have life more abundantly now[this age/generation] and eternal life in the age to come.


    a generation is those of like age of descent.   He speaks in the scriptures of being Holy amongst a wicked and perverse

   genearation..    the ages..is the order of descent[for the rising and falling of many on the son of man]each in His

  order...or successive genearation sown in the midst of this evil exercize.


    remnants are those of a generation that are preserved in a genertion or taken out of a certaain age..for the express

  purpose of seeding a succesive generation in the next age.....descendants....who will speak of His descendants?


   thus, I reckon an age...as a generation..in the feild of this world of good/evil/wheat/tares...with sucessive

   sowings[rise and fall of many in Israel]  angels ascending and descending on the son of man


   a thousand generations  Deut 5;10  but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commands

    thus the thousand year reign of Christ..the ruling of Him in the midst of His enemies


    their descendants will be known among the nations....the Year of the Lord's favour.....Isaaih 61...a planting of the Lord

for the display of His splendour.............thus the good seed sown in the feild...and wickedness sown of the enemy in the night


       For s the soil makes the sprout come up,and a garden causes seeds to grow,so the Sovereign Lord will make

  righteousness and praise spring up before all nations..[see servant/sprout]


  Gen 2;4-5 this is the account of the heavens and earth when they were created.When the Lord God made the earth

and heavens-and no shrub of the feildl had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the feildl had yet sprung up,for the

  Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth AND THERE WAS NO MAN TO WORK THE GROUND


   generation= descendants of a certain age.


   thus..the end of the 1000 yr[generations] reign..of Christ...ends with the resurrection of the rightous and wicked...the final

sowing of good/evil in the earth....and at last the placing of all enemies under His feet[wicked generations sown/offspring]


  the end of the long great age[good/evil] ends and the immortal/eternal state arrives...no more death or mourning

or crying or pain..for the old order[good/evil mix ]of things has passed away.   Heaven and erth may pass away[ggod/evil]

but  my words will never pass away.  Mt 5;18  I tell you the truth,until heaven and earth disappear,not the smallest

letter,nor the least stroke of a pen,will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

   as long as the age of good/evil mix..or law/tokogae...the law of sowing and reaping continues..for the law was written

for the lawless ones or the evil generation..to condemn this as a perverse generation.


   it has been appointed for all men to die once...and then the judgement[law..good/evil done in flesh]  Christ as the

saviour of all men..stands as an advocate and the book of life...and calls each forth by a new name.......no more marred

image...the spirits of just men made perfect


   You see...only God is good....and even the tokogae of which all men have been partakers[good/evil mix law/judgement

has the seed of God in it.   God saw all that He had made and it was very good....


   and though the tokogae be cut down....yet a sprout come forth from the stumpof Jesse...of the tree of life.....of the TOL

for God/good is in the tree also...a planting of the LORD...and the seed of perfection dwells in it[you must be perfect

  Isih 6;13  but as the terebnth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the Holy seed will be the stump

  in the land.]

     1 Peter 4;19   So then,those who suffer[evil] according to God's will,should commit themselves to their

  faithful creator and continue to do good...

[lastpost]

There are many times when the word eternal is used, but when I look at the verse in the YLT it is translated as "age-during". Continued...

When the truth is looked at with honesty, the Traditionalists base their salvation upon this word "aionios" (although they do not realise this and would claim otherwise) because they draw their theory of salvation whilst regarding this word to mean 'everlasting without end' - and therefore in their minds one either passes one way to Hell from which there is no return, or alternatively, the other 'direction' - and this either direction being based upon a belief: believe the idea on offer or be damned everlastingly without end, no less.

For if this word literally signifies "everlasting", then most good people are doomed for ever to a hideous "punishment" and that is an erroneous, immoral and disgusting belief. But if this word is considered to mean what it signified to those of Christ's earthly sojourn, when it is used scores of times in the New Testament to describe passing things, then we may truly begin to enter into understanding the Love and Foresight of God.

We would truly need a pity which is Divine, if either the chance for all of God's creatures to live for ever in perfect harmony, joy and love - or for a large portion of good people to be subjected to eternal torment - was based upon a word!...the word "aionios", which is used in the Bible to describe things which have come into being and have gone out of being, such as systems of social and national life, the Aaronic order of priesthood, and the gates of a temple (Psalms 24:7).

The Translators have always overlooked this important difference for two reasons: Firstly, they were without a true understanding of the early Greek usage with its words denoting endlessness and periods of time, and indeed the philosophic meaning of the root of "aionios": "aion", which ultimately is an antithesis of endless time, as it is used to describe certain periods, i.e. the Mosaic era, etc. - something which has a beginning and an end. Secondly, because they have misinterpreted Christ's teaching of Universal Salvation and, through dogmatisation, have assumed salvation to be limited to only a predestined few, due to the overwhelming Roman and non-Christian influences imported into the original beauty of early Christianity.

Those who want to believe in the doctrine of "Eternal Torment" and who have failed to look fairly in any depth into the matter, may perhaps exclaim that "aion" is used in Hebrews 13:8 to describe Christ (thus God), so therefore it does mean "eternal". The word "aion" is conditioned according to the subject to which it refers, and while God has no beginning and no end, Hebrews 13:8 refers to the holy aim of God's very own Christ, the Mission of Christ and the Aeon of aeons through which this Mission will achieve its wonderful goal.

If the writer of Hebrews had wanted to place our focus on the eternity of God, he could have, for instance, used the word used in Romans 1:20, with God as the subject, namely aidios. The writer of Hebrews wanted to place the focus on the Redeemer's "Purpose of the aeons" and His Plan of Redemption! Jesus the Christ is the Saviour – the Saving Redeemer – that is His Purpose and an unchangeable Quality of His Being; He will never fail to save, regardless of how the mind of man attempts to diminish His perfect redeeming power. Thus, yesterday He was the Saviour, today He is the Saviour, and He will also be the Saviour throughout the Aeon when ultimately He shall draw all men to Him (John 12:32) and His Soul will be satisfied after all the yearning and the travail (Isa. 53:11).

It is obvious that Hebrews 13:8 does not mean that He will stop being the Saviour at the Grand Consummation of the Ages, rather it is a concise Biblical statement explaining Christ's position as the Divine Redeemer manifested for God's "Purpose of the aeons (Eph. 3:11)". How significant then, is the proper translation, that Jesus is the "same yesterday, and to-day, and all through the aeons (εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας - Heb.13:8)" The Saviour, Who passed from the Cross into the Spiritual World to preach His Gospel of love and righteousness to fallen souls (1 Pet.3:18-20) – that "same" Saviour will be saving until the last lost soul be found - and this He will be doing without fail all through the aeons.

Thus, our Lord and Saviour wants us to focus our hearts and minds on His Aeon (of aeons) of redemption (and the Christ Mission which works continuously throughout that Aeon) – acknowledging His Divine Plan, when "in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth (Eph. 1:10)".

Should anyone wish to apply this principle throughout the Bible, they will see a truly wonderful new spiritual dimension to the One True God previously withheld from them because of mistranslation and miscomprehension. The Holy Writ will reveal an astonishingly deeper and more meaningful understanding to the great Heart and Mind of God, our Saviour and Redeemer. The Love of God will begin to be seen in something of its true measure! For who can truly love a being with a plan that creates life to subject that life to an everlasting punishment? Only a God Who saves all life from itself can be loved with all the heart.

Indeed, as Christ said, one must become as a child - read the Bible with the heart of a child - only then will it reveal its deeper secrets.

[TomH]

One of the things I understand about UR is that there was a mistranslation of Greek to English and we ended up with the word eternal in relation to torment. 

I have just been on a short study on John's gospel.   There are many times when the word eternal is used, but when I look at the verse in the YLT it is translated as "age-during".

So, John 3: 16  is age-during life (which I think I asked questions about before), but there are others, including in Jesus' prayer in Gethsemane:

[indent]NIV: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." [/indent]

[indent]YLT: Father, the hour hath come, glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee,
2 according as Thou didst give to him authority over all flesh, that -- all that Thou hast given to him -- he may give to them life age-during;
3 and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ;  [/indent]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=NIV;NRSVA;YLT

There is also the passage in 1 John 5:  "Our testimony is this: God has given us eternal life and this life has its source in His Son ...."

The concept of the eternal nature of life in God is so ingrained, so fundamental.

Do we lose something of this by removing eternal from this passages?

Thanks,

Mike

No, brother, we don't lose anything. We will be immortalized meaning we will have life without death. We are only programmed to think about eternity due to incorrect translation.

Words used in common bibles to express the concept of eternity are incorrect translation of variations of the Greek "aion," literally translated "eon," and the corresponding Hebrew "olam," which refer to a period of time not endless time. I'm not a Greek scholar, but I've learned the Greek "aionion," translated as "eternal" in the King James Version, is the adjective of "aion." The adjective of a period of time can not describe endless time despite the fact that some references biased to church doctrine may say so.

Scripture is concerned with the eons, but the eons have a consummation. Death is the last enemy to be abolished before the consummation of the eons. So there will be unending life when we are vivified.

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)

Folks should say "immortality," "eonian life," or "life eonian" (zoen aionion), which is what we're promised, instead of "eternal life," but immortality won't come until Christ returns for believers, who will have "life eonian," and for unbelievers, who will not have "life eonian," at the consummation of the eons when death is abolished. Christ alone has immortality now.

"He is King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!" (1 Timothy 6:15,16)

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory." (1 Corinthians 15:53,54)

I suggest you read the Concordant Version rather than Young's Literal Translation for a more accurate translation of "aionion" as "eonian" rather than "age-during."

Another word translated as "eternal" by the King James Version is "aidios" (Romans 1:20; Jude 1:6), but the Concordant Version translates it "imperceptible."

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

[rjohnson741]

One of the things I understand about UR is that there was a mistranslation of Greek to English and we ended up with the word eternal in relation to torment. 

I have just been on a short study on John's gospel.   There are many times when the word eternal is used, but when I look at the verse in the YLT it is translated as "age-during".

So, John 3: 16  is age-during life (which I think I asked questions about before), but there are others, including in Jesus' prayer in Gethsemane:

[indent]NIV: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." [/indent]

[indent]YLT: Father, the hour hath come, glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee,
2 according as Thou didst give to him authority over all flesh, that -- all that Thou hast given to him -- he may give to them life age-during;
3 and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ;  [/indent]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=NIV;NRSVA;YLT

There is also the passage in 1 John 5:  "Our testimony is this: God has given us eternal life and this life has its source in His Son ...."

The concept of the eternal nature of life in God is so ingrained, so fundamental.

Do we lose something of this by removing eternal from this passages?

Thanks,

Mike

No, brother, we don't lose anything. We will be immortalized meaning we will have life without death. We are only programmed to think about eternity due to incorrect translation.

Words used in common bibles to express the concept of eternity are incorrect translation of variations of the Greek "aion," literally translated "eon," and the corresponding Hebrew "olam," which refer to a period of time not endless time. I'm not a Greek scholar, but I've learned the Greek "aionion," translated as "eternal" in the King James Version, is the adjective of "aion." The adjective of a period of time can not describe endless time despite the fact that some references biased to church doctrine may say so.

Scripture is concerned with the eons, but the eons have a consummation. Death is the last enemy to be abolished before the consummation of the eons. So there will be unending life when we are vivified.

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)

Folks should say "immortality," "eonian life," or "life eonian" (zoen aionion), which is what we're promised, instead of "eternal life," but immortality won't come until Christ returns for believers, who will have "life eonian," and for unbelievers, who will not have "life eonian," at the consummation of the eons when death is abolished. Christ alone has immortality now.

"He is King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!" (1 Timothy 6:15,16)

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory." (1 Corinthians 15:53,54)

I suggest you read the Concordant Version rather than Young's Literal Translation for a more accurate translation of "aionion" as "eonian" rather than "age-during."

Another word translated as "eternal" by the King James Version is "aidios" (Romans 1:20; Jude 1:6), but the Concordant Version translates it "imperceptible."

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

Those are some excellent points you make TomH. Read my thread "The Greek Word Aion" in this forum. I bring up the same points you are making. Thanks for writing this informative and Biblically sound post. Blessings to you.

[TomH]

One of the things I understand about UR is that there was a mistranslation of Greek to English and we ended up with the word eternal in relation to torment. 

I have just been on a short study on John's gospel.   There are many times when the word eternal is used, but when I look at the verse in the YLT it is translated as "age-during".

So, John 3: 16  is age-during life (which I think I asked questions about before), but there are others, including in Jesus' prayer in Gethsemane:

[indent]NIV: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." [/indent]

[indent]YLT: Father, the hour hath come, glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee,
2 according as Thou didst give to him authority over all flesh, that -- all that Thou hast given to him -- he may give to them life age-during;
3 and this is the life age-during, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ;  [/indent]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=NIV;NRSVA;YLT

There is also the passage in 1 John 5:  "Our testimony is this: God has given us eternal life and this life has its source in His Son ...."

The concept of the eternal nature of life in God is so ingrained, so fundamental.

Do we lose something of this by removing eternal from this passages?

Thanks,

Mike

No, brother, we don't lose anything. We will be immortalized meaning we will have life without death. We are only programmed to think about eternity due to incorrect translation.

Words used in common bibles to express the concept of eternity are incorrect translation of variations of the Greek "aion," literally translated "eon," and the corresponding Hebrew "olam," which refer to a period of time not endless time. I'm not a Greek scholar, but I've learned the Greek "aionion," translated as "eternal" in the King James Version, is the adjective of "aion." The adjective of a period of time can not describe endless time despite the fact that some references biased to church doctrine may say so.

Scripture is concerned with the eons, but the eons have a consummation. Death is the last enemy to be abolished before the consummation of the eons. So there will be unending life when we are vivified.

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)

Folks should say "immortality," "eonian life," or "life eonian" (zoen aionion), which is what we're promised, instead of "eternal life," but immortality won't come until Christ returns for believers, who will have "life eonian," and for unbelievers, who will not have "life eonian," at the consummation of the eons when death is abolished. Christ alone has immortality now.

"He is King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, making His home in light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind perceived nor can be perceiving, to Whom be honor and might eonian! Amen!" (1 Timothy 6:15,16)

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory." (1 Corinthians 15:53,54)

I suggest you read the Concordant Version rather than Young's Literal Translation for a more accurate translation of "aionion" as "eonian" rather than "age-during."

Another word translated as "eternal" by the King James Version is "aidios" (Romans 1:20; Jude 1:6), but the Concordant Version translates it "imperceptible."

http://concordant.org/online/index.html

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

Those are some excellent points you make TomH. Read my thread "The Greek Word Aion" in this forum. I bring up the same points you are making. Thanks for writing this informative and Biblically sound post. Blessings to you.

God bless you too, brother. I'm going to read your post right now.