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The early theological schools

Started by eternal sanctum, November 25, 2007, 07:58:14 PM

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eternal sanctum

Hey all,
I am once again involved in debate on another forum (the same one as before) and I posted about the 6 known early theological schools. I cited Wikipedia and another Universalist site as my source but for some reason, even though this seems to be historically sound and accurate, those reading will not accept that these schools even existed. They say I need to post at least 3 non-biased (aka non-Universalist) sources that say these schools existed. The Herzog Encyclopedia Of Religious Knowledge apparently ins't enough for them. Anyone have any ideas on where I can find some non-Universalist links that would show some historical facts about these schools as evidence? It is much appreciated.



eternal sanctum

I know it's only because they can not refute other strong and sound doctrine but there are a couple supposed historians on that other site really trying to tear me up and discredit me based on this one single issue. Any help at all in finding more sources for these people to view?

Hennessey

ES, Finelinen posts much in this vein and he has always been exceedingly helpful to me. I bet he has just that which you need and maybe you could PM him.

Blessings and I hope you might post that which you find,

Jack

firstborn888

Okay, we need some help here folks. I'm telling people all the time that UR thought dominated the first 500 years of the church. Is there verification beyond what Norm stated?
- byron

FineLinen

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Quote from: eternal sanctum on November 25, 2007, 07:58:14 PM
Hey all,
I am once again involved in debate on another forum (the same one as before) and I posted about the 6 known early theological schools. I cited Wikipedia and another Universalist site as my source but for some reason, even though this seems to be historically sound and accurate, those reading will not accept that these schools even existed. They say I need to post at least 3 non-biased (aka non-Universalist) sources that say these schools existed. The Herzog Encyclopedia Of Religious Knowledge apparently ins't enough for them. Anyone have any ideas on where I can find some non-Universalist links that would show some historical facts about these schools as evidence? It is much appreciated.




My friend: if Schaff-Hertzog is not accepted, two or three other sources will not be either. Further:  there is zero information that would indicate either Philip Schaff or Johann Herzog believed in, or leaned to, the restitution of all things. If so, I would most certainly appreciate the information (not that it would change the scholarship).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schaff-Herzog_Encyclopedia_of_Religious_Knowledge

Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia Of Religious Knowledge

http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc13/htm/TOC.htm

Universalism: The Majority Belief Of The Early Church

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc12/Page_96.html

"Under the instruction of these great teachers many other theologians believed in universal salvation; and indeed the whole Eastern Church until after 500 A.D. were inclined to it."

"In the West this doctrine had fewer adherents and was never accepted by the Church at large. In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six known theological schools, of which four (Alexandria , Antioch, Cæsarea, and Edessa or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is unknown. Doederlein says that "In proportion as any man was eminent in learning in Christian antiquity, the more did he cherish and defend the hope of the termination of future torments." In the dark ages Universalism almost disappeared, but in the ninth century it had one great representative, John Scotus Erigena (see Scotus Erigena, Johannes), who was the chief Christian luminary of his time. In the Middle Ages, some of the lesser mystics and probably Johann Tauler and Jan van Ruysbroeck (qq.v.), and one leading scholastic, Albertus Magnus (q.v.), were Universalists. In the times of the Reformation Universalists were found among Anabaptists, Lollards, and Protestant mystics; and later there were increasing numbers of individual believers in this doctrine in all northern European countries, including such men as Kant, Schleiermacher, Ritschl and many of his followers, Archbishop Tillotson, Tennyson, the Brownings, Wordsworth, and Coleridge.


Who Was Rev. Philip Schaff D.D.?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2065/is_n1_v47/ai_16420083/pg_1

Career of the man whom theologians regarded as one of the greatest teachers on Church History

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F03E5DC173EEF33A25752C2A9669D94629ED7CF

Who Was Johann J. Hertzog

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9040271/Johann-Jakob-Herzog

Universalism: The Prevailing Doctrine

HERE

QuoteNot only are copious citations given from the ancient Universalists themselves, but abstracts and compendiums of their opinions, and testimonials as to their scholarship and saintliness, are presented from the most eminent authors who have written of them. No equal number of the church's early saints has ever received such glowing eulogies from so many scholars and critics as the ancient Universalists have extorted from such authors as Socrates, Neander, Mosheim, Huet, Dorner, Dietelmaier, Beecher, Schaff, Plumptre, Bigg, Farrar, Bunsen, Cave, Westcott, Robertson, Butler, Allen, De Pressense, Gieseler, Lardner, Hagenbach, Blunt, and others, not professed Universalists.
Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?