Biblical support for UR requires belief in Bible accuracy?

[marie glen]

Or so it seems logical to me..

If as man's word claims humans had been upon Earth for about 200,000 years, well, it seems many have pointed out there should be the dead much much more prevalent than they are.. archaeology sites should be swamped with human mortal remains.

Some good info -

God's Word or man's?
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/how-does-mans-history-fit-with-the-biblical-timeline/

Creation   4004 BC
Curse   4004 BC (Day 10 after creation)
Global Flood   2348 BC
Tower Babel   2242 BC
Egypt began   After 2242 BC but prior to Abraham going to Egypt (Genesis 12)
Call of Abraham   1922 BC
Ice Age peak   1848 BC (500 years after the Flood)
Time of the Judges (Moses was first)   1491 BC (God appearing to Moses in the burning bush)
Time of the Kings (Saul was the first)   1095 BC
Split kingdom   975 BC
Christ was born   ~4 BC

Another very good history link:
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-history/in-the-days-of-peleg/

I began this search curious as to how many people have lived..

It was ML's question about "what next?" Or after we rise what will life be like..

I've come to think there are two ages before God becomes "all in all".

This has made me wonder how many persons will there be who rise not yet saved? As it seems to me logical we will be serving somehow, involving them..

[sheila]

 :2c: 2 Esdras 6;7...what will be the dividing of the times?Or when will be the end of the first age and the beginning of the agethat follows?

  He said to me,'from Abraham to Isaac,because from him were born Jacob and Esau...v 9 Now Esau is the end of this age,andJacob is the

beginning of the age that follows. The beginning of a person is the hand,and the end of a person is the heel


   the present corrupt age[symbolized by Esau]will be followed immediately,without a break,by the glorious age to come.

   { I think of Jesus bruised heel being the end of knowing Him as a man....certainly weknow him as a man no longer=CHRIST IN GLORY

[marie glen]

 :Chinscratch: Very interesting that the Millennium should be referred to as an age of Jacob, the earthly, as opposed to his new name Israel..

I love these verses Jesus spoke about His return -
http://ipost.christianpost.com/post/15-bible-verses-that-jesus-speaks-about-his-second-coming

# 1 - Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew 24:4-5; 11; 23-27)

# 2 - "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (Matthew 24:30-31)

# 3 - For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. ((Matthew 16:27)

# 4 - As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew 24:37-39)

# 5 - "It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. "It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. (Luke 17:28-30)

# 6 - "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." (Luke 21:34-36)

# 7 - Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. (Matthew 24:40-44)

# 8 - "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!' "Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.' "'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.' "But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. "Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!' "But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.' (Matthew 25:1-12)


# 9 - It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night. (Luke 12:37-38)

# 10 - "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (John 14:1-3)

# 11 - "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. (Matthew 25:13)


# 12 - "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36)

# 13 - You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." (Luke 12:40)


# 14 - "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the to the age fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Matthew 25:31-46)

# 15 - If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." (Mark 8:38)

And some other verses - His 2nd coming :cloud9:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. (But this occurs at end of that 'day' [surely?] at the all in all event?)

Acts 1:10-11
And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven."

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Titus 2:13
Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Revelation 22:12
"Behold, I come quickly, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 3:4
When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

Revelation 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. ...

1 Thessalonians 3:13
So that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints.

James 5:7
Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains.

2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

1 John 2:
And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.

1 Corinthians 1:7
So that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

Revelation 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 16:15
("Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!")

1 John 3:2-3
Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

Revelation 3:11
I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.

1 Peter 1:13
Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Revelation 17:14
They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful."

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

2 Timothy 4:1
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom.

Jude 1:14
It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones,

James 5:7-9
Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains. You also, be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. Do not grumble against one another, brothers, so that you may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing at the door.

Revelation 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.

Acts 1:9-11
And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven."

Revelation 19:11-21 ESV / 31 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod/ruler/measure of iron. (The Truth which is actually unbreakable.) He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. ... (The results of sin is.. results.)

Revelation 16:17-21
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, "It is done!" And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe.

Revelation 1:4
John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,

1 Peter 5:4
And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.

1 Timothy 6:13-16
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

1 Peter 2:12
Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.

Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

Psalm 96:13
Before the Lord, for he comes, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness, and the peoples in his faithfulness.

Acts 3:19-21
Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.

Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is

We will share Hus character! :cloud9:

[sheila]

part of this being found like Him..is to be found spotless and blameless..like Him, the Lamb.We are found that way by the atonement

of Hs blood and flesh..the blood on our doorpost[mouths] for this reason..when we leave this world[Egypt/with

Pharoah/Prince of this world/lawless one] the angel of death passes-over us.Those that never die/name change Israel[we shall all be

changed] Since we liveby faith..shrinking back in unbelief/stumbling in faith or disbelieving is..even if you die,ye shall live.

all the dead are standing before Him...[deadinfirst Adam] and He removes all causes of offense,occasions for stumbling,allcausesof

sin[burns in LOF] so the dead may beraised up/changed into His image and likeness.we shall ALL bechanged.

being caught up to Paradise[third Heaven] 2 Esdras 15;10 2 Esdras8;51,52 Paradiseis where the Lordis..the place between corruption

and immortality/where the TOL is.It is here where people see what they had not seen before,and hear what they had not heard before.

  Jacob and the ladder..the camp of God.[Come up here!] Rev 20;9  :2c:

[marie glen]

Amen those who have Christ (know Him) have life, and we await a new heavens and a new earth.. For the things we see now are temporary along with suffering and aging.. wars, etc.. thank GOD they do not endure forever but are passing away.. "For our hope- better translation - expectation, is for what is unseen for which the fathers and prophets were commended.." Heb.1:1,2, for they did not see Messiah but believed in His coming /appearing. And we do not see Jesus now but we await His coming/appearing and await the millennial rule, followed by the judgment, followed by a new heavens and a new Earth..

For every eye will see Him.. and knowledge will cover the Earth like the waters covers the seas.. now unseen, but we believe..

And the last enemy death/thanatos defeated, that there be no more dead! /Nekros/"lack of life" for all will be clothed with life, that mortal be swallowed up of immortality/athanotos/"lack of death"..

Will "put on immortality"/total lack of death :banana: no more aging.. tooth decay.. dis-ease.. no more of all the bottomless pit which is imperfection/lack of perfection/which is opposite of God, who is life..

For the wages of sin is death. One path other than life - which is death. If we have Christ we have life. (Until then, I have to assume, we didn't. So the myth of immortality in hell is doubly myth! :banana: ) For without Christ, or to not have Christ/know Him, is to, in His words, "not have life". I believe this is the all important lesson He is proving to all in heaven (angels) and all in Earth (humans, presently mortal/dying) that to wander from God who is Life(?) can never, ever work. Two paths. Life. And not-life. Which is death. "The soul that sins, it shall die." I don't think there is immortality without God and union w Him through the Son of man (manchild of Rev.12).

But, the "dead IN Christ" are still "alive" for God is not God if the dead/nekros/lacking life, but of the living - so they are alive, either in the mind of God, or in a dreamlike state? But do not "put on immortality" until Jesus' return. Which Paul said he had not yet been clothed with immortality and incorruption. (1 Cor.15, 1 Thess.4)
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