Ezekiel 18:4.What do you make of it?

[ghost kid]

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Ezekiel 18:4.What do you make of it?:

Ezekiel 18:4
King James Version
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

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[ghost kid]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2018%3A4&version=KJV

Ezekiel 18:4.What do you make of it?:

Ezekiel 18:4
King James Version
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

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Ezekiel 18:4 in all English translations

This bothers me.Because I am one of those people who believe in the immortally of the soul.:(

[Ross]

Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death,  but the GIFT of God is aion life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
1 Timothy 6:16

The first lie to Eve was that " you shall not die."
The arguments about being immortal are huge.
IMO that would mean Christ cannot die in our place.

[GodSavesAll]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2018%3A4&version=KJV

Ezekiel 18:4.What do you make of it?:

Ezekiel 18:4
King James Version
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

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Ezekiel 18:4 in all English translations

This bothers me.Because I am one of those people who believe in the immortally of the soul.:(

Only sinning souls die...  So just don't sin and you'll be fine.   :laughing7:

dEvil doesn't have life in itself.  (Only God has immortality).
Being IN God then (and God WILL be all in all) = immortality.

But I hear what you are saying (regarding the soul dieing) and how that could 'seem' worrying.

Yet people should understand that there is no BAD NEWS with God (good), so know this...

Yes, sinning souls DO die. 
God/love creates all, and won't allow evil to: 'be' for any longer than necessary (and that is a very GOOD/godly thing).

However... The soul is: RAISED again (either to 'life' (incorruptible) or RAISED to judgement (which of course is: 'another death'  :eek:). 

"God will RANSOM MY SOUL from the unseen (death/sheol/grave)" - Psalm 49:15

A soul will continue to experience 'death' until it ceases from sin.

Again... Everyone will learn to get it right eventually and God will be all in all.

Revelation 1:18
"... and I became dead, and lo! living am I for the eons of the eons. (Amen!) And I have the keys of death and of the unseen".

Amen.

[Ross]

John 3:13 " No one has ascended into heaven except He that descended out of the heavens- the Son of man."
John 6:46 " Not that anyone has seen the Father save He who is from God: this one has seen the Father. "
1 Corinthians 15:20 " But now Christ is risen from the dead, and become the first fruit of them that slept. "
1 Corinthians 15:23 "But each in his own order:
Christ the first fruit, then WHEN CHRIST COMES, those who belong to Him. "
Seems to say that no one else has risen yet.

[GodSavesAll]

Seems to say that no one else has risen yet.

Yes, the key word being of course: 'yet', (since eventually all will rise as Scripture says)...


"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
and come out, - those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned". - John 5:29.

I consider the: 'mystery' of how we will: 'not all sleep' - yet all be changed in the: 'blink of an eye'.
When we consider that being dead, we know: 'nothing', then; whether a second passes or a billion years passes - what is the difference if we are dead? - We know: 'nothing'.
...And so that: 'sleep' of death is but a blink of an eye to that dead one. - We close our eyes here and open them there.

Slightly off-topic but related...
I know a lot of people of Christian persuasion who don't accept ANY accounts of NDE's - based on the phrase:
"The dead know nothing". 
(Yet they never seem to accept everything else said in Ecclesiastes)  :laugh:. 
I believe most NDE's are fake also - as the enemy muddies the waters of everything... (Especially anything sacred).
However; having been personally with people having such experiences - I know they happen.
'In Spirit'; time won't have the same meaning (as is obvious).  (John, for example was in the Lord's day in spirit and saw things outwith a physical perception of time). 
And so when NDE'rs speak of: 'beautiful gardens' and: 'flowers' and: 'seeing dead relatives' etc, i bear in mind that they are seeing in spirit to a degree and not through physical eyes.  What they are seeing could well be events that (to the living) would be well into the future, but to them (being in spirit): it is present.

[Ross]

Paul talks about being in the 3rd heaven but doesn't know if he was in the body or not.[2 Corinthians 12:2]
NDE may well be imitation of Paul's experience.
The flesh does copy the spiritual experience.

[GodSavesAll]

Paul talks about being in the 3rd heaven but doesn't know if he was in the body or not.[2 Corinthians 12:2]
NDE may well be imitation of Paul's experience.
The flesh does copy the spiritual experience.

For me; the typical NDE definitely sounds similar to Pauls experience, but Paul was told things that he didn't share with others... I think Paul was definitely given: 'more' from his experience than any typical person (due to his closeness with Christ).  The fact that he didn't share much of it indicates to me that it was probably too precious a pearl to give to a humanity not ready for it.  (I know that many people keep their NDE experiences to themselves because they consider them Holy and sacred - so that they cannot be: 'trashed' by others). 

The fact that Paul didnt know if he was in or out of his body indicates how real ('real' (as in our own earthly sense of: 'real'-ity')) his experience was... I mean... If someone doesn't know if they are even in their body or out of it and yet are having an incredible other-worldly experience... That's quite an experience!
For people who have experienced visions - they know that there is no break in the: 'normal' (everyday) awareness... It just feels the same - (yet one is seeing things other-wordly) and at the time of the vision it seems totally 'normal' and it is like they just forget about the flesh body and are just: 'aware'.

Ross, what do you mean by the flesh copying the spiritual experience?

[Ross]

The flesh copying the spirit:
Went out to a few " spiritual things " that were allegedly a "pouring out of the spirit. "
At that time I thought I was missing out because I was not experiencing anything. I was being told " I have not confessed everything, or some unconfessed sin was denying the right to be receiving the spirit of God. "
The atmosphere was stimulated by the leader to draw on the connection between God and man for a pouring out of the Holy Spirit.
I now think that I was protected from the lie/copy of when the initial pouring out where people spoke in tongues from the fiery spirit.
IMO the flesh sees something and tries to copy for personal advantage.

[Ross]

Acts 8:18,19
Acts 19:11-20
Like those who claim to be spiritual, yet not their appointed time.

[Ross]

2 Timothy 3:1-5
1 Timothy 4:1-4
Jude 1:4
Jude 1:8-14
Jude 1:18
2 Corinthians 10;17,18
Just some of those who seem to be claiming to be spiritual, just the flesh seeking to be noticed, boasting in personal effort.

[GodSavesAll]

The flesh copying the spirit:
Went out to a few " spiritual things " that were allegedly a "pouring out of the spirit. "
At that time I thought I was missing out because I was not experiencing anything. I was being told " I have not confessed everything, or some unconfessed sin was denying the right to be receiving the spirit of God. "
The atmosphere was stimulated by the leader to draw on the connection between God and man for a pouring out of the Holy Spirit.
I now think that I was protected from the lie/copy of when the initial pouring out where people spoke in tongues from the fiery spirit.
IMO the flesh sees something and tries to copy for personal advantage.

I get what you mean.

[GodSavesAll]

2 Timothy 3:1-5
1 Timothy 4:1-4
Jude 1:4
Jude 1:8-14
Jude 1:18
2 Corinthians 10;17,18
Just some of those who seem to be claiming to be spiritual, just the flesh seeking to be noticed, boasting in personal effort.

I know myself that when I have denounced NDE experiences in times past as being fake (because they don't hold up to truth and are obviously, even BLATANTLY fake (unless one also believes spiderman is real).  :Chinscratch: - I have been asked this a lot in retaliation:-
"You are wrong.  Why would they (nde experiencers) lie?"
Then they usually add:
'What would they gain from lieing?"

What would they gain from lieing???...
...Hmmm... In a world ruled by the founder of lies itself and utterly FULL of lies and carnal lusts - what could one POSSIBLY gain from lieing??? - Let's see now...

...Whether money from books (with sequels!), or crystals, or t-shirts, or fake: 'healing events' or whatever else I've seen people selling on their websites, - much of the time it is about money.
And sometimes (as you say); people just want to be 'noticed'... Everyone wants to be a guru these days it seems, or a teacher (without having been called) (possibly deluded by their own voice).

But at a deeper level is the enemy - ever muddying the waters... Liars lieing for lieing's sake, (just as truthful people tell the truth' for truths sake).  (Most people cannot grasp that). - But as much as some enjoy helping people - others enjoy hurting people just as much). - Totally oblivious to devil/evil.
The enemy lies to conceal the truth... To keep people in ignorance and from truth/God so they are ever blown-about by every 'wind' of teaching in an: 'unsaved' (sinful/carnal), miserable condition/state. 
Knowledge is power. - The truth sets free. - Love unites.  -  Yes the enemy doesn't want that.
These folks are on mainstream/wordly news and programs (often things like: Oprah) (which: 'should' ring bells in (professing) 'christian' minds (if indeed they were genuine))).
And: 'hidden' in their message somewhere is usually things like...
'There are no sins',
'Everyone goes straight to heaven' (forever)),
'Jesus, Buddha, the other ones... Even Jimmy down the street - they are all the same, so whatever you believe is YOUR 'TRUTH"'.  (As though there could be two truths).  (Nope; God is ONE).

...Then there are the: 'hell' accounts.  Yawn.
Etc...

[Ross]

 :iagree:
Money is the root of all sorts of evil.
The desire to live the easy life also stimulates ridiculous activities.
Muddying the water does indeed stir up so much dirt that in order to find the truth one has to do a lot of sifting

[GodSavesAll]

:iagree:
Money is the root of all sorts of evil.
The desire to live the easy life also stimulates ridiculous activities.
Muddying the water does indeed stir up so much dirt that in order to find the truth one has to do a lot of sifting

Very true Ross.

People murder for money/muscle for hire/prostitute themselves (even changing 'gender' (if it were possible) - to become more popular) (etc), and so it is nothing to many to lie to gullible people who will believe pretty-much anything, or to try to take advantage of kind people (easy targets).

Yet many people out there are very poor and desperate in so many ways - and desperate people often do desperate things.
...There but by God's grace go we all.  :Pray:
...I know what I was before God laid His hand on me.

But...Indeed; the enemy poses as a messenger of light and is well-established in such places.
We are all aware of pretty bibles on the outside - soft calfskin delux leather, pink silky-ribbon-marker, gold gilded-edged paper (etc)... Yet inside, - mistranslated and warped purposefully.   :eek: