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Discussions Relating to Universal Reconciliation => Discussions on Universal Salvation => Topic started by: Tim B on October 09, 2009, 02:38:57 AM

Title: God's Glory is NOT Brought About By "Forced Worship" or Eternal Suffering
Post by: Tim B on October 09, 2009, 02:38:57 AM
ISAIAH 45:23:

Quote23By Myself I have sworn, Gone out from my mouth in righteousness hath a word, And it turneth not back, That to Me, bow doth every knee, every tongue swear [allegiance].

PHILIPPIANS 2:10-11

Quote10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
      in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
      to the glory of God the Father.

1 JOHN 4:8

Quote... God is love.

1 CORINTHIANS 13:5

QuoteIt [love] is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

If Love is NOT self-seeking (1 Cor. 13), then NO glory can come to God by "forced worship" (because forced worship IS SELF-SEEKING) or His throwing people into an eternal hell hole to suffer for an infinite period of time (because the opposite of self-seeking is other-serving and eternal torment serves NO MAN ANY GOOD). If God had forced worship or had to infinitely torture anybody, then he would displeased, because this is NOT for their benefit, and how can you really be glorified if you're displeased with the "glory" being brought to you?

ONLY heart-felt worship that brings peace to the worshipper will ever glorify God. ONLY by blessing others, in other words, freeing them from their sin and working ALL things for their good, will true glory be brought to God. Interesting too, that only in such conditions, by freeing people from their sins, may God receive TRUE worship by non-self-seeking worshippers (who wish to bring HIM glory)!!

Hope this message is understandable...
Title: Re: God's Glory is NOT Brought About By "Forced Worship" or Eternal Suffering
Post by: Seth on October 09, 2009, 02:48:22 AM
Are you referencing the fact that every knee will bow and tongue confess is not a forced worship upon those who will eventually still be tortured forever? That's the claim many ETers make. That view sure doesn't reconcile with the fact that all dead in Adam will be made alive in Christ by God being all in all.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: God's Glory is NOT Brought About By "Forced Worship" or Eternal Suffering
Post by: Tim B on October 09, 2009, 04:28:06 AM
Quote from: Seth on October 09, 2009, 02:48:22 AM
Are you referencing the fact that every knee will bow and tongue confess is not a forced worship upon those who will eventually still be tortured forever? That's the claim many ETers make. That view sure doesn't reconcile with the fact that all dead in Adam will be made alive in Christ by God being all in all.  :thumbsup:

lol Yep, that's what I'm talking about. Maybe I should add that to my message to make it clear. Thanks!
Title: Re: God's Glory is NOT Brought About By "Forced Worship" or Eternal Suffering
Post by: Seth on October 09, 2009, 04:47:46 AM
Good works, Tim B. Amen.  :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:
Title: Re: God's Glory is NOT Brought About By "Forced Worship" or Eternal Suffering
Post by: Zero7 on October 09, 2009, 05:23:46 AM
Tim, excellent post. Very clear to me. UR in a nut shell. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: God's Glory is NOT Brought About By "Forced Worship" or Eternal Suffering
Post by: Cardinal on October 10, 2009, 06:45:01 AM
 :cloud9: Works for me........ :thumbsup: Blessings.....
Title: Re: God's Glory is NOT Brought About By "Forced Worship" or Eternal Suffering
Post by: sheila on October 10, 2009, 08:11:56 PM



  heartily agree! no need to force..He that is LOVE knows

  how to woo her.