Can someone help me with MK Baxter and her "revelation" of "hell"?

[Nathan]

I'm liking your sound, man.  your words are music to my soul.

[jabcat]

Mod Note-

Nathan;

As far as context, that's your interpretation and that's fine, but that doesn't necessarily set it in stone.  

Nathan and 333;

Please continue to share all the spiritual insights you feel led to do.  Just please both review the link in my last post and don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Many ARE little ones, new in the faith, or have NO faith.  Gary's focus for this site is to minister to and share information with people coming through here who are beginning to consider UR, and who need help with that.  Many other things are allowed, but within limits.

I'm not

talking about idolotry
stating that we have a perfect translation
stating all have to understand it all the same
touting one translation over another
saying Jesus isn't the Word made flesh
saying Jesus doesn't speak to us
saying we want debating over doctrines, head-butting, leaning to own understanding, etc.

I am saying

we've had too many come through that have trashed the scriptures, including diminishing their importance
we do need to "have the time" to observe the forum guidelines
we will not allow things to get anywhere close to where things were before, including disrespect for the scriptures
things are pretty spelled out regarding expectations if one takes the time to look
anything you claim to be spiritually revealed, if truly the case, will check out with the witness of the scriptures
this will be moderated accordingly

No one will benefit from our high levels of spirituality if that includes discouraging people (especially little ones) from going to the scriptures - even subtly suggesting so.  Yes, Jesus said what He said about "scriptures..think you have life".  However, I believe there was also a context to that.  They were missing Him.  He also had plenty to say about the scriptures Himself, including that His words would not pass away.  If any of us is truly a spiritual leader, I believe we will keep in mind the little ones/those weak in the faith.

The link I provided is pretty clear, but if you have any further questions please feel free to PM me.

Thanks, James.

[eaglesway]

He also replied to Satan on the mount of temptation, "It is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." The relationship between the written word and the sword of the Spirit/living word is what makes the word "oracle" so precious. As oracles, the scriptures are of the utmost value and integral to all of God's revelation- "Today, if you hear His voice".

[333]

we will not allow things to get anywhere close to where things were before, including disrespect for the scriptures

I'm sorry . There was never no intent to disrespect scriptures. There was never no intent to diminish the importance of scripture either. I don't believe I have done either. I myself read the scripture all the time and they are vitally important to me.  My point simply was and is that most call the scripture the "Word of God".  They are "scripture" Jesus referred to them as scripture. Jesus is the "Word of God". That is something all christians need to realize and understand if they truly want to grow spiritually. Jesus is the door. The way to the Father. The scripture was written down and given to us and are VITALLY important but should never take the place of communing with or fellowshipping with our Lord. Even the very young need to know this for true spiritual growth.

Scripture is extremely important ESPECIALLY when it comes to prophecy for the church!! If they were not then God would not of taken the time to have them written down and given to all throughout all the generations. But the pharisee's read the scriptures. They knew bible prophecy inside and out. They should of reconized the Lord when He came. But they MISSED IT. Because they were relying solely on scripture and head knowledge of them. They were not HEARING FROM GOD FOR THEMSELVES!

I'm sorry but even NEW BABES IN CHRIST need THIS TRUTH!

delete me if you want but I follow God not man.

[Nathan]

I gotta tell ya, when I first read your warning yesterday, I was actually stunned.  I just sat and stared at the screen not believing what I was reading.  It was heavy on my mind all night last night and first thing this morning.  I was really at a loss as to what to do with this.  Should I simply leave once again, and just not come back?  Should I make a huge fuss against what was said?  There's got to be a happy medium in there somewhere. 

I found it really strange that for the entirety of yesterday, there was a boxing match going on on another thread and I saw no mention of concern for the little ones over there.  Yet what I've written got red-flagged because I supposedly have trashed, disrespected, and diminished the importance of the Scriptures?   Discouraging others from going to the Scriptures?  Really?  That's how what I wrote was interpreted?  If many here believe this is true, then I have failed all of you miserably. 

As far as I'm concerned, Scripture is the launching pad.  It's out of Scripture that we become aware of the voice of the Word at all.  I've never said studying the Bible is wrong.  I've never said studying the Bible is useless.  Everything I've shared is with the intent that all of us grow in it and let it grow in us.  Growth is everything.  If we're not growing, we're dying.  Change is always inevidible.  My whole point from the beginning of this topic is not that we walk away from our Bibles, but that we become better stewards with what we've been given. 

I believe even the Bible can become idolized by people who think their minds can contain it all.  But I've tried to be as clear as I could when I delve into these areas that I'm not trying to build a doctrine here.  I'm just sharing where I'm at with things and if you disagree, there's no hardship over it.  I'm not going to bring any condemnation on anyone because the truth is, as I grow, what I see today could very well change by tomorrow.


How many times in Scripture did Jesus say one thing but mean something totally different?  How many times were people frustrated with him and want him to just come out and say it?  Even the dicsiples queried him about why was everything in parables.  If Jesus whole ministry was full of "double meaning" why are we so surprised that the Scriptures are as well?  Even when he was putting the parables out there  . . . for who's benefit was it?  The mature or the little ones . . .or for everyone on different levels?

I totally agree with your ending remarks.  Jesus stated the familiar passage about people thinking that by searching the Scriptures they will find life but can't because they missed him.  But why would that not still apply here?  Has any "one" of us not missed him on one level or another?  Do we still not miss his voice from time to time?  For me, every time my head gets in the way, I greatly risk hearing or seeing his purpose on any given day.

And if I've projected myself to be on a "high level of spirituality" I again apologize for that also.  I believe I see what I see the same way anyone sees anything of God, it's through his grace.  It's not through anything of my own merit.  For the little ones, can we not teach by example?  If we believe we are enabled to fly in his truth, can we not take flight so that the "little ones" can not only see, but also experience what we're talking about?

And truly, everything we/I talk about really does need to be in alignment with Scripture.  I've never felt otherwise.  For me, what has happened to me personally is, when my mind began being transformed, the same Bible I had before now has such a deeper meaning for me.  Disrespect and disabing Scirpture has never been my intent.  If anything, I embrace it all the more.  But I now pursue the patterns beneath that raise my awareness of his presence and truth even more.  The deep calls to the deep.  I just want to be able to answer to that call.

[SQ]

Hey Nathan, I hope you don't go or leave, :sigh: as far as revelations and scriptures I think they have to agree,  from my read don't see a disagreement with you and scriptures.
I have really been enjoying your posts.

[Beloved Servant]

Ditto.

And there is agreement with Eaglesway's and Nathan's posts.
They may not see it subjectively, but objectively they're not at opposition to each other and seemingly to the Scriptures.
It's easy to see the accuser working as a corporeal spirit in the mind of a single individual.
That's rock-n-roll, advertising and the whole conformity to the spirit of this world that Romans 12 warns us about.
Yes the serpent grew to a dragon.

[SQ]

I am glad we agree Beloved Servant, I thought I missed something.   :thumbsup:

[jabcat]

Nathan, I really like the sum of your last post.  You may not have intended at all to minimize the scriptures, just as I didn't say you were trashing them.  Ah, perception.  I said it had occurred in the past, and that things were no longer being allowed to even approach where things were before.  In discussions with Gary and within the admin board, and in large part due to much of the ridiculous food fighting that occurred in the past, it's been decided that things would be moderated even more tightly.  That's not always fun or necessarily pleasant, but for good reasons and is a firm decision at this point.

As far as the other thread, it's being monitored with the forum guidelines in mind.  It's bordered on crossing the line at times, but the participants have kept pulling it back in.  The one thing that may be an ongoing issue there is the actual "debate" aspect, which I agree, may need further attention - and has already been under consideration.  However, any further discussion of the moderation aspects of that thread, as well as this one, probably needs to go to PM.

If I've erred in this matter in some way, I apologize.  I believe there's a legitimate point to be made, but probably not each and every aspect, as I'm very aware that handling most situations absolutely perfectly is quite elusive to me.  I apologize for that piece.  In the same vein, if we can go by the spirit of your last post, including "there's got to be a happy medium in there somewhere", and as SQ said "as far as revelations and scriptures I think they have to agree", that would be great.  

Let's don't quench the Spirit, in all things, let's just make sure it is the Spirit we're hearing.  And as you did say in one of your earlier posts about the scriptures, and I agree, the Spirit and the scriptures bear witness with each other.  :thumbsup: