Bill Wiese "Hell"

[bobf]

Well, read my fist post on this forum. I made no secret of it. You can say I

Just to maybe clear something up....  I don't think ID was calling you a hypocrite.... he was calling the HELL website hypocritical for calling out a HELL teacher.

"it like telling people there no purple color when they have a purple color as well."

[IceDash]

Well, read my fist post on this forum. I made no secret of it. You can say I

Just to maybe clear something up....  I don't think ID was calling you a hypocrite.... he was calling the HELL website hypocritical for calling out a HELL teacher.

"it like telling people there no purple color when they have a purple color as well."

I didn't call whitewing a hypocrite, thank for clearing me up bobf, I am terrible with grammer. :sigh:

[WhiteWings]

WW, if it's only 1%

I hope it's the mustard seed. It grows slowly when "in the earth" but when it sees the first ray of light it almost explodes.
My seed just happend to be planted in rocky ground  :laughing7:

[jabcat]

Amen!  So be it!

[WhiteWings]

But isn't God wipe away tear and stuff was for the saved people?

Surely that's true. But don't you think the people in the classic hell with fire and brimstone have even more tears that need to be wiped away.[/quote]

God so love the world that he send his son to died for us, whoever believe in him will not perish, but have everlasting life.

That where UR get me confused at this very point, How can God draw "ALL" to him if they don't believe Jesus and perish?

That would make God inferior (to men)
He wants all 'in heaven' He even sends His Son to help. And the result? He failed because 95% is not in heaven.
Do you think God possibly has overestimated Himself (and Jesus)?

You know what is perish is? DEAD, GONE.

The "GONE" part is wrong according to all Christian denominations. How else can people be judged after death? How can there be "hell"? If there is nothing (gone) then there is nothing for God to judge.

Even Jesus told medn to fear God that he can destroy body and soul, how can draw "ALL" to himself if he can do that otherwise?

Your question has the answer in itself.
Even for God it's impossible to draw everyone to Himself and at the same time push everyone away into hell.
So there is a contradiction in that statement. But when IceDash noticed the contradiction why didn't God see it?
Perhaps IceDash and many others read things wrong. But you know that by now because Jabcat answered that when I was asleep.


IceDash,
Forgot in my earlier post...
I also recommend the book of two forum members http://www.godsplanforall.com/
It's free. You only the shipping. You can read it online. Or you can get it as a .pdf file.
Easy reading to-the-point book.

[WhiteWings]

I didn't call whitewing a hypocrite,

You clipped my wing. You forgot an S   :laughing7:
Hmmm, I'm "fallen" now  :Chinscratch:

thank for clearing me up bobf, I am terrible with grammer. :sigh:

Must say I misunderstood you. But as you hopefully noticed from the replies after that I didn't really care.
All forgiven.
Jabcat! See I made a little step from the wide road. 1.01% and counting!  :pointlaugh:

[jabcat]

God is merciful and will not have any perish.  He's truly a God we can love and trust  :thumbsup:. 

[WhiteWings]

IceDash,
Few quotes from you in this thread.

I am still have hard time understand the loving God who KNOW EVERYTHING made hell for wimpy puny human to be burn forever. It's unsettled.

but aren't you afraid of what if hell is real? Do you ever feel sometime like that?

was it because UR using "wishful thinking?"

I know, Love is not fear

also the "good news"

more people in hell than heaven isn't exactly good news.

But isn't God wipe away tear and stuff was for the saved people?

That where UR get me confused at this very point, How can God draw "ALL" to him if they don't believe Jesus and perish? You know what is perish is? DEAD, GONE.

Even Jesus told medn to fear God that he can destroy body and soul, how can draw "ALL" to himself if he can do that otherwise?

Below my own signature. For me it answers all your questions I quoted above. The verses may not exactly explain how things are done and when but IMO it gives a clear view on the end result.
And eternal doom just doesn't fit in that end result.
Unless you call people burning in hell: saved, not judged and declared righteous.

1 Timothy 2:3-4  .... God our Saviour;  Who will have all men to be saved....
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ....

Sounds a lot like the grace all Christian denominations speak about.

[IceDash]

thank you whitewing"s" (I just put your wing back on with glue) :laughing7:

Anyway, I am still studying God's word without any men's tradition or the church (yeah I still go there because I love these people)

[WhiteWings]

I guess not all sermons and lessons in your church are about hell. So there still are things to learn in that.
I think you need to view things from at least 2 angles. Hear it the ET way. Hear it the UR way.
Then compare their explanations in a more litteral Bible and draw your own conclusions.
For me personally ET never made sense because basicly its messages is:
"God loves all, but still 95% get tortured forever."
That doesn't even make sense for human fathers that don't have full control of things.
But for God who has full control of every molecule in the universe it makes even less sense.

[Raggedy Anne]

I wonder why he only had to spend 23 minutes in hell?  I find his site disgraceful.  And do you know that book is sold all over the place, even at the Walgreen's pharmacy.  What a fear monger!  There are times when I wish there were a hell where all the fear mongers have to be in purgatory. 

The one other hell fire dude that really gets on my nerves is that Berean Call dude... David (something) - his name slips my mind at the moment.  I read his monthly newsletter for entertainment value.  It's always very dire and he has pretty much condemned the whole world over the years.  i'm sure his name will come to me after I send this message.

[Paul Hazelwood]

23 minutes is how long he dozed off during church service.

[WhiteWings]

23 minutes is how long he dozed off during church service.

Must have been inspired by the movie "23"
The plot fits his scam.

"An intriguing portrait of a young man drifting away from reality. And since that young man was a famous hacker with an unhealthy interest in conspiracies, the movie has got to be about conspiracies"
The conspiracy part is probably true. Setup by the guy with the pitchfork...