Belief is the result, not the cause

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Doug, and Card,

I was in Christ long before I saw an internet connection.

I was UR long before I saw an internet.

"most" of my inspiration came from J.P. Eby, Gary Sigler, Charles Slagle, and a 3 year deeeeeeeeeep study of Restitution of All Things, and Christ Triumphant. Was the beginning. of course I did the get on my knees and bag God to be my personal saviour, and that was long after "He" started the dragging me to his understanding of his word. I have knocked a hole in his door seeking knowledge.

Lee Damboise II

has anyone read Gary Sigler's The incorrucptable seed ???

What did anyone think???

[Livelystone]

Doug, and Card,

I was in Christ long before I saw an internet connection.

I was UR long before I saw an internet.

"most" of my inspiration came from J.P. Eby, Gary Sigler, Charles Slagle, and a 3 year deeeeeeeeeep study of Restitution of All Things, and Christ Triumphant. Was the beginning. of course I did the get on my knees and bag God to be my personal saviour, and that was long after "He" started the dragging me to his understanding of his word. I have knocked a hole in his door seeking knowledge.

Lee Damboise II

has anyone read Gary Sigler's The incorrucptable seed ???

What did anyone think???

If I remember correctly GS's ministry teaches that the seed that is Christ is in every man on earth and I find that to be highly contrary to God's Word........ Adam is ONLY the seed/spirit found in every man and Adam along with Eve (the soul) are unclean and unable to ascend unto heaven........ ever!!!

Nothing from any earthen vessel (man) will ever ascend unto heaven that has not come down from heaven unto an earthen vessel........ only the Holy Spirit and its tending angels that come from heaven and is the free gift of salvation ever qualifies to ascend back into heaven where it came from.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

Blessings

Doug

[HartleyDamboiseII]

  Okay I am going to make comments in red to show where "I" see your error and please don't feel offended, it is really IMO...ONLY

Doug, and Card,

I was in Christ long before I saw an internet connection.

I was UR long before I saw an internet.

"most" of my inspiration came from J.P. Eby, Gary Sigler, Charles Slagle, and a 3 year deeeeeeeeeep study of Restitution of All Things, and Christ Triumphant. Was the beginning. of course I did the get on my knees and bag God to be my personal saviour, and that was long after "He" started the dragging me to his understanding of his word. I have knocked a hole in his door seeking knowledge.

Lee Damboise II

has anyone read Gary Sigler's The incorrucptable seed ???

What did anyone think???

If I remember correctly GS's ministry teaches that the seed that is Christ is in every man on earth( Christ/God is in all things, man being one of those things) and I find that to be highly contrary to God's Word........ Adam is ONLY the seed/spirit found in every man and Adam along with Eve (the soul) are unclean and unable to ascend unto heaven........ ever!!! (Of course that is if you believe that the new heaven and earth was not come 'thy kingdom come' 2000 years ago, and if you do not believe that all in Adam "Was" brought into life at the reserraction )

Nothing from any earthen vessel (man) will ever ascend unto heaven (2000 years ago, about, Christ came and bought back all things and put His Spirit back in man by paying the price for creation/mankind)that has not come down from heaven unto an earthen vessel........ only the Holy Spirit and its tending angels (What ? you don't know already that we are God's angles and the only angles that have ever existed is Humankind directed by God???)that come from heaven and is the free gift of salvation ever qualifies to ascend back into heaven where it came from. (Oh ya, thats all thing...)

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Even tho this is what I call a message wrote for non Gentiles, it is still true that The Christ/Anointed is the substance of ALL THING...
) (In which we and all things are....)[/color]
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)  (Quite moving that WE do nothing to bring Him down, He did it all for us 2000 years ago.)

Blessings

Doug

Red type is Lee's comments to Doug's post.  

Lee Damboise II

[Paul Hazelwood]

I agree with the thread title.


We do not believe first.

"WE LOVE GOD  BECAUSE HE LOVED US FIRST"

[HartleyDamboiseII]

Really a good story for the unbeliever/believer
Retyped by Lee Damboise II

He that believeth not shall be damned.
NOT

   And pray, sir, said the young lady, with great sweetness, Pray, sir what is the unbeliever damned for not believing?  Why he is damned for not believing.  But, my dear sir, she asked, what was that, which he did not believe, for which he was damned?   Why, for not believing in Jesus Christ, to be sure.  Do you mean to say that unbelievers are damned for not believing there was such a person as Jesus Christ.  No. I do not; a man may believe there was such a person, and yet be damned.  What then sir, must he believe, in order to avoid damnation?  Why, he must believe that Jesus Christ was the complete Saviour; Well, suppose he were to believe, that Jesus Christ was the complete Saviour of others, (some) would this belief save him?  No, he must believe that Jesus Christ is his complete Saviour; every individual must believe for himself that Jesus Christ is his complete Saviour.  Why, sir, is Jesus Christ the Saviour of any unbelievers?  No madam.  Why, then, should any unbeliever believe, that Jesus Christ is his Saviour, if he is not his Saviour?  I say he is not the Saviour of any one, until he believes.  Then if Jesus be not the Saviour of the unbeliever, until he believes, the unbeliever is called upon to believe a lie.  It appears to me, sir, that Jesus is the complete Saviour of unbelievers; and that unbelievers are called upon to believe the truth; and that, by believing they are saved in their own apprehension, saved from all those dreadful fears which are consequent upon a state of conscious condemnation.   No, madam; you are dreadfully, I trust not fatally, misled.  Jesus never was , never will be, the Saviour of any unbeliever.  Do you think Jesus is your Saviour, sir? I hope he is.  Were you always a believer sir?   No, madam.  Then you were once an unbeliever; that is, your once believed that Jesus Christ was NOT your Saviour.  Now, as you say, he never will be, the Saviour of any Unbeliever, he never can be your Saviour.  He never was my Saviour till I believed.  Did he never die for you, till you believed, sir?

[Cardinal]

Doug, and Card,

I was in Christ long before I saw an internet connection.

I was UR long before I saw an internet.

"most" of my inspiration came from J.P. Eby, Gary Sigler, Charles Slagle, and a 3 year deeeeeeeeeep study of Restitution of All Things, and Christ Triumphant. Was the beginning. of course I did the get on my knees and bag God to be my personal saviour, and that was long after "He" started the dragging me to his understanding of his word. I have knocked a hole in his door seeking knowledge.

Lee Damboise II

has anyone read Gary Sigler's The incorrucptable seed ???

What did anyone think???

If I remember correctly GS's ministry teaches that the seed that is Christ is in every man on earth and I find that to be highly contrary to God's Word........ Adam is ONLY the seed/spirit found in every man and Adam along with Eve (the soul) are unclean and unable to ascend unto heaven........ ever!!!

Nothing from any earthen vessel (man) will ever ascend unto heaven that has not come down from heaven unto an earthen vessel........ only the Holy Spirit and its tending angels that come from heaven and is the free gift of salvation ever qualifies to ascend back into heaven where it came from.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

Blessings

Doug

:cloud9: Oddly enough, I find myself to fall somewhere in the middle of the two of you as far as what I've been shown on this.  :winkgrin:

As far as Him being in all men, He showed me that to be the case. They are holding the Truth in UNrighteousness (no knowledge of Him), the Word IS Truth, and He is the Word made FLESH (all flesh or natural substance, not just His body of old). For this reason, He is also the light of ALL men that come into the world, but the darkness (in man) comprehended it not.

The first thing He gave me on this, really stunned me. He quickened to me that the two trees were in the MIDST of the garden, and that those two trees were also represented as the candlestick and the table of shewbread in the inner court, which is in the MIDST of the tabernacle pattern. The inner court is also typified as the firmament.

What hit me then, was that if that was the midst of the garden of God, and knowing that ALL mankind was represented in the outer court (because it is under the firmament/inner court), then if the whole thing was His garden, then that meant those in the outer court were His as well.

So if you understand that the Christ is the Word resurrected, and that that Word resides in us, then you understand why He would tell us to AWAKE and shake off the dust and Christ will give us light. Blessings.....

[HartleyIrvinDamboiseII]

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