Under Condemnation

[lomarah]

11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

Has anyone done a study on this word, condemned? I have no time but it's something I have been wanting to look into for ages. If someone has done any research I would love to hear it. Thanks all.  :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

Gotta look this up later but it means something like: prove someone to be wrong

[lomarah]

Yeah a lot of the translations say "he was in the wrong" or something similar to that. I want to do a word study on it but golly it's hard to find time to do ANYTHING.

[WhiteWings]

Condemnation doesn't always have the same underlaying Greek word.
But the words have  aquite similar meaning.
κρίμα
krima
Thayer Definition:
1) a decree, judgments
2) judgment
2a) condemnation of wrong, the decision (whether severe or mild) which one passes on the faults of others
2b) in a forensic sense
2b1) the sentence of a judge
2b2) the punishment with which one is sentenced
2b3) condemnatory sentence, penal judgment, sentence
3) a matter to be judicially decided, a lawsuit, a case in court
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G2919
Citing in TDNT: 3:942, 469




κρίσις
krisis
Thayer Definition:
1) a separating, sundering, separation
1a) a trial, contest
2) selection
3) judgment
3a) opinion or decision given concerning anything
3a1) especially concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong
3b) sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment
4) the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)
5) right, justice
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: perhaps a primitive word
Citing in TDNT: 3:941, 469

Oxford and Merraim Webster give an interesting defnition: Turning point

crisis

1.1 Pathol. The point in the progress of a disease when an important development or change takes place which is decisive of recovery or death; the turning-point of a disease for better or worse; also applied to any marked or sudden variation occurring in the progress of a disease and to the phenomena accompanying it.

†2.2 Astrol. Said of a conjunction of the planets which determines the issue of a disease or critical point in the course of events. (Cf. critical 4.)

3.3 transf. and fig. A vitally important or decisive stage in the progress of anything; a turning-point; also, a state of affairs in which a decisive change for better or worse is imminent; now applied esp. to times of difficulty, insecurity, and suspense in politics or commerce.

†4.4 Judgement, decision. Obs.

†5.5 A point by which to judge; a criterion, token, sign. Obs.

6.6 attrib. and Comb.

Main Entry:cri£sis
Pronunciation:*kr*-s*s
Function:noun
Inflected Form:plural cri£ses  \*kr*-*s*z\
Etymology:Middle English, from Latin, from Greek krisis, literally, decision, from krinein to decide — more at  CERTAIN
Date:15th century

1 a : the turning point for better or worse in an acute disease or fever  b : a paroxysmal attack of pain, distress, or disordered function  c : an emotionally significant event or radical change of status in a person's life  *a midlife crisis*
2 : the decisive moment (as in a literary plot)
3 a : an unstable or crucial time or state of affairs in which a decisive change is impending;  especially   : one with the distinct possibility of a highly undesirable outcome  *a financial crisis*  b : a situation that has reached a critical phase  *the environmental crisis*
synonyms see JUNCTURE

[WhiteWings]

Condemnation is a turning point. Well the negative side of it.
Judgement is a more balanced word.

In most cases also the KJV translates it as judgement


a display of the just judging of God, to deem you worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering also,

[anna274]

Hi WW:  once again, you have added some very valuable information to my ongoing study of "words"....   Thanks... again!!!

Now I'm very interested in learning more about the word "reconciliation"?  How does it fit (or not fit) with "turning point"?

God bless, anna

[WhiteWings]

I got a very nice article on that somewhere on this forum.
Gonna look for it. Stay tuned.

[WhiteWings]

I got a very nice article on that somewhere on this forum.
Gonna look for it. Stay tuned.

One  article on the main site: http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/reconciliation.htm
More in this thread: http://tentmaker.org/forum/word-studies/conciliation-and-reconciliation/msg67180/#msg67180
The turning point is that we accept the offer.

[anna274]

Thanks... I've quickly looked at both and will be printing them both...  so the ink cartridge company, the paper manufacturers, and I are grateful... we'll ALL stay in business a while longer... my business being ongoing study of the Scriptures...using hard copies. 

God bless, anna

[lomarah]

Thanks Wings. You are such a blessing.  :HeartThrob:

Interesting stuff to consider.

[peacemaker]

"A spanking!"

An expression of disapproval.

[eaglesway]

From some notes out of a study I have done on Judgement and Condemnation

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment(krisis) with this generation, and shall condemn(katakrino) it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
(Mat 12:41)

"Condemn" occurs 12 times in the NT in the KJV. Katakrino(negatively discern) 7 times, katadikazo(pronounce guilty) 2 times, katainosko(find fault) 2 times and katakrisis(negatively sentence) 1 time

And this is the condemnation(krisis), that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
(Joh 3:19)

Krisis is defined in Strongs as "subjectlively or objectively for or against". Therefore, the word "condemnation" is misleading in John 3:19.

It should read something like , "And this is the (paraphrase) discerning element  that has come into the world.....


Condemnation, in the KJV, is the greek word 'krima'-12 times. That same word is translated "damnation" 7 times, "judgment" 7 times, and "go to law" once.

krima (28 times), "decision"- typically the result of a negative discernment/judgment

krima is translated as "judgement", "condemnation" and "damnation" interchangeably- which leads to a lot of confusion, because it throws the negative into all the other usages of judge and judgment, even though they are often "krino" - which is not negative, it is objective.


"Judgment" occurs 74 times in the KJV NT. Unfortunately it is a wide variety of Greek words with many different meanings- hence more confusion. gnome(mind); krisis(sentence), krima(discern and render sentence); katakrima(a negative/punitive sentence; diakaioma (right judgment); and several more

krino (98 times)  used as objective judgment before a tribunal, go to law, discern, weigh in the balance- "judge".... a few times "condemn"; "determine"; "conclude"; "called in question";

Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged(krino) of these things before me?


Act 26:8  Why should it be thought(krino) a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?   

As you can see  krino is not negative.

Act 27:1  And when it was determined(krino) that we should sail into Italy......

Rev 18:20  Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged(krino krima) you on her.
Coupled with krima this means "rendered justice" and is metaphoric of balancing her iniquities perpetrated upon you by a just sentence for correction


Coupled with good ol kata,krima becomes negative. katakrima means judged against or discerned as not righteous or correct and is only used three times in Romans

krisis is almost always rendered "judgment", but as it refers to the Day of "Judgment" it is not always negative, but is used to some extent negatively because it presents the danger of being found guilty and sentenced.
Better not to "judge" lest you be "judged"." As you judge so shall you be judged."

Mat 23:33  Ye serpents ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation(krisis) of hell?(geena)

Although it is apparently terribly negative here it really is saying

"You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the judgment/exposure of gehenna". In other words, it is much more in keeping with Pauls sayings on the fire that will burn up the wood hay and stubble in the light/fire of the Day.....than proof text for an eternal hell.  The garbage gets burned in gehenna. Your garbage(darkness) will be exposed and consumed by the light/fire of Gehenna- a symblic appellation(imo) for the lake of fire which is before the throne of God for the judgment (discernment/exposure/correction) of the adversaries, until they bow before the love of God and God becomes all in all.

In Mat 23:33 krisis is  not in itself negative until it exposes that which will bring the "geena pur" which will be negative for a time until its work is complete.

Krisis is however more consistently used with negative conseqiences than krino.
Krisis is more perhaps "discerned and rendered" or "judged before law" than krino which is frequently purely objective or positive in nature, like "I decided to go".

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never(ou aphesis eis aion- no forgiveness in this age/world)forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal(aionios-age during or olam(indefinite till accomplished) damnation(krisis):
(Mar 3:29)

....in danger of eternal(aionian) damnation(krisis)   In Mk 3:29 Jesus is holding out the distinctly negative prospect of facing "olam"(hebrew) but.......

An appropriate transliteration would be

But he that shall blashpheme against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness in this age and is in danger of the aionian tribunal(Great White Throne/LOF).

katadikazo

Judge(krino) not, and ye shall not be judged;(krino) condemn(katadikazo) not, and ye shall not be condemned:(katadikazo) forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
(Luk 6:37)
Here you have judge and condemned- krino- judge...then katadikazo which specifically means to cast a negative sentence upon someone.

Ths KJV translaters were very indiscriminate in mixing these words as if it didnt matter if they used "damned", "judged", "determined", "concluded", "condemned" , because they were interpreting their religion into the Bible under the administrative command of the king's court and the state church of the day.

[lomarah]

Oh wow, thank you eaglesway!

Yes, the translating of our Bibles has been questionable, that's for sure... 

Very informative, thanks again!