The Incorruptible Seed

[Kept]

I think we come in touch with our oneness with God in Christ and that sparks all these different views and the confusion

That place of connectedness becoming the center of our lives without the occasional look in the mirror as James says and we can walk away and forget what kind of man we are. There is a balance there to me in the center

I have been so caught up in the Spirit to that place of oneness where all I could see was God, therefore my own understanding said 'all there is really is God, therefore I ended up a panthiest for a while, then my pendalum swung a little more and I ended in panenthiesm which to me still has a lot of truth that I am allowed to keep if you will from that experiance'

but at one point I suddenly saw my whole experiance from another angle and there I was smack dab in the midst of the temptation and like King Neb I found myself repenting

anyhoo just my own experiances with this

dont want to get into too much though as I have walked away from sharing much on this anymore as I really feel that these experiances are valuable to us and its not my place to hinder anothers experaince if you know what i mean

kept

[Jotham]

Cardinal, thanks for taking the time to post this article. It is actually the article/post that brought me to this forum (i just joined today). I've downloaded it to my PDAphone and can read it on the go over the next few days and see what comes of it for myself.

Bleesings,
Thom

[Loveroftruth]

Welcome Jotham !!! Seems you got past welcome central - you can run but you cant hide  :mlaugh: :mlaugh::bgdance: :dsunny: :welcome: :newb: :angelharp: :grouppray: :friendstu: :cheerleader: :drummer:

[Hennessey]

Isnt our whole walk about figuring out we are not God  :dontknow:

That one had me rolling on the floor and now my face hurts.

:thumbsup:   Righteo sister ......... oh, the paradoxes of the Kingdom!   

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  Notice that Gary Sigler said, "We have all seen it, people running around declaring to be God, but it is just ridiculous. That's not what I'm talking about." For the record, I'm pretty sure I'm not, either..... :winkgrin:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I'm going to re-post what God gave ME on this, in this thread, bear with me. I took a nap this morning after posting this (I still have to read it all myself), not really sure if I should post it or not, and He gave me a dream. It was simple. I just watched Him walk thru the compartments of the tabernacle pattern, changing garments as He went. I got to feel His joy for that space of time, which considering all I'm going thru right now in the natural, is a REALLY big deal........


:cloud9: All of creation is waiting on the manifestation of the sons of God, that's true.  And the word manifestation there means, of course, to uncover or reveal. But what is actually to be revealed or uncovered? It's not the Christ, for He has been revealed in varying degrees for 2 days now , the 2 days of the inner court realm of Pentecost. Christ is a many membered body that is Spirit, and it is Christ that is/are the son(s), the seed of the Father. So who is it then, that all of creation is waiting to have uncovered?

   :cloud9: God the Father was IN Christ, reconciling all men unto Himself. Christ is the  seed that COVERS the Father, and it is THIS uncovering of the true spiritual sons of God of the Father, that all of creation is waiting for. This is why it says that unless a grain (seed) of wheat fall to the ground and die, it abideth alone, ie. without the fullness of the Father, too, in full manifestation.

  :cloud9: We, are not the sons; the flesh profiteth nothing. This is why there are sons/Christ raising up, that are according to the flesh, both male and female. There is terrestrial flesh, and there is celestial flesh, and it is the celestial flesh of the Christ that must be laid down as it is that seed that beareth fruit after it's own kind, because it's own kind is the FATHER. What we sow, we reap. This is why if we sow the flesh (ours) we only reap corruption, but if we sow the Christ seed, His flesh, we reap incorruption of the Father, the everlasting life!

  :cloud9: The Christ seed, if you will, is the life that covers the everlasting life of the Father within. It is everything He has given us in this inner court experience, that literally forms what is Christ in us. The gifts, the titles, even the doctrines must be laid down as crowns at His feet. THIS IS the circumcision of Abraham, the father of our faith, who was declared righteous because of the SEAL of circumcision. Abraham was called to leave country (the land/earth you are comfortable in/your comfort zone), kindred (who are my brethren? those that do the will of my Father), and his father's house (carnal mind or the carnal minds you are submitted to), and lay his promised seed, his only begotten son of promise, on the altar.

:cloud9: We are called to do only what we see our Father do, and He laid His only begotten son, the Christ on the altar, too. Christ IS the firstfruits offering! This is why it says you can't have the Son without the Father, nor the Father without the son, for each comes to REVEAL/UNCOVER the other.

  :cloud9: Hebrews 10 tells us the tabernacle is the pattern of things in the heavenly realms. The tabernacle had TWO partitions. The first, represents the veil of our terrestrial "flesh" that is "rent" when we go from the outer court experience of initial salvation to the inner court experience of the inner court/baptism of the Holy Spirit, as we partake of true communion, the bread/word eaten in the light of the candlestick/ wine to the renewing of our mind. Those that hunger (bread) and thirst (wine) for righteousness shall be filled (with the fullness of God the Father=Holy of Holies experience).

  :cloud9: Christ apportioned Himself to us in the inner court realm of Pentecost in gifts, titles, ect. and as great as it's been, it is still only a portion, the earnest of our
inheritance. We laid down our flesh, our "veil" to enter into the Christ, and it is this veil that is done away with when we are no longer under the letter of the law that killeth, but under subjection to and IN the Christ, for the strength of the law is sin but if the flesh is "dead" then we are no more debtors to the law.

  :cloud9: We "died", (if we have appropriated it) if you will, and were resurrected into the SPIRIT of Christ. Christ laid down His flesh, which is celestial flesh, to enter into the Father, because flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God (represented as Holy of Holies). This is the second resurrection, and the rending of the SECOND veil, that is between the inner court and the Holy of Holies, which is the flesh of Him, that we must lay down. Blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection (rending of our veil to enter into Christ), upon whom the second death (laying down the flesh of Him-rending the second veil) will have no effect.

  :cloud9: If we die with Him (the Christ seed), then shall we also be raised with Him, into the presence of God the Father. Positionally, we received it, but not experientially, because we could not, for the time had not come---until now. So the promise therefore is IN Isaac/Christ/ the flesh of Him being rent/laid down, not in Ishmael/the flesh of us being rent, for our life is hid IN Christ, and that life that is hid is the Father. For if Christ the Spirit had not risen then we would be as those that have no hope. Why? Because if the Christ had not ascended to the Father, then neither would we able to, because there is only one mediator between man and the Father and that is the Christ.

  :cloud9: The promise is the FATHER, who is IN Christ reconciling all men unto Himself. Ever wonder why when He arose He still had the marks? It was so we would
know we could lay down the FLESH of HIM and still live, for it was not just the natural marks they were looking at, but the marks of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world, for flesh and blood (terrestrial) cannot enter the kingdom of God. First natural, then spiritual. But He has flesh and He has blood and it was this that went thru walls and ascended to the Father, when THAT veil was rent. This is why the Holy GHOST was not given until after He ascended to the Father. A ghost is a spirit that has lived in a body. A HOLY GHOST is one that has lived in a HOLY BODY, i.e.. the CHRIST body/veil that the FATHER lived/lives in, therefore that veil had to be rent as well, for He said if I don't go away (the celestial flesh of the Christ that was risen), another comforter will not come to you.

  :cloud9: The "another comforter" that is to come to us in the FULLNESS IN US, IS THE
FATHER, as the Holy GHOST. Job lost everything the Lord God had given to him, which represented the flesh of the Christ, at the hand of the LORD, but that is the requirement for the double portion, for Job received double. Job said in the beginning I heard of God with mine ears (inner court) experience of hearing Him thru the gifts, but NOW I see Him with mine eyes. We are changed by what we perceive from glory to glory, thru the mind of Christ. It is our carnal fleshly nature to want to hang onto the FRUIT (gifts and callings)  that looks so good to the lust of the flesh of our "Eve", but He was marred so badly so that none should desire Him. None desire us out here in the wilderness. We appear backslidden at best.

  :cloud9: Laying down the flesh of Him, looks bad to the lust of the eyes. That's why when He told the disciples the manner in which He should die, many left Him that same hour. Taking on the image of sinful flesh is not pretty, not something the lust of the eyes covets. But Elijah, a type of the Christ, told Elisha what the requirement for receiving the double portion was; if you see (perceive thru the mind of Christ) the FLESH OF ME leave, then you shall have it.

  :cloud9: The veil was made of GOAT'S hair and linen (image of sinful flesh) and about 9(9 speaks of the fullness of His love manifested as the Christ=9 gifts, 9 fruits) inches thick. Only the hand of God the Father can rend this veil of the Christ, because no man can come to the Father except the Father call him. In Song of Sol. it says thou hast DOVE'S EYES (the only thing left in this flesh is the mind/perception of Christ within this image of sinful flesh) within thy locks (hair=glory) ; thy hair is as a flock of GOATS, that appear from mount Gilead. The word appear there means to caper as a GOAT.

  :cloud9: Gilead is a region EAST (kings come from the east) of the JORDAN (past the death of the first veil of flesh), and comes from root word that means something ROLLED away, heap of stones (lively stones=the Christ in each one), by analogy a SPRING of WATERS (He comes with a voice of many waters). This is why Gideon laid TWO offerings on the altar--one a cake, and one a kid (male goat). We must see Him as He is to be conformed into His image from glory to glory. Has He given you dove's eyes so that you can see Him as the image of sinful flesh, and thereby be changed into that glory? Do you see Him as the veil of goat's hair/linen that must be rent/flesh of Him laid down, to reveal the Father inside?

:cloud9: When Jesus said "I am the resurrection AND the life", it was because He heard the FATHER speak this. The Father is the resurrection and the life! The Father also said, "I stand at the door and knock, and if any man will hear my voice (inner court) and OPEN (rend the veil) the door, then I (the Father) will come in and sup with him and him with Me." Christ, the Son, seed of God, is the door that must be opened. Open there runs into a meaning of opening the EYES. Father, open the eyes of our understanding, that we may see You as you are now, and dance/cavort as David did when He was stripped of the garments YOU had given him. The garments He gave us are anything not of ourselves, but of Christ who dwells within us and upon us. Blessings......

[Cardinal]

 :angelharp: :violin: :first: :welcome: :newb: :hithere: :Peace:  Welcome Jotham! Blessings to you......