Is Elijah coming or has he already came

[CHB]

I have read articles that say Elijah is suppose to come and restore all things before Christ returns in the future. All of the scriptures I read point to the fact that he has already come, back in 70AD. Jesus said that John was Elijah. I know he meant that John was a type, not that he was actually Elijah. All of the scriptures seem to point to John being the Elijah to come.  I think this has already been fulfilled. Was wondering what you all thought?

CHB

[sheila]

 :2c:   EL[LORD] I-Jah..is coming...the spirit of Elijah is God. Hecomes to restore what Judas priests,false prophets,robbers and theives

  have done toHiswrecked HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL MEN.  Many many falseprophets,false-christs and false elijahs..out there.

     just asin Elijah's day the people were confused ofjust who the  REAL GODis.prophets of Baal,groves andasherah poles and that

Jezebel[Babylon confusion causing his people to eat doctrines sacrificed to idols]play their role.


   God Himself is coming and He will certainly straighten out this mess of truth mixed with lies in all churches,religions and men's minds .

   like Elijah in His day He will put to death all false prophecies..with His salvation word[SWORD] some of which you already know..

such as ET  in hellfire[teachings of Baal to burn God 's children in fire]


    He must come in the power of ELIJAH...the 'TRUE SAYINGS OF GOD" are the 'Wedding supper"..the other evening meal is unclean

  spirits[birds eating dead men's flesh-doctrines of demons/doctrines of men..who teach commandments of men]where the dead

body is there the vultures will be gathered.[man held in honour,without understanding is  as the beast that perish]


   the two wittnesses..the WORD OF GOD and the testimony of the Holy spirit was put to death in sodom and Egypt..overcome by

carnal/beast/false prophet thinking........[the saints wereover come..the dragon trampling them under his feet]

the  gospel caused to STINK!!!


Until the Ancient of Days come...and a breath of life entered them andthey stood upon their feet. Then avoice was heard...COME UP

HERE[for my thoughts are higher then your thoughts]


   

[anti_nietzsche]

Sometimes the bible is contradictory in this. When John the Baptist was asked if he is Elijah, he said he is not. But Jesus later said he would be Elijah, so it must be seen in the light of Jesus words and the solution is to see that John denied to be the REBORN Elijah. Instead he is a type, like you said. Furthermore, John the Baptist only came for Israel and his baptism was only for Jews. Jesus is for the whole world - the whole world is Israel now. The christian religion and in certain ways also all other religions, are Jesus' domain and so Jesus is not only the Messiah for the Jews and Christians but also for buddhists, muslims, atheists, hindus, everyone really. He saves all of us and is the Savior of mankind. Christianity is not supposed to be a religion but instead an interest and discipleship group where Jesus is known and where love rules life. When love does not rule christianity it is nothing. God in his humility has said that love is even more than faith. Elijah came to turn parents to children and children to parents, according to OT prophecy. I think that in our time there will come reconciliation. Christianity's past thoughts on its importance and value and righteousness have been proven dubious. We have believed in things like hellfire for others. In that way, the fullness of truth and love cannot come to us. What I personally had to learn though is that fighting and battling for UR does not help. I must love ET people too and need to overcome the evil of hellfire beliefs with something good. Love is that means and I need to fill it with spirit and light to touch people with Christ's humility and life giving power.

[CHB]

Sometimes the bible is contradictory in this. When John the Baptist was asked if he is Elijah, he said he is not. But Jesus later said he would be Elijah, so it must be seen in the light of Jesus words and the solution is to see that John denied to be the REBORN Elijah. Instead he is a type, like you said. Furthermore, John the Baptist only came for Israel and his baptism was only for Jews. Jesus is for the whole world - the whole world is Israel now. The christian religion and in certain ways also all other religions, are Jesus' domain and so Jesus is not only the Messiah for the Jews and Christians but also for buddhists, muslims, atheists, hindus, everyone really. He saves all of us and is the Savior of mankind. Christianity is not supposed to be a religion but instead an interest and discipleship group where Jesus is known and where love rules life. When love does not rule christianity it is nothing. God in his humility has said that love is even more than faith. Elijah came to turn parents to children and children to parents, according to OT prophecy. I think that in our time there will come reconciliation. Christianity's past thoughts on its importance and value and righteousness have been proven dubious. We have believed in things like hellfire for others. In that way, the fullness of truth and love cannot come to us. What I personally had to learn though is that fighting and battling for UR does not help. I must love ET people too and need to overcome the evil of hellfire beliefs with something good. Love is that means and I need to fill it with spirit and light to touch people with Christ's humility and life giving power.

I agree with what you said especially the last part about loving people who believe in ET. There are those who believe in UR but they also believe that there will come an Elijah before Christ returns. I use to think this also but am beginning to think that Elijah has already come in 70AD. Was trying to get different views on this.  These are just my thoughts.

CHB

[Ross]

I.M.O a key observation/point is made by Christ Himself;

Matt 11;14,15 " And if you are willing to accept it,
                  HE IS ELIJAH WHO IS TO COME.
                  He who has ears, let him hear."

Mark 9;13 " But I say to you,
                                        ' that Elijah has indeed come, and they did whatever they wished,
                                          JUST AS IT IS WRITTEN OF HIM."

* The point made by Christ seems to indicate that only the ecclesia will be seeing this point, the rest will be  blinded- just like Israel was blinded so that Christ could complete the mission; and so that  no man can take one iota of credit for any part of the plan.

[darryl]

I.M.O a key observation/point is made by Christ Himself;


* The point made by Christ seems to indicate that only the ecclesia will be seeing this point, the rest will be  blinded- just like Israel was blinded so that Christ could complete the mission; and so that  no man can take one iota of credit for any part of the plan.

good point...they are blinded....I think about this often, why most people cannot see....the traditional doctrine of eternal torment doesnt help of course...that turns many off the Gospel...but that doesn't account for all of it...as you say, maybe God has blinded people so nobody can take credit for His wonderful plan of salvation...good point !.

[rosered]

I have read articles that say Elijah is suppose to come and restore all things before Christ returns in the future. All of the scriptures I read point to the fact that he has already come, back in 70AD. Jesus said that John was Elijah. I know he meant that John was a type, not that he was actually Elijah. All of the scriptures seem to point to John being the Elijah to come.  I think this has already been fulfilled. Was wondering what you all thought?

CHB

Hi CHB ,

Great question !
Seeing some great answers to .
If the whole world sits in darkness  , till the Light  comes , even  John in the Spirit of Elijah , saying he was not the Light

  but the friend of the  Bridegroom , what  we call.'' best man ''in western  tradition , preparing   for the DAY of   HOLY union .

   I have aways considered    for a long time now ,   God always sent a messenger , a Spirit with some powerful truth , to warn 

what
  was going to happen before hand ...........So none could say  they were without  some kind of knowledge of truth .  The old testament was full of those come and killed doing   just as the Lord asked them  to do bearing the heat of the Day  , we even saw Jonas    corrected  by the Lord  though suffering     when He wanted Nineveh = "offspring of ease: offspring abiding"

the capital of the ancient kingdom of Assyria   to  get  judged , but God had the plan  , not Jonas  ..

The Spirit of Elijah    is always   .
Just as   the resurrection[Jesus Christ ]  is always .  past , present and future  Spirit of Truth .

For me ,it is  a continual  Word of Truth,  as  well as a warning to prepare yourselves   for what is to come .

  The Spirit of prophecy .

Taking into consideration   GODS WORD of the old testament fulfilling  ,

a  flying scroll  in Malachi 4 ,  as to restore  or heal   or   set it for destruction , suffering  to learn obedience
that house [land ]   or    to divide   on one side of the  flying  scroll   , the  liar     and the other side the   thief    striking the   house / body / land with a curse  , and what it all consist of .  Zech 5.  Babylons   curse  to   rising up  off the blood  of the  law and prophets  drunk on the blood  of the holy ones full of violence  ,  a murderous [queen of heaven ]  Jer 7  and 44   the great whore of the earth and her daughters  [not permitted for a woman to teach ]   and fall  in one hour , with stones and of  fire ., not one left upon the other .

Can you see the Cross of Jesus Christ in  that ? 

One side of the Risen Christ   and   than  the other side ,as a promise  kept to the fathers .  one is done away with  entirely   and spoken  of no more the old man of sin and the new man  promised   TODAY  being with the Lord of glory in paradise . 

  Or Jesus   speaking to  anyone  reading  Matt  12  or Luke 11   

An Unclean Spirit Returns   
24When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.

Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.'

25On its return, it finds the house swept clean and put in order.  [spirit  of Elijah   come and prepared for the presence of the Lord to dwell ] ,  promise of the fathers

26Then it goes and brings seven other spirits more evil than itself,

and they go in and dwell there. And the final plight of that man is worse than the first."...[ Babylons curse    is upon that ones house ]

Rev  17     the  7 angels are to  pour out the  7 vials to destroy     the  7 wicked spirits   that dwell in the house  and the smoke and rising    is the  set till it   finished   .

no one can enter the temple till    Gods work is complete  Rev 15 Preparation for Judgment
...7Then one of the four living creatures gave the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God,

who lives forever and ever.

8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

All evil will be destroyed  by the work of the Lords doings   , He will not tolerate any  evil being  present  , He wants to  dwell in a clean house    with a clean temple and you are that temple of the Lords presence .

1Cor 3 You are God's Temple


15If it is burned up,

he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as one being snatched from the fire.

16Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him;

for God's temple is holy, and you are that temple....

If the Kingdom of God is come  near us   and  even within us  ,   we  cannot look any   place outside of   ourselves     for God

to be  , it   has become  personal    at that point .

So we are not to be  taken like a thief in the night when this happens , but be prepared for some  pretty awesome things to begin to happen , we have been  fore warned  of such things   to take place .

  God bless   .......

[rosered]

  I just thought of this , not if  , but when Jesus comes to destroy  the works of the devil    in you , in the world  ,

was not Babylon  one of the devils  biggest lies and deception , robber of God and thief , liar and   killer  for a long time  coming ..  [ Gen 11 ]


1 John 3 ;8

YLT   he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

Love reigns supreme !!



3 See how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are!


But the people who belong to this world don't recognize that we are God's children because they don't know him.


2 Dear friends, we are already God's children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is.


3 And all who have this eager expectation will keep themselves pure, just as he is pure.

4 Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.


5 And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him.


6 Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin.

But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.

[marie glen]

 :Chinscratch: Something Rose said.. I hadn't realized how John was the groomsman.. the one who before the bridegroom cries out "the bridegroom cometh" when the bridegroom is on his way to gather to himself the bride..

I hadn't realized until recently JUST HOW MUCH it all is patterned after that! We know of course the believers/followers are the bride.. and Jesus the groom. How He comes and will gather His bride at His return, but I hadn't realized HOW TOTAL a pattern it is..

That the groom at betrothal (deeper, more bonding than our engagement) leaves the bride and returns to his father's house to prepare a dwelling for the bride - which was an extension built onto the father's house..

The Father was the one who said when the dwelling was ready, then the groom would return for his bride.. the maidens (which are virgins/unmarried) waited with lamps ready to go.. and when they heard the groom's man's voice "the bridegroom comes!" they would light their lamps and join the procession. No one could join the procession without a lamp..

The bride goes out to meet the groom and is gathered onto a platform (a step up) and so is she ever with the groom..

They go to the wedding feast..

At, or before betrothal the father of the groom comes and pays a bride price.. a price for the bride.. not hard to se Jesus' first advent coincides with this.. the bride price or price paid for the bride.. He goes away to "prepare a place for her in Hus Father's house"..

So, I guess I'm thinking there will be the spirit of the groomsman, crying, "the brides groom is coming!"

It's too bad we have a ton of groomsmen - in sense - crying wolf!

All the date setters etc.. Not that there aren't signs, harbingers, landmarks.. tho usually not meaning imminent.

... lots of fair warning..(?)

I wouldn't really expect a particular person. Unless it's one of the two witnesses? There's a witness involved with an ancient Hebrew wedding, but I don't remember how..

But if we should see on the news two prophets, preachers bodies left lying dead on the street somewhere (in Israel/ Jerusalem?) it may be time to look up? That the final battle is close (of H'Armageddon).. lately wondering just how fiery it might be.. how big of an earthquake..

But no matter what flood(s) in our days.. Jesus is the ark! We work to invite others to get onboard. And UR is a much better "glad tidings, good news" ..more palatable.. easier to digest than what is not true.  "My sheep head my voice and will it listen to (will not hear?) the voice of a stranger" - the voice of untruth.. (A little leaven, untruth? Can leaven the whole lump? - make it non digestible?)
:2c: :Peace2:

[sheila]

Behold the Lamb..that takes away alltheir sin!!!!!!..the message[great body of the 'Word of God"Lo! I come..in the volume of the

book itis writtenof me!.It is the direct 'wordsof God..Jesus[I say and do only what the Father shows me] and the Holy spirit that are the

two wittnesses.   In sacrifice and offering you did notdelight..but in mercy[old covenant sacrifice/offering]

thrown out of the wedding supper for being attired in 'strange'clothing[no wedding garment]  strange fire offered unto God..and no wedding garment is the same thing. doctrines of demons..teaching of commandments of men etc.such as hellfire et/ed doctrines

make men reject the salvation of allmen...and they refuse to eat/join in the celebration and party[just like the eldersons got offended

at the dancing/joy/ of the prodigals being welcomed home]

   the wedding garment...granted to be clothed in clean white linen..without spot or wrinkle=sins blotted out..sin accusations not

  applied due to atonement blood[He give himself up for her so as to present her spotless and without blemish] wedding supper...

  TRUE SAYINGS OF GOD[there be many false sayins etc...'you have heard it said....but I say"]


ps  the passover Lamb for ALL MEN TO DELIVER THEM FROM BONDAGE FROM THE PRINCE  OF THIS WORLD.


re; but the people of this world don't recognize we are God's children because they don't know Him.  may I add to that this,

    that many do not recognize that allmen belong to Him..prodigal sons/daughters or not......and many do not know Him half as well

   as they think they do..   BUT.....THEY WILL ALL KNOW ME WHEN I TAKE AWAY ALL THEIR SIN!  BEHOLD..THE LAMB OF GOD

  THAT TAKES AWAY ALL..ALLL...ALLLL.ALLL!!!!! THEIR SIN.  How's that for breaking upthe works of the devil?


  Our High Priest in the order of Melchezedek.......who bore our sin unto the cross..inthe final ACT..will confess all sin onto the head

  of AZAZEL'S GOAT!!!!! scapegoat...and he will go forth into the uninhabitable place and NEVER ENTER THE HOLY CITY!...

However,unto mankind He and the Bride say..'Come and take life's water free!"....


this is the Elijah that was for to come..if you can accept this.  For sure..Elijah has come and they did all they pleased tohim..and Elijah

must come again[before His return]

    the Holy Spirit must convince the world that SIN IS A DEMON..that THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD IS JUDGED...AND THAT

RIGHTEOUSNESS IF A FREE GIFT CONFERRED ON ALL MEN THROUGH HIS SON[the free gift of righteousness through one man]

   hows that for breaking up all the works of the devil?  sin entered through one man........... :girlheart:

[marie glen]

 :thumbsup:  AMEN!  :thumbsup:

[CHB]

Thank you all for your wonderful answers, I pray there are more.

CHB