BORN OF A VIRGIN

[sheila]

  Born of  a virgin is synomanous? with being born from above..or born,not of the will of man,but of the will of God.[i always do what pleases the Father,

  not my will,but thine be done]   A princess[Sarah] or virgin must 'bear' you. The symbol is a dove come down from heaven. A dove is all breast,and

signifies Father offering nurturance for spiritual growth from heaven. Ribs are symbolic of woman[spouse] the women telling the Goodnews are a large

army. The breast and thigh[SOS 7;1] portion are offered to the High Preist as His portion. They signify the ability to bring forth in the image of and to nurture offspring.


    Jerusalem Above,the free woman is our Mother. In Rev we see the Holy city coming down from heaven,dressed as a bride[the only daughter of her Mother]

Spiriually birthed children are her ornaments.T hese virgin spirits can be seen standing on Mt Zion,144,000,base number 12 of the New Jerusalem[the little one

shall become a thousand]  The woman in SOS gives a thousand shekels of silver to the Prince of Peace,and 200 for those who tend it's fruit.


   SOS 8;12  Solomon had a vineyard,he let it out to tenants,each was to bring for it's fruit a thousand shekels of silver. Of course Jesus told us many

parables of His vineyard and the goings on of it.They killed the son and heir to seize it for themselves. But her vineyard is hers to give the fruit thereof.


    Now,Sarah[princess] was seized at one time by a man for Abraham had said she is my sister/lest He be killed/for she was beautiful


The promised seed was to come through Sarah A thousand shekels of silver was given to Abraham to cover the offense against her[she was NOT touched]

  The Holy city vineyard brings 1200  silver shekels.    When the heir of the vineyard visits,He expects all of the fruit And this is All of the fruit...

when He takes away All of their sin

      Give unto Him all the fruit of His vineyard.....the Lamb of God the takes away all the sin of the world, He does appear again seperate from sin


   Many men[of error/sin] have seized the vineyard[church] of Christ,putting Him to death so that they may stand in His place.

For daring to touch her,he is as good as a dead man. The little sister with her breasts not grown[immature] Her brothers ask,'what shall we do for her,

  for the day she is spoken for?  If she is a wall,we will build TOWERS OF SILVER ON HER...IF SHE IS A DOOR WE WILL ENCLOSE HER WITH PANELS OF

  CEDAR

Man following is not something to be desired..yes,learn from your brothers,share with your Brothers,but follow the Holy spirit

[eaglesway]

If we follow the Spirit we shall wind up in koinonea since there is only One Spirit, One Body, One God.......Prophesy to the wind....  And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

(first fruits of the "anakephalaomai" Eph1:9,10, Gathering of all things into one in Christ)

[sheila]

    III Hermas  SimilitudeIX    v 26   and thy say to the men bringing the stones in,'abstain for your parts altogather from handing in the stones for

  the building,but place them by the tower,that the virgins may carry them through the gate,and hand them in for the building.

  For if they be not carried[bourne] in through the gate by the hands of these virgins,they can not change their colors,'Labour no't,say they,'in vain'


     v 92  And these virgins,who are they? sayeth he. 'They' sayeth he,'are HOLY SPIRITS"  AND NO MAN CAN OTHERWISE BE FOUND IN

    THE KINGDOM OF GOD,UNLESS THESE SHALL CLOTHE THEM WITH THEIR GARMENT,FOR IF THOU RECEIVE ONLY THE NAME,

  BUT RECEIVE NOT THE GARMET FROM THEM,THOUGH PROFITEST NOTHING


   FOR THESE VIRGINS ARE THE POWERS OF THE SON OF GOD[Luke 8;46]  IF,therefore tho bare the name,and bear not His power,thou shalt bbear

  His name to none effect



   ODES OF SOLOMON 33;1   Again,GRACE RAN,AND FORSOOK CORRUPTION,AND COME DOWN IN HIM TO BRING IT TO NOUGHT . AND HE

  DESTROYED PERDITION FROM BEFORE HIM AND DEVASTATED ALL IT'S ORDER. AND HE STOOD ON A LOFTY SUMMIT[REV 14;1]

  AND UTTERED HIS VOICE FROM ONE END OF THE EARTH TO ANOTHER,AND DREW TO HIM ALL THAT WOULD OBEY HIM,

  AND THERE DID NOT APPEAR,AS IT WERE,AN EVIL PERSON

  BUT THERE STOOD A PERFECT VIRGIN WHO WAS PROCLAIMING AND CALLING AND SAYING,"O'YE SONS OF MEN,RETURN YE,

  AND YE DAUGHTERS OF MEN,COME! AND FORSAKE THE WAY OF THAT CORRUPTION,AND DRAW NEAR UNTO ME,

  AND I WILL ENTER IN UNTO YOU,AND BRING YOU FORTH FROM PERDITION,AND MAKE YOU WISE IN THE WAYS OF TRUTH


   v 10  I AM YOUR JUDGE,AND THOSE WHO PUT ME ON SHALL NOT BE INJURED,BUT THEY SHALL POSSESS THE NEW WORLD

   THAT IS INCORRUPT[MATTHEW 22;12,13


   Rev 11;17      WE GIVE THANKS TO YOU,LORD GOD ALMIGHTY....BECAUSE YOU HAVE TAKEN YOUR GREAT POWER AND BEGUN TO REIGN

[lomarah]

WOOOOOO!!!  :Gclap: Hallelujah!

What is III Hermas  SimilitudeIX?

[sheila]

 those are part of the lost books..found when the dead sea scrolls were found.   A council of men decided to ban them from the 66 books of the bible

    there are many things in there written of the Holy spirit that helps clarify...ALL THINGS THAT PERTAIN UNTO CHRIST

   

[lomarah]

Huh. Interesting. Never heard of them!

[jabcat]

The book consists of five visions granted to Hermas, a former slave. This is followed by twelve mandates or commandments, and ten similitudes, or parables. It commences abruptly in the first person: "He who brought me up sold me to a certain Rhoda, who was at Rome. After many years I met her again, and began to love her as a sister." As Hermas was on the road to Cumae, he had a vision of Rhoda, who was presumably dead. She told him that she was his accuser in heaven, on account of an unchaste thought the (married) narrator had once had concerning her, though only in passing. He was to pray for forgiveness for himself and all his house. He is consoled by a vision of the Church in the form of an aged woman, weak and helpless from the sins of the faithful, who tells him to do penance and to correct the sins of his children.  wikipedia

?

[jabcat]

In parable 5, the author mentions a Son of God, as a virtuous man filled with a Holy "pre-existent spirit" and adopted as the Son.[4][original research?] In the 2nd century, adoptionism (the view that Jesus Christ was only a mortal man) was one of two competing doctrines about Jesus' true nature, the other being that he pre-existed as a divine spirit (Logos); Christ's identity with the Logos (Jn 1:1) was affirmed in 325 at the First Council of Nicaea.[5]  wikipedia

IF this is correct info (wiki can be questionable), then it sounds dubious to me and at least bears further research.   :2c:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: @ Sheila.....I can "hear" this part you've quoted here....

[lomarah]

Yes same here.

Would definitely be wary with what Jab quoted from Wiki though! (But like you said James, wiki is not always 100% correct so who knows!)

[jabcat]

 :bigGrin:  lo.

Yeah, I wanna be sure about what I'm "hearing".  I'll probably do a little more research.  If this info is accurate, it doesn't bear witness for me.  I really doubt a true prophet would have another Christian in heaven being their accuser.   :mshock:     

[thinktank]

In parable 5, the author mentions a Son of God, as a virtuous man filled with a Holy "pre-existent spirit" and adopted as the Son.[4][original research?] In the 2nd century, adoptionism (the view that Jesus Christ was only a mortal man) was one of two competing doctrines about Jesus' true nature, the other being that he pre-existed as a divine spirit (Logos); Christ's identity with the Logos (Jn 1:1) was affirmed in 325 at the First Council of Nicaea.[5]  wikipedia

IF this is correct info (wiki can be questionable), then it sounds dubious to me and at least bears further research.   :2c:

adoptionism sounds very similar to the philosophy of the antichrist spirit meitraya the false christ teacher/concept, who is allegedly spoken to individuals.
John warns about deceptive spirits and that we should test the spirits. Whereas in the past, i'd say about from industrial revolution to 1970-80s these type of things are scoffed at, but now believers must be aware not to be deceived by false spirits messengers of light, as often a scoffer is caught unaware by these spirits and could easily be deceived.
I still think though that these type of things are limited mostly to those who seek the spiritual path and are more open to receive answers from the unknown or divinity. But maybe in times to come, even hardened logical type people might receive visitations from beings who from what I have read always deny Jesus as the Son of God or come in the flesh.

[jabcat]

www.mercifultruth.com

:thumbsup:  on the link    http://mercifultruth.com/

[jabcat]

I thought that was you, Tank, but now I see it's our member Seth.  Anyway, good site.   :thumbsup:

[sheila]

 these books are like all other.It takes the Holy spirit to 'interpretate" what is meant. Indeed,when Jesus Christ came and laid down His life...

  the accusor of the brethern..that accuses day and night was cast out. ...and I beleive it was Jesus said ,'any man who even looks at a woman with

  lust..has already committed adultery in his heart"...also the 'adoption" of the Sons of God" needn't be a stumbling block..when you consider this

  given the power to become the sons of God....and we all are in union with Christ[one]

[sheila]

 also,sin sickness[adulterous heart] does make the church feeble Rev 2;22   by her teaching she  misleads my servants into sexual immorality..and

the eating of food sacrificed to idols,I have given her time to repent of her immorality,but she is unwilling,so I will cast her on a bed of suffering

and I will make those who committ adultery with her suffer intensely.   I will strike her children dead,then all the churches will know that

I am He who searches hearts and minds.   [Jezebel spirit/Babylon spirit, not to be tolerated..will result in spiritual feebleness

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: I was thinking about this principle the other day and I thought of how is it we can "hear" SOME fragments here and there of what the Spirit has deposited in others that are not of our fold.

Immediately, I was reminded that the King that was going to defile Sarah was given a dream from God's Spirit, Nebuchadnezzar was given a dream from God, Pharoah was given a dream from God, Pilate's wife was given a dream from God about Jesus, the Holy Ghost prophesied thru Saul in the OT, and thru Caiphais, the HIGH PRIEST at the time of the cross, and on and on. Perhaps our religious backgrounds have put God in a box about what He can and cannot do with unbelievers?

If you think about it, a dream is very "intimate" because it occurs inside the person. Hmmm.....

[sheila]

 Luke 11;23

       .......he who does not gather with me,scatters....gather the fragments that are left over..let nothing be wasted

[lomarah]

    III Hermas  SimilitudeIX    v 26   and thy say to the men bringing the stones in,'abstain for your parts altogather from handing in the stones for

  the building,but place them by the tower,that the virgins may carry them through the gate,and hand them in for the building.

  For if they be not carried[bourne] in through the gate by the hands of these virgins,they can not change their colors,'Labour no't,say they,'in vain'


     v 92  And these virgins,who are they? sayeth he. 'They' sayeth he,'are HOLY SPIRITS"  AND NO MAN CAN OTHERWISE BE FOUND IN

    THE KINGDOM OF GOD,UNLESS THESE SHALL CLOTHE THEM WITH THEIR GARMENT,FOR IF THOU RECEIVE ONLY THE NAME,

  BUT RECEIVE NOT THE GARMET FROM THEM,THOUGH PROFITEST NOTHING


   FOR THESE VIRGINS ARE THE POWERS OF THE SON OF GOD[Luke 8;46]  IF,therefore tho bare the name,and bear not His power,thou shalt bbear

  His name to none effect



   ODES OF SOLOMON 33;1   Again,GRACE RAN,AND FORSOOK CORRUPTION,AND COME DOWN IN HIM TO BRING IT TO NOUGHT . AND HE

  DESTROYED PERDITION FROM BEFORE HIM AND DEVASTATED ALL IT'S ORDER. AND HE STOOD ON A LOFTY SUMMIT[REV 14;1]

  AND UTTERED HIS VOICE FROM ONE END OF THE EARTH TO ANOTHER,AND DREW TO HIM ALL THAT WOULD OBEY HIM,

  AND THERE DID NOT APPEAR,AS IT WERE,AN EVIL PERSON

  BUT THERE STOOD A PERFECT VIRGIN WHO WAS PROCLAIMING AND CALLING AND SAYING,"O'YE SONS OF MEN,RETURN YE,

  AND YE DAUGHTERS OF MEN,COME! AND FORSAKE THE WAY OF THAT CORRUPTION,AND DRAW NEAR UNTO ME,

  AND I WILL ENTER IN UNTO YOU,AND BRING YOU FORTH FROM PERDITION,AND MAKE YOU WISE IN THE WAYS OF TRUTH


   v 10  I AM YOUR JUDGE,AND THOSE WHO PUT ME ON SHALL NOT BE INJURED,BUT THEY SHALL POSSESS THE NEW WORLD

   THAT IS INCORRUPT[MATTHEW 22;12,13


   Rev 11;17      WE GIVE THANKS TO YOU,LORD GOD ALMIGHTY....BECAUSE YOU HAVE TAKEN YOUR GREAT POWER AND BEGUN TO REIGN

Just read this again... gotta give it another WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!