One Day

[micah7:9]

Psa 90:4  For a thousand years in Thine eyes _ as yesterday, For it passeth on, yea, a watch by night.
2Pe 3:8  And this one thing let not be unobserved by you, beloved, that one day with the Lord _ as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day;

Using that formula, why is it that I read, that it is asuumed or presummed, that it will be a millinium(1,000 yrs) in Rev. 20:2-7, rather than a day?
As far as I can reason all of the 22 chapters of the Revelation of Jesus Christ took place in ONE DAY not a 1,000 yrs.  Rev 1:10  "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day.."
Or am I reasoning wrong? And I was very surprised to see that other than 2Pet. "a thousand years" is only used those 6 times (Rev.20:2-7) Is that not significant for something? I for myself believe that it is; and I do not believe it is a 1,000 yrs, I believe it is a day, and I will refer to Heb.3:13 and 15 as my cypher.
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Because a day to the Lord IS as a thousand years. He told Adam in the day you eat of it, you shall die. And he did die, but not that literal day, but just short of the 1000 year day. Blessings...

[micah7:9]

Ive always known and excepted that explanation, still do. Just is a little fuzzy in my studying, when I look at
Gen 1:5  and God calleth to the light `Day
Gen 2:4  These are births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;
Gen.2:17 "...for in the day of thine eating of it--dying thou dost die.'"
Psa 90:4  For a thousand years in Thine eyes are as yesterday
DAY H3117 yôm
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term)

I suppose its just me, words like trinity, rapture, secong coming, and millenium
seem to always rub me the wrong way when I study the Book and I dont read those words in the Book. Thanks for putting up with me. Peace and Love Through Jesus

[WhiteWings]

The Hebrew doesn't mean only day.


From Strong:
3117 ~Ay yowm {yome}
Meaning:  1) day, time, year 1a) day (as opposed to night) 1b) day (24 hour period) 1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1 1b2) as a division of time 1b2a) a working day, a day's journey 1c) days, lifetime (pl.) 1d) time, period (general) 1e) year 1f) temporal references 1f1) today 1f2) yesterday 1f3) tomorrow

[micah7:9]

I thought a day was 12 hours. Yours seems to be a 21st century take. Im just thinking
Strongs H3117
יום
yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

Joh 11:9  Jesus answered, `Are there not twelve hours in the day? if any one may walk in the day, he doth not stumble, because the light of this world he doth see;

[WhiteWings]

I thought a day was 12 hours.

Also.

1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)

[micah7:9]

Then a day is opposed to night and a day is 24 hours right? And it is not 12 hours?

[Beloved Servant]

John 11:

Young's Literal Translation
9 Jesus answered, 'Are there not twelve hours in the day? if any one may walk in the day, he doth not stumble, because the light of this world he doth see;


CLV
9 Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone should be walking in the day, he is not stumbling, for he is observing the light of this world.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Micah, I like the questioning.....that's what we're all doing. That's how we discover the "hidden" things. I'll post what He gave me on a "day" in a sec....Blessings...

[WhiteWings]

John 11:

Young's Literal Translation
9 Jesus answered, 'Are there not twelve hours in the day? if any one may walk in the day, he doth not stumble, because the light of this world he doth see;


CLV
9 Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone should be walking in the day, he is not stumbling, for he is observing the light of this world.

^KJVGen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: For your consideration....

There are 4 parts to the soul of man, not three (which is for some reason taught by many) which correspond to the 4 rivers that came out of the garden, the four corners of our earth (man was taken from the dust/earth).

The four parts are mind, will, emotions and desires. When He said He would call them out of the four corners of the earth, He also meant out of OUR ways to be centered into His ways, our new heart, the mind of Christ. These 4 become one AGAIN in Revelation, thru the processing of the walking out of the cross. The desire of all nations shall come, and is coming now.

There are four horns on the altar because of this, on which we are tied down with cords of love which cannot be broken. Horns mean power. These 4 horns, make up one of the crowns we must lay down (on the altar). The crowns had points or "horns"; each point or ray, (think of her crown in Rev.) meant that the one who wore it was given dominion over that kingdom, which is what the points stood for.

This is also why there were 4 watches in night, which were composed of 3 hours each, so 3 times 4 = 12, the twelve hours of darkness. So there are 4 parts to the nighttime/darkness of our souls.

The name/natures/life experiences of 12 tribes are part of the Christ that is formed in us; so are the name/natures/life experiences of the 12 apostles. What John saw took place IN THE TEMPLE. "Know ye not that ye are the temple of the Holy Ghost?"

These 2 (two is the number of witness) twelves, are the 24 elders around the throne. Our heart becomes His throne, when He is ruling in it completely. Interestingly, when you look up the word for elder, it runs into a meaning of "rays", as in rays of light, and horns, as above.

Those under the old covenant represent the 12 hours of darkness, for their light (the Christ) had not yet come. They are the walls/gates of of the city = the depth and height. The priests ate the shewbread and bread speaks of the Word. We are a priestly nation, a peculiar or chosen people, who are called to eat the bread in the light of the candlestick (the Spirit of Christ).

Each one of their names means something spiritually to us. For example, Judah means praise and it is in the inner court experience of the baptism in the Spirit, that we learn what it means to praise God thru our spirits. Simeon, means to hear, and it is also hear that we learn to listen for the voice of our Father.

The 12 apostles represent the 12 hours of light, and are the foundation of the city = width and breadth. 12 times 12 =144,000 which is the government of God established in the earth (Adam was taken from the dust of the earth) with the Christ, which is the Chief cornerstone.

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, IN EARTH, as it is in heaven. G-d changes the lump before He changes the whole; He doesn't change the world, then change the individuals. He changes the individuals from the inside out, THEN He will use them to change the world.

Together, with the light of the Christ, they make up the new DAY of the Lord (12 plus 12 = 24), when the day star arises in our hearts, to sit upon His throne in us. Another way to say it is, when He resurrects IN US, having put all powers and principalities IN US, under His feet (His foundation), IN US.

This is the full measure and stature of Christ. This soulish body is the tomb He lays in and we want this millstone, the carnal mind that has bound us to the works of the flesh governed over by the yoke of the law, to give up the ghost, so that the hand of God can move it out of it's place, breaking this, the last seal on the tomb, so that He can resurrect up out of the flesh of us. The last enemy to be overcome is DEATH.

This is why John lost his head. The Lord told me that He has been forming these natures of the Christ of these 24, and that they have been entering the ark, by TWO'S, and that John comes to bring Benjamin, the son of my right hand, the finishing work. John is the friend of the bridegroom because he hears the voice of the bridegroom, and his voice comes to do just what John the beloved, the revelator/the unveiler, did.

Which is; pronounce the judgments upon the flesh/church/soulish woman covering up the Christ/son, which is keeping the veil of this flesh from being rent, ie. the child from being born. Why is he the friend of the bridegroom? No greater LOVE than any man than this, that he lay down his life (the soulish life) for his friend. He said that he hears His voice and for this reasons his joy is full.

His joy is full because if the part of the Christ of John the beloved has been formed in us, then He can speak what needs to be spoken to RELEASE the Lord from our midst! Halleluah! The friend of the bridegroom comes to bring forth the bride, ie. the redeemed soul that He can come forth thru and in, the wheel within a wheel. Joy cometh in the morning, because the day star arises in the morning. It is righteous (outer court), peace (inner court) and joy (Holy of Holies).

For our ashes, He gives us beauty. The altar had a grate (corresponds to the lattice in Song of Sol. = in-part), and this is why those souls were stated to be UNDER the altar in Rev., crying not for vengance as the blood of Adam would dictate, but asking when the rest of their brethren (which is all humanity) would be killed as they were, ie. consumed by Him as by fire, His love.

In the previous chapter, it states these are those that are REDEEMED from among men. These are those (us, God willing) that take place in the first resurrection, loving not our lives (soulish life, ie. the life the soul thinks it has, which is really death, for to be carnally minded is death) unto the death (of the cross = 4 horns of altar).

Everything He did we walk out spiritually; if it were not so, and we were there already by virtue of Him doing it all, then we would have to take out all the feasts that we have partaken of spiritually already, and a great many scriptures, such as work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. He is the forerunner beyond the veil, meaning first.

First means there must be more to FOLLOW, not more already there. This body is the means of getting there, for without it there is no flesh to lay down, which is why they (without bodies) cannot be made perfect or complete. Now I know that we are already one with Him in Spirit, but it's the rest of our triune being that must come into union with Him in reality = Truth.

This is how He showed me we are to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, ie. we are by the power of His Spirit, making heaven and earth come into agreement/covenant/oneness.

Yes, obedience is better than sacrifice, but it takes both the old covenant (12 tribe names/natures = sacrifice of flesh) and the new (12 apostles names/natures = obedience of Spirit) to produce the new DAY, the DAY OF THE LORD, the day of no part darkness. Halleluyah! Blessings...

[micah7:9]

Where may I ask, do you get this mateiral?  :mshock:

[WhiteWings]

Where may I ask, do you get this mateiral?  :mshock:

I'll post what He gave me on a "day" in a sec....Blessings...

[WhiteWings]

The four parts are mind, will, emotions and desires. When He said He would call them out of the four corners of the earth,

Is there a relation with this verse?
^KJVRev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

This is also why there were 4 watches in night, which were composed of 3 hours each, so 3 times 4 = 12, the twelve hours of darkness. So there are 4 parts to the nighttime/darkness of our souls.

^KJVMar 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
=> Change of guard after a 3 hour watch

[Cardinal]

Where may I ask, do you get this mateiral?  :mshock:

:cloud9: I got it from Him and the Hebrew meaning of the words of text. Blessings...

[micah7:9]

Book, books, reference, tapes, CD, download? How'd you come about them and the words of text?

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: The only thing I ever use; KJV Nave's study bible, and a Strong's concordance. If I think I "see" (quickening or illumination of the Spirit) something, I will sometimes go to the Jewish sources to see if I can find the "corrupted" version they believe. Everything has been corrupted, if it didn't come directly from the Holy Spirit, so when the Spirit gives you something, you can find the corrupted version SOMEWHERE.

The reason being, the soul is a mimic, of what the Spirit does. So it is possible to "see" something that is corrupted, and glean spiritual truth from it, by knowing some of the basic precepts that were corrupted. A precept is like the water (Spirit) "hidden" in the rock (letter). It must be opened up to you by the Spirit for you to see it. This is why He's our teacher, for one.

He lowered Himself into this corruption, which is why He said "we/Adam" could eat of ALL the trees (men are trees) in the garden, except the one (carnal mind), because He has hidden riches in His pavillions (same word as tabernacles, we ARE the tabernacle) and has hidden secrets in the darkness (souls).

This is also why it says the wealth of the wicked (soul) is held up for the just (Spirit of Christ/mind of Christ in us that gives us His righteousness). Man filtering that scripture through soulish greed, thought it meant natural riches of gold, silver and jewels,  and not the riches which be in Christ.

The feast of TABERNACLES, is the "distilling" of these secrets out of the darkness they have been hidden in, the translating out of the kingdom of darkness (carnal minds) and into the kingdom of light (mind of Christ). This is the new wine of the Kingdom. This is why it says a translator is one in 10,000. He comes with 10,000 of His saints, and 10,000 is 1000 (perfect day) X 10 (completion). Blessings...

[Cardinal]

The four parts are mind, will, emotions and desires. When He said He would call them out of the four corners of the earth,

Is there a relation with this verse?
^KJVRev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

This is also why there were 4 watches in night, which were composed of 3 hours each, so 3 times 4 = 12, the twelve hours of darkness. So there are 4 parts to the nighttime/darkness of our souls.

^KJVMar 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
=> Change of guard after a 3 hour watch

:cloud9: Weird. I lost another post to the twilight zone, because I already replied to this. WW, have you got any idea why the page I'm typing on would jerk as I type making it hard to read what I'm typing? It just started this; I downloaded IE8 today and don't know if that's it, or what?

Anyway, I'm sure it does connect, but no light on it as of yet. However, if you look at what was said about the cock crowing, it likely was in the 4 watch of the night, the desires. The desire of the soul/woman must be turned towards her Husband exclusively, as He said to Eve/soul in Genesis. Everything He does is repeating the original pattern only with different results thanks to Christ. Blessings...

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: Weird. I lost another post to the twilight zone, because I already replied to this. WW, have you got any idea why the page I'm typing on would jerk as I type making it hard to read what I'm typing? It just started this; I downloaded IE8 today and don't know if that's it, or what?

I'm typing this in IE8 especially for you. Never use it otherwise.
Anyway I have had the same problem.
Switch on compatiblity mode and it's fixed.
Just right of where you type the Tentmaker adress is a little button. Press it and it should change into a torn piece of paper.


You can also directly enter the www.tentmaker.org URL in IE8
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/features/easier.aspx

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Thanks! It worked....

[micah7:9]

I sorry but I dont "see" what you say. I really do want to, I pray for seeing from all parts of the Body. But this foundation seems to stand on a soul being something other than a living creature. Being a living creature is the ignition to/for the "mind," the mind has will, emotions(that create desires) Jas 1:14  and each one is tempted, by his own desires being led away and enticed,
Jas 1:15  afterward the desire having conceived, doth give birth to sin, and the sin having been perfected, doth bring forth death.
If the body is dead-mûth-nekros it does not have the ability to have its own desires; for the dead no not anything (Ecc.9:5)
I looked up "elder" and "elders" and found no reference to "rays." Man was made from the dust of the "ground" not the earth(I feel that is important, God did not curse the earth in Gen. 3:17.) As far as thy kingdom come "in earth as it is in heaven" (Matt.) Luke says just the opposite. I hope my voice is not unpleasant, I do not mean to be and I hope that what you see, I will see, it is my prayer.
I wonder just how long is a 1,000 yrs?
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Hi Micah.....I looked up the Hebrew word for HORNS, as horns of the altar, and IT has the meanings included of rays and elders.

And again, the dead know not anything, does not mean they are unconsious, but rather they have lost the opportunity to know anything from the Spirit which is Christ, until He appears. There are dead walking now (let the dead bury the dead) that know not anything (of the Spirit).

The desire is rooted in the soul/Eve, not the body. The body is just the "vehicle" of the soul and spirit, that which expresses the "drive" of one or the other at different times.

You cannot in truth, deny the existance of the soul, the Word says the sword of the Spirit divides asunder the soul from the Spirit. If it's the same, why then does the Word need to divide it from the Spirit? Blessings...

Hebrews 4:12 KJV
For the word of God is quick , and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[micah7:9]

" Hi Micah.....I looked up the Hebrew word for HORNS, as horns of the altar, and IT has the meanings included of rays and elders."

"Interestingly, when you look up the word for elder, it runs into a meaning of "rays", as in rays of light, and horns, as above"
" If it's the same, why then does the Word need to divide it from the Spirit?"

I do not believe I ever said that the soul and the spirit were the same. The spirit is from Lord God, who gave it to the formed dust of the ground and man BECAME A LIVING CREATURE(SOUL.)

Hebrews 4:12 KJV
For the word of God is quick , and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.  And it DOES divide.
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[micah7:9]

Back to the day....If I have read correctly Jo.11:9 states that a day is 12 hours. With this in mind I must wonder just how long is a 1,000 years?
Should we go by 24 hours being a day then 1,000 yrs would be thus, if we go by 12 hrs being a day would we have to double thus?? I am very bad in math, Im bad in arithmetic!
So, Just how long would a thousand years be?
2Pe 3:8  And this one thing let not be unobserved by you, beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day;
The word "is" is an option in some translations, but I feel "as" is sufficent to make point.
Along time ago I was given a list of how numbers are important in study 1 beginning, 6, man/flesh, 11 confusion, 12 God's devine order, 50 pentcoste, 300 complete deliverence(ark measurements), etc.  Has anyone info on what 1,000 represents?
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Beloved Servant]

Just sharing, but I've come to know, from what I've read over the years, the number 1000 as divine completeness / the Fathers possession and glory.