Is Amillennialism Incompatible with a Universalist Interpretation of Scripture?

Started by Isidore, May 02, 2013, 08:47:10 PM

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Isidore

Universalists argue that the original words used in passages the seem (in English) to teach unending punishment actually have more to do with a coming age or ages, but most Christians (and even most universalists) seem to be amillennialists.

According to the amillennialist view, aren't there only two ages--the present Church age (interpreted as a spiritual millennium), and the future unending age?

Doesn't that teaching logically lead to the conclusion that the punishment of the (unending) age to come is endless?

Wouldn't it lead to the conclusion that the coming (last, and unending) age (when saints are to reign, and sinners are to weep and gnash their teeth) is the "age of ages" (the greatest of all ages)?

Where does this (amillennialist) view of the future leave any room for coming finite ages of temporal punishment?

BWST

I dont have the answers, but am hoping UR does not conflict with the amil view of last things.  It sure seems to fit the scriptures better than the other options discussed, including the partial preterist postmil ideas.  It doesnt seem at first glance that removing hell from the senario will cause an issue - but I'm partial to the idea that God can draw and save folks pretty quick either just before or just after His coming.  Then again, I dont understand this idea of two future ages - I was understanding Paul to talk of this wicked age, and the age to come.  I got some learning ahead of me.

WhiteWings

There isn't a fixed UR view on it AFAIK. Some believe in a literal "end times" others think it's all spiritual.
Some think it's the future while others think it happened in 70AD when the Temple was burned down.
UR isn't a doctrine like other in which the leaders lay down all sort of rules and fixed believes.

Some info about ages. As said not the only view: http://home.online.nl/spamfree/ShepherdsVoice/index.html?page=all_about_eons.htm

QuoteDoesn't that teaching logically lead to the conclusion that the punishment of the (unending) age to come is endless?

Wouldn't it lead to the conclusion that the coming (last, and unending) age (when saints are to reign, and sinners are to weep and gnash their teeth) is the "age of ages" (the greatest of all ages)?
It doesn't have to mean the age of blessing and the age of punishment are of equal duration.
So the famous Matt verse about sheep and goat basically says:
The sheep go into a glorious period of undefined length.
The goats go into a correction period of undefined length.
It's like saying apostles A, B and C died at old age. Apostle A was 88 years old when he died. Does that mean they all died at 88 years old?

Also keep in mind the goats get corrected. When correction is done their bad time ends.
Luke 12:48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

See, that verse tells us 2 things. Not all get the same correction. And it's limited.
40 is the max.
Deuteronomy 25:1-3 - "If there is a dispute between men and they come into court and the judges decide between them, acquitting the innocent and condemning the guilty, then if the guilty man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall cause him to lie down and be beaten in his presence with a number of stripes in proportion to his offense. Forty stripes may be given him, but not more, lest, if one should go on to beat him with more stripes than these, your brother be degraded in your sight."

But because Jews were very scared to miscount they never gave more than 39.
If someone died because of to many stripes the one who gave or ordered them comited murder and were put to death themselves.

This verse shows my 39 "theory".
In 2 Corinthians 11:24 the Apostle Paul says, "Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one." Of course, mathematically, that amounts to 39 but why not just say that rather than "forty lashes less one"?

Finally a bit background about fire, correction and purification: http://home.online.nl/spamfree/Lake/index.html
Again something not all will agree with each and every detail but it gives you a few starting points to start your own study.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...